Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

Cina said:
What the feck? :lol:

Let's swap a far better player for a crapper player purely because the latter will add more balance to the team. Genius!
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Wouldn't say crapper player Cina they both are top players just think Bale is a better left winger. Nani is a more talented player no doubt imo but Bale would be better for the team at left wing as he would not look to cut inside ala Young and given to a lesser extent Nani. Therefore getting to a more dangerous position to deliver a cross. We all seen the difference in Nani when he went to right wing last season he was twice the player he was on the left, so what makes my opinion so hard for you to understand? Given the choice I would keep Nani and buy Bale but if we could have only one and we already have Valencia I would take Bale and I am a big fan of Nani as a player.
 
Dion said:
No, but look at Nani when he was Bale's age, then look at Bale now.
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Nani was around Bale's age when he started playing at a top level, from the Arsenal match to the end of the season. I don't think when you compare them side-by-side at their ages there's much of a difference. Bale hasn't actually been that consistently good. There were still times in Nani's inconsistent and frustrating years that he had brilliant games for us, they were just generally overlooked because of the infuriating ones.

When Nani was 20/21 I think he showed he was a more talented player than Bale showed at that age, he just didn't deliver in the talent until he was 22 or 23.

There's just no comparison, Nani is a mile ahead.
 
Lawman said:
Wouldn't say crapper player Cina they both are top players just think Bale is a better left winger. Nani is a more talented player no doubt imo but Bale would be better for the team at left wing as he would not look to cut inside ala Young and given to a lesser extent Nani. Therefore getting to a more dangerous position to deliver a cross. We all seen the difference in Nani when he went to right wing last season he was twice the player he was on the left, so what makes my opinion so hard for you to understand? Given the choice I would keep Nani and buy Bale but if we could have only one and we already have Valencia I would take Bale and I am a big fan of Nani as a player.
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Wait, so:

Nani is more talented than both players
Nani is better than Bale and Valencia on the right
Bale is better than Nani on left

Solution:

Bale and Valencia?

Also, Nani wasn't twice the player on the right, but I accept that's a popular opinion.
 
Cina said:
Nani was around Bale's age when he started playing at a top level, from the Arsenal match to the end of the season.
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He was about 6 months older. At the age Bale is now people were talking about selling Nani because Obertan looked like a better prospect. (I should add I didn't agree with those claims, it was idiotic, like the Lindegaard/De Gea debate, but it was happening)

Cina said:
I don't think when you compare them side-by-side at their ages there's much of a difference. Bale hasn't actually been that consistently good. There were still times in Nani's inconsistent and frustrating years that he had brilliant games for us, they were just generally overlooked because of the infuriating ones.
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No, the last two years for Bale are equivalent to Nani's first two at United, I'm sorry but Nani just wasn't anywhere near that level.

Cina said:
When Nani was 20/21 I think he showed he was a more talented player than Bale showed at that age, he just didn't deliver in the talent until he was 22 or 23.
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No, he didn't deliver on the talent until he was 23, which means Bale would still have until next season to start performing before you'd have a point, the fact he's been doing it for a year and a half now speaks volumes.

Cina said:
There's just no comparison, Nani is a mile ahead.
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Utter bollocks.
 
Hectic said:
Wait, so:

Nani is more talented than both players
Nani is better than Bale and Valencia on the right
Bale is better than Nani on left

Solution:

Bale and Valencia?

Also, Nani wasn't twice the player on the right, but I accept that's a popular opinion.
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Yep Nani is more talented than both.
Nani is better than Bale on the right, better than Valencia on the right no better in some games yes but Valencia is more consistent over a whole season imo.
Bale is better than Nani on the left yes.

Solution :

Bale on the left and Valencia on the right!

Also Nani was far better on the right, and hence why its a popular opinion.
 
Lawman said:
Wouldn't say crapper player Cina they both are top players just think Bale is a better left winger. Nani is a more talented player no doubt imo but Bale would be better for the team at left wing as he would not look to cut inside ala Young and given to a lesser extent Nani. Therefore getting to a more dangerous position to deliver a cross. We all seen the difference in Nani when he went to right wing last season he was twice the player he was on the left, so what makes my opinion so hard for you to understand? Given the choice I would keep Nani and buy Bale but if we could have only one and we already have Valencia I would take Bale and I am a big fan of Nani as a player.
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Surely you'd get rid of Valencia then seeing as Nani is better than him too?

Bale isn't a better left winger than Nani, he's just left footed, something we haven't had in a while. Nani not being going on the left is a bit of a facade really, something that people started to think because when he did breakthrough, it was on the right side of the pitch. He's had many great games on the left, quite a few this season too. It's strange why people think that because a left winger is left footed then he's more effective. Nani cuts in on the right just as much as he does on the left.
 
Good god, Nani and Valencia on the wings please.

Don't want the PG Tips chimp at Old Trafford.
 
People still just don't appreciate flair player over here. Nani is totally unique in our whole squad and he adds different dimension to the team. A mixture of valencia and nani or bale and nani is what we need.
 
Dion said:
He was about 6 months older. At the age Bale is now people were talking about selling Nani because Obertan looked like a better prospect. (I should add I didn't agree with those claims, it was idiotic, like the Lindegaard/De Gea debate, but it was happening)


No, the last two years for Bale are equivalent to Nani's first two at United, I'm sorry but Nani just wasn't anywhere near that level.


No, he didn't deliver on the talent until he was 23, which means Bale would still have until next season to start performing before you'd have a point, the fact he's been doing it for a year and a half now speaks volumes.


Utter bollocks.
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Sorry what? No they're not. What about the fact that Bale had been in the PL for a few years before that? The fact that Nani only just moved here from a Portugese league? Irrelevant?

Nani did not take until 23 to deliver his talent, he still did it in his first few years, just overly inconsistently, but myself and others noticed that and whilst others wanted rid of him we still wanted him here, why? Because the talent and performances WERE there.

Bale had around 5 or 6 really good games last season, a good early season spell, he's been rather poor since the New Year, suddenly he has a good game yesterday against Swansea and he's the shit again, and people think swapping Nani for him would be a good idea.

"Utter bollocks". Oh Dion, acting the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime as always.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Debatable. I prefer Valencia.
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Well fair enough, I can see why people do. I certainly don't, but Valencia is miles more consistent than Bale in the league and has been for 2 and a half seasons so it's at least a fair comparison to make.

An exhausted argument though, I shouldn't have brought it up.
 
Cina said:
Surely you'd get rid of Valencia then seeing as Nani is better than him too?

Bale isn't a better left winger than Nani, he's just left footed, something we haven't had in a while. Nani not being going on the left is a bit of a facade really, something that people started to think because when he did breakthrough, it was on the right side of the pitch. He's had many great games on the left, quite a few this season too. It's strange why people think that because a left winger is left footed then he's more effective. Nani cuts in on the right just as much as he does on the left.
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No its not strange if your a left winger you get to the byeline and cross the ball from a more dangerous position. I don't think Bale is just better cause he's left footed. I think Bale is on par with Nani in terms of the bracket of player both of them are (both top players). But cause he is left footed and takes men on the outside he'd be a better fit than Nani on the left for us.
 
Lawman said:
Yep Nani is more talented than both.
Nani is better than Bale on the right, better than Valencia on the right no better in some games yes but Valencia is more consistent over a whole season imo.
Bale is better than Nani on the left yes.

Solution :

Bale on the left and Valencia on the right!
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Of course!
 
Cina said:
Well fair enough, I can see why people do. I certainly don't, but Valencia is miles more consistent than Bale in the league and has been for 2 and a half seasons so it's at least a fair comparison to make.

An exhausted argument though, I shouldn't have brought it up.
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I will take both Valencia and Nani over Bale, though.

I think Bale is an injury away from becoming an average player.
 
Cina said:
Of course!
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Im losing the will to live here.
Bale is better on the left.
Valencia is better on the right.
You forgot to highlight the word no.
= Bale on the left and Valencia on the right.
 
Lawman said:
No its not strange if your a left winger you get to the byeline and cross the ball from a more dangerous position. I don't think Bale is just better cause he's left footed. I think Bale is on par with Nani in terms of the bracket of player both of them are (both top players). But cause he is left footed and takes men on the outside he'd be a better fit than Nani on the left for us.
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Your grammatical skills make this difficult.

Bale cuts in quite a bit by the way. If Nani didn't cut in so much on the left AND right he wouldn't score as many goals, he also has a super left foot and has put in lots of excellent crosses on the left.

I can see you're stuck in your opinion, quite frankly I think it's mental. Swapping Bale for Nani because you think Bale is better than him on the left despite not being a better player, and Nani still being a better player than Valencia who you think we should use on the right instead still because he's more "consistent" (nonsense)
 
Cina said:
Sorry what? No they're not. What about the fact that Bale had been in the PL for a few years before that? The fact that Nani only just moved here from a Portugese league? Irrelevant?
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Bale moving positions? Injuries? Nani coming in to the best Man Utd side in over a decade? I'd say it's pretty fair actually...

Cina said:
Nani did not take until 23 to deliver his talent, he still did it in his first few years, just overly inconsistently, but myself and others noticed that and whilst others wanted rid of him we still wanted him here, why? Because the talent and performances WERE there.
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Yes they were, I don't argue otherwise. I'm not saying Nani is a chump and we should have gotten rid. In fact Bale is the only "proper" winger I'd swap Nani for (and I include Robben in that). Bale has been showing consistently for the last couple of years (yes he's had dips, but then so has Nani over exactly the same time period, it happens with attacking players) in a way Nani didn't at that age. Given he's almost 3 years younger I'd say it would be worth the swap, I'd rather have Bale on the left and Nani on the right than Bale and Valencia, but that's a different issue.

Cina said:
Bale had around 5 or 6 really good games last season, a good early season spell, he's been rather poor since the New Year, suddenly he has a good game yesterday against Swansea and he's the shit again, and people think swapping Nani for him would be a good idea.
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See it's just daft things like that that make me realise it's pointless trying to discuss a player that doesn't play for United on these forums.

Cina said:
"Utter bollocks". Oh Dion, acting the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime as always.
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:lol: I don't think I've ever spoken to you on this forum before? (and to be honest I can see why I'd have avoided it)
 
Lawman said:
Im losing the will to live here.
Bale is better on the left.
Valencia is better on the right.
You forgot to highlight the word no.
= Bale on the left and Valencia on the right.
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Sorry no,

"better than Valencia on the right no" is a little difficult to understand no.
 
Dion said:
Bale Moving positions? Injuries, Nani coming in to the best Man Utd side in over a decade? I'd say it's pretty fair.


Yes they were, I don't argue otherwise. I'm not saying Nani is a chump and we should have gotten rid. In fact Bale is the only "proper" winger I'd swap Nani for (and I include Robben in that). Bale has been showing consistently for the last couple of years (yes he's had dips, but then so has Nani over exactly the same time period, it happens with attacking players) in a way Nani didn't at that age. Given he's almost 3 years younger I'd say it would be worth the swap.


See it's just daft things like that that make me realise it's pointless trying to discuss a player that doesn't play for United on these forums.


:lol: I don't think I've ever spoken to you on this forum before? (and to be honest I can see why I'd have avoided it)
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I recall you calling me a cnut when you first got promoted, but we'll forget that.

Nani moved positions too, you know? He started on the left, then right, then left etc. Surely coming into one of the best sides we've had isn't actually an advantage, seeing as his opportunities are more limited than Bale, who never had problems getting into the Spurs team once he started having a good game or 2.

Bale is 2 1/2 years younger, so we should swap them? Bale is a hamster, he's all pace, Nani isn't, therefore Nani can play at the top level for longer.

Why is that daft? it's true. People were saying he was the best left winger in the world last year after those Milan games.
 
He is a terrific player, still improving and will be superb when he reaches his peak. You same lot will hail him as the second Messi if he's a United player
 
Cina, while I agree with you regarding Nani being the most talented and best winger in Prem. Your opinions on Bale are quite clueless. He is far from a pace merchant like Lennon or Walcott. He has plenty in his locker other than just out pacing a defender. And it is also a fact that he IS playing better than Nani was at his age. That does not mean he will translate into a better player in another 2 years but you can not just brush that aside because it does not suit your narrative. There is every chance Bale progresses more than Nani and ends up being a better player. Talent is not everything. Beckham did not have the talent of Nani and Nani still has 2 levels to go before he can claim to be as good as Becks was for us.
 
Cina said:
I recall you calling me a cnut when you first got promoted, but we'll forget that.
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I'll be honest, that does sound like something I'd do and from our short interaction here you no doubt deserved it, but I can't find the incident, could you be a treasure and point it out to me?

Edit: just found it, was in the now locked Alexis Sanchez thread... yes you did indeed deserve it! You start throwing knobs about and eventually someone will lob a cnut back Cina, it's just how the world works. I'd have hoped you could have seen I was using it in a joking way about the aggressive nature of your reply to what was a rather innocent post, rather than an all out personal attack.

Cina said:
Nani moved positions too, you know? He started on the left, then right, then left etc. Surely coming into one of the best sides we've had isn't actually an advantage, seeing as his opportunities are more limited than Bale, who never had problems getting into the Spurs team once he started having a good game or 2.
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Coming in to a team that is flying is much easier than coming in to a team thats struggling, the whole team is less reliant on you to perform and they can give you time. It's the reason Fergie waits until we're 3-0 up before he lets Pogba play. Nani can play on either wing well, it's not moving positions for him, certainly not in the same manner as moving from a defender (where Bale was never suited, was such a waste of his talents) to a winger.

Cina said:
Bale is 2 1/2 years younger, so we should swap them? Bale is a hamster, he's all pace, Nani isn't, therefore Nani can play at the top level for longer.
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If that is how you see Bale then I can see why you'd hold that view, I don't see Bale like that.

Cina said:
Why is that daft? it's true. People were saying he was the best left winger in the world last year after those Milan games.
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I don't disagree that people have over-rated him after a few good games, but I do disagree with the premise that he only had 5-6 good games last season and people have suddenly decided he was good again after 1 match.
 
towcester_red said:
So is Valencia's game though? But we wouldnt say the same about him?

Giggsy was a flying winger who relied on his pace at 21 years of age...

Bale's a quality footballer.
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I don't think Valencia relies on his pace to the extent that Bale does.

Giggs had the intelligence and ability to adapt his game. I am not sure that Bale does.
 
I'm still of the belief that if you get in quick and tight to Bale. That he struggles, he doesn't seem to have the trickery to get out of tight situations. Not doubting he has amazing ability to dribble the ball at pace with great close control and if you give him 10-15 yards he will murder you. His crossing is arguably up there with the best in the Premiership.

But he is honestly just a Luxury that we do not need. He'd likely cost £40-50m as Spurs don't want to sell him and our priority needs to be address the central midfield area.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I don't think Valencia relies on his pace to the extent that Bale does.

Giggs had the intelligence and ability to adapt his game. I am not sure that Bale does.
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But did Giggsy stand out as an intelligent footballer at that age?

I think if he was a Utd player Bale would get so much more credit here. Valencia relies just as much on pace as Bale. Slowing the man down, before taking him on.
 
crappycraperson said:
Cina, while I agree with you regarding Nani being the most talented and best winger in Prem. Your opinions on Bale are quite clueless. He is far from a pace merchant like Lennon or Walcott. He has plenty in his locker other than just out pacing a defender. And it is also a fact that he IS playing better than Nani was at his age. That does not mean he will translate into a better player in another 2 years but you can not just brush that aside because it does not suit your narrative. There is every chance Bale progresses more than Nani and ends up being a better player. Talent is not everything. Beckham did not have the talent of Nani and Nani still has 2 levels to go before he can claim to be as good as Becks was for us.
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He won't become better than nani because his attributes are limited. You don't really expect him to add anything to his arsenal do you?? You can't add much to your game at the age of 22. Nani simply became more consistent. He always had the talent. He became consistent and better defensively with experience. Bale is performing to his full potential at a younger age so I don't expect him to improve much. He may improve little bit in some areas. Bale obviously is better than lennon or walcott on so many levels so that comparison is just ridiculous. We know he is much more than just pace, but still technically he isn't in the same league as nani or maria or robben. Don't get me wrong he has got great left foot, he can score goals and he can cross and has pace so he is a top player but I won't consider him at nani's level.
 
towcester_red said:
So is Valencia's game though? But we wouldnt say the same about him?

Giggsy was a flying winger who relied on his pace at 21 years of age...

Bale's a quality footballer.
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Giggsy wasn't all pace, was he?? Infact bale isn't all pace himself although he relies more on it.
 
towcester_red said:
But did Giggsy stand out as an intelligent footballer at that age?
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Absolutely.

I think if he was a Utd player Bale would get so much more credit here. Valencia relies just as much on pace as Bale. Slowing the man down, before taking him on.
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He would certainly get more credit, but that's how it goes. We all praise our own. I don't agree about Valencia, though.
 
TheBest said:
He won't become better than nani because his attributes are limited. You don't really expect him to add anything to his arsenal do you?? You can't much to your game at the age of 22. Nani simply became more consistent. He always had the talent. He became consistent and better defensively with experience. Bale is performing to his full potential at a younger age so I don't expect him to improve much. He may improve little bit in some areas. Bale obviously is better than lennon or walcott on so many levels so that comparison is just ridiculous. We know he is much more than just pace, but still technically he isn't in the same league as nani or maria or robben. Don't get me wrong he has got great left foot, he can score goals and he can cross and has pace so he is a top player but I won't consider him at nani's level.
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Agreed, even though Nani is older I still actually think he has more scope for improvement in comparison to Bale.

I think its easier to improve if you have the tools at your disposal already, whereas for Bale to improve he'll have to completely get together his passing game and close control, two things that are pretty bloody difficult to do so.

Bale is basically similar to Valencia but he's left footed and much more of a goal threat, not as good in the build up or as intelligent as him though. He's a bloody good player and one of top three wingers in the league (along with Nani and Valencia), it's really not worth getting Bale just because we have 2 top quality wing options and another very very good one.

Valencia doesn't rely on pace as much as Bale either, he's much more intelligent than most give him credit for. His decision making, short passing and overall awareness on the pitch is much better than most wingers in the world.
 
Cina said:
I recall you calling me a cnut when you first got promoted, but we'll forget that.

Nani moved positions too, you know? He started on the left, then right, then left etc. Surely coming into one of the best sides we've had isn't actually an advantage, seeing as his opportunities are more limited than Bale, who never had problems getting into the Spurs team once he started having a good game or 2.

Bale is 2 1/2 years younger, so we should swap them? Bale is a hamster, he's all pace, Nani isn't, therefore Nani can play at the top level for longer.

Why is that daft? it's true. People were saying he was the best left winger in the world last year after those Milan games.
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To be fair Cina if you are going to continually put personal and trivial digs into posts I can understand why people will call you that.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I don't think Valencia relies on his pace to the extent that Bale does.
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Valencia definately uses pace as much as Bale, but it's a pointless argument because it isn't even a bad thing to rely on pace. You could say Drogba or Dzeko rely on strength but it doesnt mean anything. All players are going to rely on certain attributes and abilities.
 
Dion said:
I'll be honest, that does sound like something I'd do and from our short interaction here you no doubt deserved it, but I can't find the incident, could you be a treasure and point it out to me?

Edit: just found it, was in the now locked Alexis Sanchez thread... yes you did indeed deserve it! You start throwing knobs about and eventually someone will lob a cnut back Cina, it's just how the world works. I'd have hoped you could have seen I was using it in a joking way about the aggressive nature of your reply to what was a rather innocent post, rather than an all out personal attack.


Coming in to a team that is flying is much easier than coming in to a team thats struggling, the whole team is less reliant on you to perform and they can give you time. It's the reason Fergie waits until we're 3-0 up before he lets Pogba play. Nani can play on either wing well, it's not moving positions for him, certainly not in the same manner as moving from a defender (where Bale was never suited, was such a waste of his talents) to a winger.


If that is how you see Bale then I can see why you'd hold that view, I don't see Bale like that.


I don't disagree that people have over-rated him after a few good games, but I do disagree with the premise that he only had 5-6 good games last season and people have suddenly decided he was good again after 1 match.
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Man, you love your multi quotes. You and Chief would get along well.

Meh, calling someone a cnut on here generally gets you an infraction, so I'd say it's worse than dissing someone's posts (which you have done too, by the way). I don't take anything here personally, I couldn't care less what you called me.

I disagree on the team bit, obviously something we see differently.

The bold bit, I was clearly not just basing it on that match, but when it comes to Bale, people do overreact when he starts playing well again. He was poor for 2 or 3 months, and he had a good game, suddenly that gimp Coleman says he's the best left footed player in the entire world. He's very overrated, I don't think he's as good as Nani, or Valencia. Yes he does have age on his side and can probably become better than the latter (a more similar player than Nani) by that time, but he isn't as talented as Nani, not nearly so, for me anyway. I don't think the fact that he's 3 years younger is a defining factor to go and swap them, that's for sure.

Lawman said:
To be fair Cina if you are going to continually put personal and trivial digs into posts I can understand why people will call you that.
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Personal and trivial? What does that mean? It's very difficult to get your points at times because of your grammar, use the odd full stop and comma here and there, that's all.
 
Theon said:
Valencia definately uses pace as much as Bale, but it's a pointless argument because it isn't even a bad thing to rely on pace. You could say Drogba or Dzeko rely on strength but it doesnt mean anything. All players are going to rely on certain attributes and abilities.
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Agree Valencia definitely relies on his pace as much as Bale.
Over all the three of them are wonderful players the original question put was would I swap Bale for Nani and given the fact we have three wingers who are all right footed then I said yes as it would give us more balance. Nani is a top player no doubt and I do think he is the most talented but I think Valencia and Bale are more consistent over the 90mins in terms of work rate and that Nani tends to create with moments of magic that's just my opinion sorry if it riles anyone and lastly Nani is a top player and I am glad we have him in case some one wants too bring this up in future (Cina).
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I don't think Valencia relies on his pace to the extent that Bale does.

Giggs had the intelligence and ability to adapt his game. I am not sure that Bale does.
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You can't compare any player to Ryan Giggs - he's a one off. You don't sign a player who plays a certain way and expect them to be playing long enough that they need to adapt their game to the extent that Ryan Giggs has. The PL let alone United will probably never see the likes again.

Bale gets a lot of stick on here and I can't see why - he's been outstanding this season, and if he keeps developing has the potential to be one of the best left sided players in the world.

He may rely on his pace but so what? When a player is not only quick but a tremendous athlete that's a great combination - especially when said player has a bit of end product.

He'll end up at a really top club and he'll do very well - he might not be playing when he's 38 but how many people do?
 
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