Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

No you're right, that really did happen. With Theon. I bet D&D felt really smart when they wrote that one.

"The guy. Without a cock. Gets kicked in the cock. *sssnnnnNNNOOORRTTTT* And then. It doesn't hurt his cock. Because he hasn't got one. It's like he's been preparing his entire life for this moment."

"Yeah. Or it's ironic. You know? His weakness is like a strength now or something."

"Like rain on your wedding day?"

"......We got any more of those horse tranquilizers left?"

"No....yes!"

"IoI subverting my expectations there"
They were apparently huge fans of Hans Moleman’s ‘Man Getting Hit By Football’ winning the film festival in The Simpsons.
 
I wouldn't recommend the books at this point. They're good but there is supposed to be two left and they're never going to be finished plus we already know the ending more or less.

Pfft, 10 years on and still talking about books in the tv thread. For shame
 
Not a TV show, but Mass Effect 3's ending retroactively ruined the rest of the series for me.
So bad, that I didn't ever bother to replay them.


The books aren't overly brilliant anyway.

They start well enough but, very much like the show, you can feel the lack of an end goal for the characters and the overall boredom of the creator by the last one.

I am sad reading this. Dunno how to have my vengeance, maybe to say that Deus Ex sucks (but then I love that game).
 
Just turned onto an ep of game of thrones there, the part where daenerys saves the guys in the frozen bit, Jon snow does absolutely feck all fighting till they're supposed to get on the dragon then decided to start slashing walkers one by one getting further away from the dragon for absolutely no feckin reason. He really was a joke character.
 
Just turned onto an ep of game of thrones there, the part where daenerys saves the guys in the frozen bit, Jon snow does absolutely feck all fighting till they're supposed to get on the dragon then decided to start slashing walkers one by one getting further away from the dragon for absolutely no feckin reason. He really was a joke character.

It was basically his fault that one of Dany's dragons got sniped for being such a dumbass. They basically turned him into the guy with a heart of gold but no brains.
 
It was basically his fault that one of Dany's dragons got sniped for being such a dumbass. They basically turned him into the guy with a heart of gold but no brains.

They turned him into some naive muppet who was a brilliant fighter but completely stupid when it came to military tactics.

But obviously they had to invent some bullshit way to make a dragon die and for Jon Snow to be split up with the others. So instead of thinking the scenario through and come up with a semi decent explanation they instead let Jon charge into thousands of the dead for no reason? :lol:
 
It was basically his fault that one of Dany's dragons got sniped for being such a dumbass. They basically turned him into the guy with a heart of gold but no brains.

Dumbing down of characters was a problem in GOT from a start. Jon Snow suffers from that more than most.
 
They turned him into some naive muppet who was a brilliant fighter but completely stupid when it came to military tactics.

But obviously they had to invent some bullshit way to make a dragon die and for Jon Snow to be split up with the others. So instead of thinking the scenario through and come up with a semi decent explanation they instead let Jon charge into thousands of the dead for no reason? :lol:

And he charges Ramseys army single-handedly in the battle of the bastards that got most of his men killed and would have gotten them all killed if Littlefinger hadn't come to the rescue with knights of the vale. He is like literally the worst military leader in the history of westeros.

He couldn't keep his mouth shut about his heritage either when there was an extremely good reason why Ned Stark kept it a secret his entire life. Since "he don't wan it", he should just shut up about it.
In the books he actually described as one of the far more intelligent kids of Ned Stark and his appearance is far more lean and nimble. Show Jon is much different than the book Jon
 
Just turned onto an ep of game of thrones there, the part where daenerys saves the guys in the frozen bit, Jon snow does absolutely feck all fighting till they're supposed to get on the dragon then decided to start slashing walkers one by one getting further away from the dragon for absolutely no feckin reason. He really was a joke character.

So much weirdness in that episode. Concept of time, convenient timing of the Hound throwing that rock on the frozen water and Dany as if by magic turning up a few minutes later, ice king turning into a javelin and darts world champion, Jon being a dumbass (actually that was the only thing that made sense in the episode, he always was a dumb feck), ice gang not only having chains at their disposal but also being able to effortlessly put those around the body of a dragon underwater and pull it out of the water, Benjen saying "there's no time to jump on the horse" when in reality there was more than enough time for that so basically he ended up dying for no reason (he actually had far less time when he rescued Bran and Meera), Dany and co. just disappearing completely thinking the ice king was going to hurl spears at them from miles away, why didn't she come back to save Jon?

Almost forgot to mention that the whole mission was a farce from the beginning. They assembled a suicide squad just so they could convince... Cersei. Genius work by Tyrion.

The likes of Jon and Tyrion were good side characters in the first few seasons. They should have either remained side characters or got killed off as soon as they started becoming main characters.
 
Or had better writers who didn't dumb them down

Tyrion joining with Dany should have been so much better. His convos with varys could have been better after he left KL.

Ramsay vs night king would have been a better battle
Although if Ramsay had won, the NK would never have had a dragon to tear down the wall ...
 
Just turned onto an ep of game of thrones there, the part where daenerys saves the guys in the frozen bit, Jon snow does absolutely feck all fighting till they're supposed to get on the dragon then decided to start slashing walkers one by one getting further away from the dragon for absolutely no feckin reason. He really was a joke character.
Btw I think I enjoy this episode as a one off spectacle

However knowing what happens after makes this probably one of the worst episodes in the show.
I would probably defend this episode now if the parts that came after were more like spoils of war episode rather than more like this one

There was a lot of stupidity in this episode but I really thought this was a short cut episode to advance things. Instead of a one off way to get from a to be, this became the norm.
 
 
Weird this just popped back up in time. I just finished rewatching GoT for the first time since I've watched the show. I didn't realise how insanely packed S4 was till now. Its officially the best single season in TV history. Just wow. Then. I got to S8 and you know what, I actually really like the winterfell battle. It was actually kinda epic and the music playing when the NK is walking thought the castle while everyone is fighting for their lives was a great scene. Though Jon not fighting him Directly still annoys me. And the last 2 episodes, while I dont like any of the decisions whatsoever, it was a fun watch at least. The show hurts a bit less now that I've rewatched it.

And yes Charles Dance, I signed that damn petition too. In fact if they could just tweak a few scenes differently. It would actually fixed itself. Just have to redo the last episode and you've somewhat made it more bearable.
 
Let it die. It already is anyway, nobody even talks about it anymore.

Stuff like Breaking Bad, The Wire has endured. GoT disappeared from everyone's minds after a month.
 
Season 4 is easily the best season, imo.

Tywin has got to be one of the best characters in television. I was never bored when he was on screen.
 
Let it die. It already is anyway, nobody even talks about it anymore.

Stuff like Breaking Bad, The Wire has endured. GoT disappeared from everyone's minds after a month.

Not quite. Although I dont know who you consider as everyone.
 
Weird this just popped back up in time. I just finished rewatching GoT for the first time since I've watched the show. I didn't realise how insanely packed S4 was till now. Its officially the best single season in TV history. Just wow. Then. I got to S8 and you know what, I actually really like the winterfell battle. It was actually kinda epic and the music playing when the NK is walking thought the castle while everyone is fighting for their lives was a great scene. Though Jon not fighting him Directly still annoys me. And the last 2 episodes, while I dont like any of the decisions whatsoever, it was a fun watch at least. The show hurts a bit less now that I've rewatched it.

And yes Charles Dance, I signed that damn petition too. In fact if they could just tweak a few scenes differently. It would actually fixed itself. Just have to redo the last episode and you've somewhat made it more bearable.
If they rewrote even the last 4 episodes I would consider a whole rewatch of them all.
 
If they rewrote even the last 4 episodes I would consider a whole rewatch of them all.
I mean what I would add scenes to just fix it a bit is. In the yard when NK is going for bran, he wargs into the dragon that was holding Jon off, and fly the dragon over the yard burning the walkers and the NK's bodyguards, whatever you call them. That gives jon a chance to actually fight him and we see the showdown we've waiting 8 seasons for. And Arya still goes in for the kill before the NK kills jon.

Then instead of Dany pulling a reverse Uno card on everyone even after she's fecking already won. Cersei fires a Skorpian that was hidden in the Wall of Kings landing (Look at the intro song to that episode, you see the Skorpian under the throne pulling up and aiming at the dragon, that's what I thought was going to happen). So that fires toward her but misses Dany but knocks her off Drogon. Drogon then sees dany knocked out on the floor so he gets pissed and then its Drogon burning everything rather then Dany. Dany, later after that episode uses the same Skorpian to kill Drogon because she knows full well that he cant live in that world she wants. So yeah that would be bittersweet at least. Then I guess just change a few scenes in the last 2 episode. I know its pointless going on about it because it might never happen. But I enjoy talking about it still :D
 
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Season 4 is easily the best season, imo.

Tywin has got to be one of the best characters in television. I was never bored when he was on screen.
It's pretty class. I thought the episodes in The House of Black And White flagged a bit until the fight between Arya and The Waif
 
Let it die. It already is anyway, nobody even talks about it anymore.

Stuff like Breaking Bad, The Wire has endured. GoT disappeared from everyone's minds after a month.
It really hasn't if it's still a highly watched show on Sky.

My wife never saw the original and is watching it from the start. I'll bet it's garnered a good few new viewers since the repeat started
 
Weird this just popped back up in time. I just finished rewatching GoT for the first time since I've watched the show. I didn't realise how insanely packed S4 was till now. Its officially the best single season in TV history. Just wow. Then. I got to S8 and you know what, I actually really like the winterfell battle. It was actually kinda epic and the music playing when the NK is walking thought the castle while everyone is fighting for their lives was a great scene. Though Jon not fighting him Directly still annoys me. And the last 2 episodes, while I dont like any of the decisions whatsoever, it was a fun watch at least. The show hurts a bit less now that I've rewatched it.

And yes Charles Dance, I signed that damn petition too. In fact if they could just tweak a few scenes differently. It would actually fixed itself. Just have to redo the last episode and you've somewhat made it more bearable.


Shame he wasn't on set at the time to tell them just how stupid the Committee scene was .

I notice how he and the actors who plays Jamie and Varys can be honest and say how dumb the last season was but a lot of the the younger actors are too worried about their career to admit it
 
It really hasn't if it's still a highly watched show on Sky.

My wife never saw the original and is watching it from the start. I'll bet it's garnered a good few new viewers since the repeat started


If it hasn't died yet snd it is dying it soon will . The vast majority of people who watched it were so disappointed with the ending they will never watch it again or talk about it being good
 
It's pretty class. I thought the episodes in The House of Black And White flagged a bit until the fight between Arya and The Waif

That's season 5 :smirk:

Season 4: The Purple Wedding, Tyrion's Trial, The Mountain vs The Viper, The Night's Watch vs The Wildlings, Tyrion vs Tywin, Brienne vs The Hound.
 
Shame he wasn't on set at the time to tell them just how stupid the Committee scene was .

I notice how he and the actors who plays Jamie and Varys can be honest and say how dumb the last season was but a lot of the the younger actors are too worried about their career to admit it
Honestly I'm very surprised Jon and Dany didnt say anything to D and D about that crap. Especially since they have all the power. They are probably more rich already to even worry about money a f5 get the show. Especially Kit. Hes still distraught about the show and Varys looked pissed at the table when he read the script hah. Easiest season to ever make and they did the opposite to every single scenario. Now D&D dont get the Disney money. The pricks.
 
That's season 5 :smirk:

Season 4: The Purple Wedding, Tyrion's Trial, The Mountain vs The Viper, The Night's Watch vs The Wildlings, Tyrion vs Tywin, Brienne vs The Hound.
That’s what I meant to add; season 5 flagged after the brilliance of 4
 
Weird this just popped back up in time. I just finished rewatching GoT for the first time since I've watched the show. I didn't realise how insanely packed S4 was till now. Its officially the best single season in TV history. Just wow. Then. I got to S8 and you know what, I actually really like the winterfell battle. It was actually kinda epic and the music playing when the NK is walking thought the castle while everyone is fighting for their lives was a great scene. Though Jon not fighting him Directly still annoys me. And the last 2 episodes, while I dont like any of the decisions whatsoever, it was a fun watch at least. The show hurts a bit less now that I've rewatched it.

And yes Charles Dance, I signed that damn petition too. In fact if they could just tweak a few scenes differently. It would actually fixed itself. Just have to redo the last episode and you've somewhat made it more bearable.
I always liked it as a spectacle. It was a cinematic masterpiece and to think this was done for TV is just mind blowing.

Also I've had bigger disappointments than season 8 of GoT. The last book in the Harry Potter series p'd me off so much that I never watched the last two films and I wish I never watched The Hobbit films a total travesty.
 
I always liked it as a spectacle. It was a cinematic masterpiece and to think this was done for TV is just mind blowing.

The episode itself was wonderfully produced, one of the most incredible bits of TV I can remember.

As part of a broader story though, it was a bit of a disappointment along with the rest of season 8, and probably season 7 as well.
 
Let it die. It already is anyway, nobody even talks about it anymore.

Stuff like Breaking Bad, The Wire has endured. GoT disappeared from everyone's minds after a month.
And yet here we are, talking about it...
 
I'm still struggling to get my head around that final season. And quite how they made it SO bad.

I watched them all after the show was already over and heard a lot about "don't watch the last season" - I thought 'okay the last season will be a let down, but it's not going to be as bad as people say'

Wow. Dreadful.

The show was fantastic, a few bum storylines. But very gripping. Then the last season, every loose end had the worst possible outcome.
 
Lots of utterly terrible tv doesn’t get a mention. Where’s the thread for Mystery Road for example?


Was that hyped as the best tv show ever ?

It's the same as Westwood which also got hyped up as the greatest show you will ever see yet turned out to be "Meh"

Thrones however was delivering for a while but then turned to complete garbage
 
Only because it was so bad
But that wasn't the claim made by the user I quoted. The claim was that it disappeared from everyone's minds, and yet here we are sharing links to articles where Charles Dance said he wasn't happy with the ending. It hasn't disappeared from everyone's minds at all. Fifteen months on and we're still having debates about it. Miriam Margoyles has been in the press this week talking about how she never watched the Harry Potter movies and only did it for the money. It's had basically zero coverage, except for Harry Potter subreddits and that, so does that mean Harry Potter's not culturally relevant? Of course not.

And that's without getting into the amount of complete idiots in American political commentary who've spent the week comparing Kamala Harris to Daenerys. And the amount of people who claimed 'Mad Woman' from Taylor Swift's new album was about Daenerys as well. The ending might have been shite for a lot of people but that doesn't mean it's been forgotten overnight like so many people continue to claim over a year after it finished. It was one of the most-watched shows during lockdown and it recently won some poll on Digital Spy for the title of "Best TV show of the century". People who hated the ending still complain about it.

Now that Digital Spy poll is obviously complete bollocks because there's no way GoT is the best TV show of the last 20 years, but the evidence is there in black and white that people still talk about the show (https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a33467683/best-tv-shows-of-21st-century-revealed/). Hell, Charles Dance only passed comment on season 8 because an interviewer felt the need to ask him about it - because GoT gets clicks and traffic, because people are still interested in debating it regardless of whether they liked it or not. That the last season was good/bad/average is neither here nor there, people still talk about it.