Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

I think they missed a trick with Cleghanebowl.
The hound should have removed his brother's living dead head so he could torment him forever.
It could have been a spin-off sitcom as well.
"Two brothers, one a hired killer, the other, a head in a bag. Hilarity ensues in 'Big Dog And The Head'"
 
lsd said:
You do know no actor will ever seriously say they hate anything they have been in if they want to work again.
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It happens!

Channing Tatum:
“I’ll be honest. I fecking hate that movie,” Tatum said of the live-action “G.I. Joe” adaptation on Howard Stern’s radio show. “I was pushed into doing it. The script wasn’t any good."

George Clooney on his role as Batman:
“With hindsight it’s easy to look back at this and go ‘Woah, that was really shit and I was really bad in it.'”

James Franco:
“‘Your Highness’? That movie sucks,” Franco bluntly told GQ. “You can’t get around that.”

Sally Field (Spiderman 2):
"It’s really hard to find a three-dimensional character in it, and you work it as much as you can, but you can’t put 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag.”

Ben Affleck:
"I hate Daredevil so much"

Halle Berry:
"First of all, I want to thank Warner Bros. Thank you for putting me in a piece of sh*t, god-awful movie. You know, it was just what my career needed, you know? I was at the top, and then Catwoman just plummeted me to the bottom.”
 
The big actors are probably set for life from the show so might not be afraid of speaking out, that's even if they have any grievances.
 
duffer said:
It happens!

Channing Tatum:
“I’ll be honest. I fecking hate that movie,” Tatum said of the live-action “G.I. Joe” adaptation on Howard Stern’s radio show. “I was pushed into doing it. The script wasn’t any good."

George Clooney on his role as Batman:
“With hindsight it’s easy to look back at this and go ‘Woah, that was really shit and I was really bad in it.'”

James Franco:
“‘Your Highness’? That movie sucks,” Franco bluntly told GQ. “You can’t get around that.”

Sally Field (Spiderman 2):
"It’s really hard to find a three-dimensional character in it, and you work it as much as you can, but you can’t put 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag.”

Ben Affleck:
"I hate Daredevil so much"

Halle Berry:
"First of all, I want to thank Warner Bros. Thank you for putting me in a piece of sh*t, god-awful movie. You know, it was just what my career needed, you know? I was at the top, and then Catwoman just plummeted me to the bottom.”
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Yeah huge film stars years later when it cant hurt them
 
duffer said:
It happens!

Channing Tatum:
“I’ll be honest. I fecking hate that movie,” Tatum said of the live-action “G.I. Joe” adaptation on Howard Stern’s radio show. “I was pushed into doing it. The script wasn’t any good."

George Clooney on his role as Batman:
“With hindsight it’s easy to look back at this and go ‘Woah, that was really shit and I was really bad in it.'”

James Franco:
“‘Your Highness’? That movie sucks,” Franco bluntly told GQ. “You can’t get around that.”

Sally Field (Spiderman 2):
"It’s really hard to find a three-dimensional character in it, and you work it as much as you can, but you can’t put 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag.”

Ben Affleck:
"I hate Daredevil so much"

Halle Berry:
"First of all, I want to thank Warner Bros. Thank you for putting me in a piece of sh*t, god-awful movie. You know, it was just what my career needed, you know? I was at the top, and then Catwoman just plummeted me to the bottom.”
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These are all examples of some seriously super flop roles/films.

GoT is anticlimatic and a few notches down from it's best levels, sure. But it's still very entertaining.
 
Kapardin said:
True, she is a tyrant, but she wasn't the type who wanted her subjects dead or someone who wanted to pillage and take away their wealth. She wanted them alive, prosperous and accepting of her authority over them.

So the point was when the city surrended to her, there was no need for her to burn the people alive since she had got what she wanted.
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Exactly. Her burning the city alive isn’t the problem. It’s the cheap way they went about showing it happening.

If she was losing the battle altogether, the Lannisters were refusing to surrender, or perhaps Rhaegal were still alive and had only just been killed by a rail gun just now and The Mountain was disco dancing with an unconscious Missandei at the top of the Red Keep, then you at least get some incentive for a turn this dark.
 
Kapardin said:
Except Dany wasn't someone interested in pillaging and murdering like any common tyrant until the previous episode, so your sarcasm doesn't work. She wanted absolute subjugation/obedience and got it when they surrendered. Her becoming the Mad Queen was quite understandable, but there is no justification for the rushed way they went about it.
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Her descent was foreshadowed far more in both books and show than Alexander the Great's massacre of Persepolis so its actually quite analogous.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:


21 seconds in

The actors/actresses all fecking hate it :lol:.
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I'm not surprised. They've invested ten years of their careers in this - people like Emilia and Kit especially will have turned down various job offers because the filming would've clashed with this - they've been away from home for months on end each year, done all of the press tours and interviews which are just monotonous days after days of saying and doing the same things. And at the end of it all the show runners - the people who have been "leading" them all these years gave them some shaky plotting in Season 7 and then delivered a complete car crash of a Season 8, shown zero to no enthusiasm, and tarnished the reputation of a show that the cast and production teams have given their lives to. All because "hey feck you guys we've got Star Wars to look forward to, hopefully your stock isn't too badly damaged by the shit show we've made hahahaha *snort*"
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Yeah, I also feel the writers could have done better with Alexander the Great pillaging, plundering and burning the city of Persepolis. I mean he was educated by Aristotle after all and they easily could have just conquered and looted as they did to other cities with their alleged honor but they murdered most all the innocent men including old ones and young, enslaved and raped most of the women and then burned the entire city to the ground. Really out of character for Alexander compared to how he was written at other points in his story arc.
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The guy did wipe Thebes off the map long before he burnt Persepolis to the ground in a supposed revenge for what Persia did to Greece but I digress from GoT :D

Will be glad when the show is over now. Don't think I've ever seen a show fall so spectacularly in one season, or at the least polarise it's fan base so much.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm not surprised. They've invested ten years of their careers in this - people like Emilia and Kit especially will have turned down various job offers because the filming would've clashed with this - they've been away from home for months on end each year, done all of the press tours and interviews which are just monotonous days after days of saying and doing the same things. And at the end of it all the show runners - the people who have been "leading" them all these years gave them some shaky plotting in Season 7 and then delivered a complete car crash of a Season 8, shown zero to no enthusiasm, and tarnished the reputation of a show that the cast and production teams have given their lives to. All because "hey feck you guys we've got Star Wars to look forward to, hopefully your stock isn't too badly damaged by the shit show we've made hahahaha *snort*"
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Emilia Clarke has been terrible up until this point. It's only the last few episodes where the writing has really shat the bed that she's come out of it loooking like she might actually be able to act. It would be ironic if it damaged her career after she learned to do something other than speak loudly and raise her eyebrows.
 
I genuinely don't think it's an overreaction to say that D&D have fecked the legacy of GoT. Shows have dived off a cliff like this before; Dexter and Lost to name two. The difference, however, is that both of those shows were big to begin with but people lost interest at time went on. GoT grew and grew into the thing it is now, which is something more than just a show - it's a fecking institution. When you have something this big, based on what really can only be described as the epic of our generation, expect people to be royally pissed off when you take that material and turn it into one of the identical ten dozen or so disposal TV dramas. If the show didn't have the budget it has all you would be left with is a weak plot that a show even like Blind Spot matches. It's just infuriating. Like being trained by Usain Bolt for five years on how to win your school sports day 100m, being handed £1000s worth of gear, and shooting yourself in the head 10m from the finish line.
 
This is from 2016:


Daenerys is effectively her father (genetically speaking).

Her having a sudden psychotic break (like Joanna of Castile) following the loss of her best friend, her father figure, her army, her lover doesn't warrant 'dvelopment' as such. If you have a predisposition to psychosis, it can happen at any time.

It's a sudden snap because it was a sudden snap.

Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's not a vaild plot point.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Emilia Clarke has been terrible up until this point. It's only the last few episodes where the writing has really shat the bed that she's come out of it loooking like she might actually be able to act. It would be ironic if it damaged her career after she learned to do something other than speak loudly and raise her eyebrows.
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In a just world acting talent would be more important than your popularity, but we live in a world where Adam Sandler would rather make Billy Madison copies than films like Punch-Drunk Love.

But, yeah even Kit has tried to do better this season. They probably all think "shit, we need to stand out because the writing surely isn't going to help us this year"
 
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Dante said:
This is from 2016:


Daenerys is effectively her father (genetically speaking).

Her having a sudden psychotic break (like Joanna of Castile) following the loss of her best friend, her father figure, her army, her lover doesn't warrant 'dvelopment' as such. If you have a predisposition to psychosis, it can happen at any time.

It's a sudden snap because it was a sudden snap.

Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's not a vaild plot point.
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It's definitely a valid plot - I'd be the first person to say feck off to anyone who says it shouldn't have happened. Jaime being addicted to Cersei and going back to her is also believable. But the problem is that the show runners were given the chance to make more episodes to lead up to these but said "nah, we can finish it in 6 episodes". The complete rush job proves otherwise.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
It's definitely a valid plot - I'd be the first person to say feck off to anyone who says it shouldn't have happened. Jaime being addicted to Cersei and going back to her is also believable. But the problem is that the show runners were given the chance to make more episodes to lead up to these but said "nah, we can finish it in 6 episodes". The complete rush job proves otherwise.
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It used to be a TV show. Now it's a movie franchise with feature length episodes. The medium has changed.

When Deadwood releases its movie, it too will have a shift in pacing from the series.
 
Dante said:
It used to be a TV show. Now it's a movie franchise with feature length episodes. The medium has changed.

When Deadwood releases its movie, it too will have a shift in pacing from the series.
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Oh come off it. Deadwood is a movie because HBO offered them a movie ten years after the original run. GoT was pitched as a ten part episodic TV show, a book a season, until D&D shifted the goalposts.

Why is it rushed? Because the seasons after shortened. That was a self inflicted wound by the show runners so they only have themselves to blame.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Emilia Clarke has been terrible up until this point. It's only the last few episodes where the writing has really shat the bed that she's come out of it loooking like she might actually be able to act. It would be ironic if it damaged her career after she learned to do something other than speak loudly and raise her eyebrows.
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Her wages per episode is one of the reasons it was cut to 6 this season so that and the fact she isn't a good actress means I dont feel too sorry for her .
 
Mr Pigeon said:
It's definitely a valid plot - I'd be the first person to say feck off to anyone who says it shouldn't have happened. Jaime being addicted to Cersei and going back to her is also believable. But the problem is that the show runners were given the chance to make more episodes to lead up to these but said "nah, we can finish it in 6 episodes". The complete rush job proves otherwise.
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Those plot points are all believable, even predictable. Even Arya killing the Nice King is.

They just went about a completely shit way of depicting it in a way that was emotionally engaging with viewers.
 
lsd said:
Her wages per episode is one of the reasons it was cut to 6 this season so that and the fact she isn't a good actress means I dont feel too sorry for her .
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Goes back to what Mr Pigeon said about a just world. Someone so bad at acting getting paid that much to be bad at acting. The mind boggles. I just find the irony of it finally having a negative impact on her coming about when she actually put in a half decent performance amusing.

Anyone mentioning Sanchez is getting shot into the sun at night.
 
If you added up the runtime of this season's episodes, I bet there wouldn't be that much difference from previous seasons. All this talk about rushing is probably a bit overstated...
 
lsd said:
Her wages per episode is one of the reasons it was cut to 6 this season so that and the fact she isn't a good actress means I dont feel too sorry for her .
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Hasn't it been said that HBO would have done 9 full seasons? How's that tie in with people's wages ending the show early?

I'm convinced it's D&D wanting out to do other stuff but still wanting to end it on their terms.

Anyway, that petition has passed one million.
 
Shane88 said:
Hasn't it been said that HBO would have done 9 full seasons? How's that tie in with people's wages ending the show early?

I'm convinced it's D&D wanting out to do other stuff but still wanting to end it on their terms.

Anyway, that petition has passed one million.
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The show makes HBO millions, the decision was 100% D&D's. The casts wages were a function of how much money the show made.
 
Shane88 said:
Hasn't it been said that HBO would have done 9 full seasons? How's that tie in with people's wages ending the show early?

I'm convinced it's D&D wanting out to do other stuff but still wanting to end it on their terms.

Anyway, that petition has passed one million.
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That petition and anyone who signed is pathetic . People need to get a grip starting petitions for every little thing annoys them .
 
Yeah it's been an enjoyable season and even more so with the meltdowns going on off screen
 
I thought it was better than most of you, it seems. While I was somewhat taken aback by Daenery’s decision to burn thousands alive, her being a bit of a cnut had been forecasted numerous times. I do think that the supposed King in the North should grow some balls, though.

Cersei’s end was also a little disappointing.

Oh, and it was also a little weird seeing Arya suddenly being a woman with Gendry. She still looks like she’s 12.
 
afrocentricity said:
If you added up the runtime of this season's episodes, I bet there wouldn't be that much difference from previous seasons. All this talk about rushing is probably a bit overstated...
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It’s clearly rushed, and the complaints don’t really have anything to do with the duration and number of episodes. The show established a certain pace and that creates a certain expectation. The first two episodes of the season were more in keeping with how the show traditionally operated, and the last two have been jarring in comparison.
 
sherrinford said:
It’s clearly rushed, and the complaints don’t really have anything to do with the duration and number of episodes. The show established a certain pace and that creates a certain expectation. The first two episodes of the season were more in keeping with how the show traditionally operated, and the last two have been jarring in comparison.
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Loads of people have mentioned the number of episodes :confused:

Anyway, not going to argue just making a point....
 
The choice to kick off the season with two extremely slow episodes has looked more and more bizarre every week.

It's not that I didn't enjoy those episodes (I kind of did, they were well acted with some decent dialogue here in there, although at times very fanservicey) but when you have six episodes to finish a story with loads of plot points to get through, it's probably not a good idea to waste 1/3 of your time on people chatting in a castle. Those kind of episodes are great when you have seasons to go, but not when you're pushed for time and as we see now, forced to wrap up plot lines with no time at all.

I get you can't just be thrown straight in to a great big battle, but I absolutely feel like basically everything they did in those first two episodes could have been condensed in to the first one. Very little was actually advanced in that time and then hey presto, you have 4 episodes to write the battle of the living and the dead, the battle against cersei and her armies and the fall of Daenerys. Obviously it's all going to be rushed and silly with zero pacing (that was inevitable regardless) so why compound that by spending 2 episodes pissing about?
 
afrocentricity said:
Loads of people have mentioned the number of episodes :confused:

Anyway, not going to argue just making a point....
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Someone earlier in the thread posted something talking about how the runtime for an episode was important as to why it still feels rushed. If you can find it, it's interesting reading.

But also, it was rushed to an end point when they announced the last 2 seasons. There was just too much to ever end in that time.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see how they could ever end it well to please most people anyway. I don't think even the books (if they ever come out) will manage that. But there is at least merit to the rushed argument.
 
afrocentricity said:
Loads of people have mentioned the number of episodes :confused:

Anyway, not going to argue just making a point....
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Folk have, yes, because they are searching for reasons why it has been rushed.

You seemed to be suggesting that folk are overstating how hurried this has been, simply because the episodes are longer and there’s probably not much difference to the standard ten-episode season.

The problem however(well, a part of it), lies with how quickly they are scrambling through the plot. A standard ten-episode season wouldn’t have been adequate for the story left to tell.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
The choice to kick off the season with two extremely slow episodes has looked more and more bizarre every week.

It's not that I didn't enjoy those episodes (I kind of did, they were well acted with some decent dialogue here in there, although at times very fanservicey) but when you have six episodes to finish a story with loads of plot points to get through, it's probably not a good idea to waste 1/3 of your time on people chatting in a castle. Those kind of episodes are great when you have seasons to go, but not when you're pushed for time and as we see now, forced to wrap up plot lines with no time at all.

I get you can't just be thrown straight in to a great big battle, but I absolutely feel like basically everything they did in those first two episodes could have been condensed in to the first one. Very little was actually advanced in that time and then hey presto, you have 4 episodes to write the battle of the living and the dead, the battle against cersei and her armies and the fall of Daenerys. Obviously it's all going to be rushed and silly with zero pacing (that was inevitable regardless) so why compound that by spending 2 episodes pissing about?
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1 episode for Team Living vs Team Dead, 1 episode for Team Dragon vs King's Landing.

They were never going to have a battle stretch across multiple episodes. That would have ruined the momentum. And then each one was 80 minutes long, which is pretty much the limit for an action sequence.

That 2 battle episodes and 4 political episodes. More or less what's to be expected in the final 400 minutes of a 4200 minute long story. The pace always picks up at the end of any fantasy/sci-fi narrative.
 
Redlambs said:
Someone earlier in the thread posted something talking about how the runtime for an episode was important as to why it still feels rushed. If you can find it, it's interesting reading.

But also, it was rushed to an end point when they announced the last 2 seasons. There was just too much to ever end in that time.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see how they could ever end it well to please most people anyway. I don't think even the books (if they ever come out) will manage that. But there is at least merit to the rushed argument.
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Well I'm looking forward to it. I'll be coming here after to see the meltdowns too...

sherrinford said:
Folk have, yes, because they are searching for reasons why it has been rushed.

You seemed to be suggesting that folk are overstating how hurried this has been, simply because the episodes are longer and there’s probably not much difference to the standard ten-episode season.

The problem however(well, a part of it), lies with how quickly they are scrambling through the plot. A standard ten-episode season wouldn’t have been adequate for the story left to tell.
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Yea, its been said a million times in this thread. Personally, if I didn't frequent this thread it wouldn't be my first thought (it still isn't).

I'm one of those that is fine with how the season has gone though...
 
afrocentricity said:
If you added up the runtime of this season's episodes, I bet there wouldn't be that much difference from previous seasons. All this talk about rushing is probably a bit overstated...
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It's still shorter, and it's to do with what that time is spent on. They've probably spent a grand total of ten minutes this season on reasons why Dany would fall into madness, which is about the same amount of time they've spent on Arya and Gendry exchanging looks before pushing rope.
 
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