Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

A couple of quality free-kick's they other night that I see have been well dissected. He's in the best form of his career right now and personally I think it is exciting to see in our league.

GlastonSpur said:
10 goals for us now in our last 10 games, and 17 for the season so far.

I can hear the sound of Snake Plissken paddling ever more furiously up De Nile.
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There was an Escape from Egypt? :confused:
 
Lots of differents issues have been raised the last few days, but I think we all agree now that Bale is a fantastic talent deserves at least being mentioned in the same sentence as Ribery and Di Maria.

I have no idea what Bale "is worth", but hopefully it's no longer considered a controversial statement to suggest that he has surpassed Nani, Valencia and Young in terms of overall effectiveness as a winger.
 
KM said:
What's being said about Welbeck or Cleverley btw?

Welbeck has been a criticized a lot owing to his goal drought and loads of people were saying Cleverley was over-rated last season.

Keep on going with your generalizations though.
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My favourite was that Welbeck reminded one poster of a young Thierry Henry.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Are there better wingers than Bale in the world? Yes. Do they have more potential? No one can say for sure but probably yes. Are they all also better than what we have? Yes. Will they cost less? Yes. Are they younger than Bale? Yes.

Hence, Bale is not the best option for us.
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I didn't say he was. The point I'm making is that he's a good player and better, in my opinion, than what we have.

Out of interest who do you rate more highly?
 
RedRover said:
My favourite was that Welbeck reminded one poster of a young Thierry Henry.
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Aye my favourite was when some poster thought Andy Caroll was 35m worth. Wonder who it was?
 
RedRover said:
I didn't say that by the way. Not that it has any relevance here.
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Actually, this highlights a relevant point. I don't get the Bale isn't worth "x" amount. Surely he's worth what people will pay?

Carroll is an example of a player who cost over the odds and wasn't a success. But if he had been I can't see that the fans would be bothered what he cost.

Bayern have been linked today and they paid a fortune for Martinez last year. As good a player as he clearly is its arguable Bale, who by the nature of his position offers a bigger match winning threat might cost a bit more.
 
KM said:
and mocking the poster who said Welbeck is as good as Henry has relevance here then.
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I wasn't mocking anyone. I was answering a question - namely someone asking what was being said regarding Welbeck and Cleverly in their respective threads.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I've offered the opinion that are very few players out there who offer more of an all round package than Bale.

If you disagree that Bale offers an all round package, then the onus is one you to explain why (since I've already given reasons for my view).

Or, if you disagree that there are "very few" players who offer more of an all round package, then again the onus is one you to provide a list of players who, in your opinion, do offer more of an all round package.

PS. Tossing around insults doesn't cut it.
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I don't disagree nor agree with anything you said, I didn't give any opinion regarding players that don't possess what Bale has.
You on the other hand, you're telling that there aren't many better players than him in terms of 'package' but you won't tell us who those better players are ? How the feck do you wanna be taken seriously then ?
Your initial statement is too general and easy to make, back it up with some examples of players better (or inferior if you prefer) than Bale is all I'm saying.
There is no onus on me because I didn't say that I agreed nor disagreed with you, it's on you to be more specific
 
Does anyone agree with Glaston that Bale is a "hotter talent"/better player than Gotze?
 
Brwned said:
Spurs are a very good team, Bale's an excellent player and I agree with your overall point but the answer to your final paragraph isn't that difficult - it's widely agreed that the league isn't what it was 5 years ago. We're winning the league with ease yet you have someone who has watched George Best and co. saying this is possibly the worst United team in the last decade. So if a decent team like ours can walk the league then a mediocre team can finish in the CL spots.
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Of course it isn't - Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have regressed; City and Spurs have advanced; it's much harder to get points against teams in the bottom half now than it was 5 years ago. Overall, is it easier to pick up points now - I seriously doubt it.

I've watched United since Edwards and the babes. This is not the worst United team in the last decade - anyone who says it is hasn't watched much football in the last decade. As SAF said recently, this is probably our strongest squad ever. Rotation and our current ability to pick sides for particular matches makes comparisons difficult, but some of our attacking play this season has been among the best I've seen from a United side.

People have short (and very selective) memories. The Ronaldo/Tevez side of 08-09 played some of the direst football that can be imagined, scraping 1-0 wins on the back of Ronaldo free kicks, yet they are often referred to as an attacking benchmark. (They scored a total of 68 goals in the Prem - the current team isn't far off that with 12 games to play.) Having said that, it's also worth remembering that from 05-06 onwards we've been in a golden age as far as our teams are concerned. The sustained quality of football over the last 8 seasons has been the best in the 55 years I've been watching the team (which has been a relief considering the immediately preceeding years), and this year's team is not out of place among that group. I'm not going to say that this is the best team ever, but the fact that we win more games and score more goals in a stronger league certainly makes any suggestion that they are among the weakest ludicrous.
 
RedRover said:
Actually, this highlights a relevant point. I don't get the Bale isn't worth "x" amount. Surely he's worth what people will pay?

Carroll is an example of a player who cost over the odds and wasn't a success. But if he had been I can't see that the fans would be bothered what he cost.

Bayern have been linked today and they paid a fortune for Martinez last year. As good a player as he clearly is its arguable Bale, who by the nature of his position offers a bigger match winning threat might cost a bit more.
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Actually - there is more good offensive talents than there is really quality defensive midfielders. If you look to Germany or Spain - there is an abundance of that players.

Bayern only paid about 12 million EUR for an offensive midfielder/winger - maybe would have paid the 17 million EUR for Reus - but as they already have top wingers/offensive midfielders more than they can field and only needed an offensive midfielder for rotation... they never would have spent the money on an offensive midfielder.

Whereas they thought that they really were in need of a real quality and talented defensive midfielder to partner Schweinsteiger - Gustavo is very good but not top (especially as he just made another step this season) - and the market just did not provide any other available player of this quality that would improve the team. Improve - not just be a substitution etc. That is why they finally went for him and paid the sum. And you already see right now the difference.

About Bale - who of the big clubs is in need of a winger - and Bale is much better than the current setup. You do not play big sums for a reserve player or a squad player - and not if you can get similar on the market cheaper. There is FFP and if you spend big sums you will only do that if it will really improve your squad.

Chelsea?
They invested big in young offensive midfielders this year and there is still a De Bruyne on loan.

Bayern?
There is Robben, Ribery and Shaqiri - and Müller, who is even a bit younger than Bale and scores an assist/goal every 73 minutes this season - Bale about every 115.

ManCity?
Maybe

ManUnited?
You have to know

Then there is only Real and Barca and some Russian clubs.
 
We all rely on our eyes, sometimes to our detriment ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21466529 ) - we tend to see what we expect to see. (De Gea is a great case in point.)

07-08 was undoubtedly a great team founded on a great defence. Obviously we are not on that level defensively (we could argue about why - I'd go for injuries and the loss of Queiros). Offensively, however, the last two years have been excellent. Incidentally, I don't rely on statistics - I watch the games - just happens that the statistics seem to confirm what I believe I'm seeing.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Not as good a footballer as Gotze. Not by a long shot.
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Bale's not too far away from Mario Götze, trust me.

Bale has more power, is faster, has a better shot on him, whereas Götze has great close control and, one could argue, a better footballing brain than Bale.

Then again, not too much between the two, Steven Seagull.
 
Jaap said:
Bale's not too far away from Mario Götze, trust me.

Bale has more power, is faster, has a better shot on him, whereas Götze has great close control and, one could argue, a better footballing brain than Bale.

Then again, not too much between the two, Steven Seagull.
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Exactly, they are different types of players, pointless trying to compare them.

Bale is one of the best players in Europe right now, but I guess it's 'cool' to say someone like Gotze is better because he plays in a team that most of us rave about, in a league that people rave about. It's all about being edgy and having a different view to the majority.
 
Jaap said:
Bale's not too far away from Mario Götze, trust me.

Bale has more power, is faster, has a better shot on him, whereas Götze has great close control and, one could argue, a better footballing brain than Bale.

Then again, not too much between the two, Steven Seagull.
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So Götze is 3 years younger and already a better footballer. Götze's vision is amazing for his age, his ability on the ball is stunning. He's the outstanding talent in a generation full of amazing german talents. Both are very different players, though. It probably makes more sense to compare Reus and Bale and I highly doubt Bale is the better player than Reus.
 
Sixpence said:
Exactly, they are different types of players, pointless trying to compare them.

Bale is one of the best players in Europe right now, but I guess it's 'cool' to say someone like Gotze is better because he plays in a team that most of us rave about, in a league that people rave about. It's all about being edgy and having a different view to the majority.
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The majority would say Goetze.
 
Neymar, Bale, Gotze, Wilshere. I'll take any of them happily at United.

Btw, need to remember the other 3 are younger than Bale, btw.
 
Bale needs to play for an elite team and excel in it before we can say that he is better than Gotze. Gotze is a more complete player but that does not necessarily mean that he will prove to be a more effective player in the long run.

Personally I think that Bale is a truly elite talent, but those kinds of talents need to be playing in elite teams and picking up significant silverware.
 
The hype's gone into overdrive this week, which is daft because all he's done this week is score a few dodgy free kicks and all of a sudden he's the best thing going and his talent is only now undoubted. Just like that time he scored a pointless hat-trick against a declining right back and this shit all started.

Excellent player who's becoming grossly and irritatingly over-rated. He gets more hype than footballers better than him like Wilshere, Gotze and Mata because he has explosive pace and for some reason that seems to get everyone wet.
 
Leroy The Red said:
The hype's gone into overdrive this week, which is daft because all he's done this week is score a few dodgy free kicks and all of a sudden he's the best thing going and his talent is only now undoubted. Just like that time he scored a pointless hat-trick against a declining right back and this shit all started.
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It's always just "a few dodgy free kicks", or a "pointless hat-trick", or "only a kick and run merchant", or "one dimensional" with those who are determined to downplay Bale's talent.

Such posters will doubtless find a way to dismiss his "non-pointless" hat-trick earlier this season, his goals scored from headers, left foot and right foot ... and the fact that he's scored 22 goals this season so far in 34 appearances for club and country.

It's all just "shit" over-hype .... apparently :wenger:
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's always just "a few dodgy free kicks", or a "pointless hat-trick", or "only a kick and run merchant", or "one dimensional" with those who are determined to downplay Bale's talent.

Such posters will doubtless find a way to dismiss his "non-pointless" hat-trick earlier this season, his goals scored from headers, left foot and right foot ... and the fact that he's scored 22 goals this season so far in 34 appearances for club and country.

It's all just "shit" over-hype .... apparently :wenger:
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I'm not doubting his talent, I'm just finding it funny people are emphasising that its this week that shows "Nobody can question him now", why? cos of two free kicks kicked straight at the keeper? He's had periods where he's been in better form than he is now, in terms of his all round play.
There are plenty of players around Europe with similar goal stats but those players aren't being hailed as "better than Ronaldo" or "Just behind Messi and Ronaldo"....
 
Bale would be a world beater at United.

I would shit myself with joy if we signed him. Can't think of anyone remotely attainable that I would rather sign.
 
Bale's free kicks were hardly "dodgy".

And it's not as though he's toiled in humble obscurity for the last three seasons and suddenly had a great game. He's white hot and has been for several months. He certainly tooled our back line earlier this season. And while you can blame Carrick or Fergie or whoever for Bale's runs down our back line's throats, it still remains a fact he got it done.

That said, hype can get out of control at times and this appears to be one of those times. Bale is an outstanding footballer who would improve most squads, but he's simply not in the same league, metaphysically speaking, as Ronaldo or Messi.
 
Hello Bale fanbois. :)

The result didn't go our way but booing that overrated man in his face was pretty enjoyable. Isolated for most of the second half, missed a sitter in front of us in the second half and generally did nothing. Not really surprised.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
... The result didn't go our way ...
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Which is what you deserved. You played at home like an away team of frightened rabbits.

You showed zero ambition and zero attacking intent after you scored.

The better team goes through, and the Europa League competition is richer because of it.
 
Anything else you want to add sir? You seem to be writing all that in the belief that people are taking your views seriously, so I wouldn't want to interrupt. Please go on. :)
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Hello Bale fanbois. :)

The result didn't go our way but booing that overrated man in his face was pretty enjoyable. Isolated for most of the second half, missed a sitter in front of us in the second half and generally did nothing. Not really surprised.
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Shame he wasn't as bad last week. You might be in the next round.
 
he was shit. If they had went out it would have been amusing because you could have pinned it on that sitter he missed.
 
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