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Fergie's Man said:
Gullible I am not, enjoying myself, I am. Storey and Glaston are genuine numpties.

Storey is a WUM, but Glaston believes his nonsense.

Levy is tight. He was the same at Rangers. Hated by everybody, other than those who believe that aliens exist amongst us.
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:lol: Yeah and how have Rangers done since he left the club? Financially tight ship eh?

I don't think either Glaston or Story believe half the things they say but they must love the reactions every time. Small time club, no good players, the sense of outrage every time!
 
africanspur said:
:lol: Yeah and how have Rangers done since he left the club? Financially tight ship eh?

I don't think either Glaston or Story believe half the things they say but they must love the reactions every time. Small time club, no good players, the sense of outrage every time!
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Tbf then it's a genuine pathetic life they must be leading. Enjoying reactions from people by posting rubbish stuff on an internet forum. Bravo!
 
africanspur said:
Right, except it isn't being too tight but being realistic with the resources we have and not bankrupting the club.
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Am I right that over the last 4 seasons you've had something like a -£12m net spend? Seems he's very happy to remain a Europa League standard team.. The potential to become one of the top teams in the league was definitely there.
 
KM said:
Tbf then it's a genuine pathetic life they must be leading. Enjoying reactions from people by posting rubbish stuff on an internet forum. Bravo!
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There seem to be a few posters on here that have never made a comment unless it's been to directly refute and then start an argument with someone else. Some people love it.
 
Dominos said:
Am I right that over the last 4 seasons you've had something like a -£12m net spend? Seems he's very happy to remain a Europa League standard team.. The potential to become one of the top teams in the league was definitely there.
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You're not far off but we've also been spending money on buying up properties around WHL, getting planning permission, building a new training ground etc etc.

The reality is that if we're going to become a consistent CL club, especially in a league with 2 financially boosted clubs, we're going to need an excellent training ground and an excellent stadium. We've just built one and the second one if not done properly could bankrupt the club. So we save and get ready. Because long term, that is the important thing, not Berbatov, Modric, Bale, AVB etc etc.

In the short term, it means we'll lose players sure (though there's a lot of rumours that our sponsors are willing to subsidise Bale's contract if he's willing to sign a new one ) but in the long term if done right, we'll hopefully be more able to compete.

We'll have to see I guess, it will be a few years in the future yet.
 
I had a dream last night that we sold Rooney to Chelsea for £50m, all my Chelsea mates were laughing at us and the papers came out and basically called to title Chelsea's.

Then we signed Bale for £60m+ and Fabregas for £30m.

Now I'm not saying I'm clairvoyant...
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I'm pretty confused by this notion from opposing fans that no-one will want to come play for us because we're managed by Moyes.

We're not Spurs, where if you had a Mourinho who then stepped down your pulling power might vanish. We're Manchester United, reigning English champions, the most successful in English history and.....we're Manchester United. Wouldn't expect someone supporting a team of nearly-men with little history to understand that but common sense would be a start.

Also i think it's pretty good that Spurs don't want to be a selling club, but the sad fact is that they are and will be until they're in the CL year in year out. It's only a matter of time until Bale leaves, whether he comes to us or not is a different story.
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What do you mean? Spurs are a storied club with plenty of 'history' so I'm not sure why you've tossed that in there so flippantly.

They're obviously not one of the giants of the modern era, but they have more than a 'little history.'
 
africanspur said:
:lol: Yeah and how have Rangers done since he left the club? Financially tight ship eh?

I don't think either Glaston or Story believe half the things they say but they must love the reactions every time. Small time club, no good players, the sense of outrage every time!
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Nothing to do with him leaving, but thankfully I could never be a Rangers fan. When I think of Rangers, I think of May 2008. Animals.
 
Fortitude said:
What do you mean? Spurs are a storied club with plenty of 'history' so I'm not sure why you've tossed that in there so flippantly.

They're obviously not one of the giants of the modern era, but they have more than a 'little history.'
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Compared to us it's little, and i worded that poorly.

I wasn't specifically talking about the Spuds fans on here, more the fans of other teams on Twitter/forums/comment boxes who share this view, when it's hard for them to understand because their club+manager who's won relatively little would probably see people turning them down, but at United we have a lot of things to draw people in regardless of who the manager is.

It's like some people have taken on the belief that Fergie was the club, when we were massive as a club before him.

But yeh, not talking about Spurs fans specifically, just used them as an example, badly worded comment.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Nothing to do with him leaving, but thankfully I could never be a Rangers fan. When I think of Rangers, I think of May 2008. Animals.
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You don't think a man like Levy who tends to run a tight financial ship (or has done at Spurs at least) would have helped a club who went bankrupt? And you don't think that kind of financial mismanagement (or of Leeds etc) is the kind of thing he's trying to avoid?
 
Vasey20|13 said:
Compared to us it's little, and i worded that poorly.

I wasn't specifically talking about the Spuds fans on here, more the fans of other teams on Twitter/forums/comment boxes who share this view, when it's hard for them to understand because their club+manager who's won relatively little would probably see people turning them down, but at United we have a lot of things to draw people in regardless of who the manager is.

It's like some people have taken on the belief that Fergie was the club, when we were massive as a club before him.

But yeh, not talking about Spurs fans specifically, just used them as an example, badly worded comment.
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Of course you have unfortunately surpassed us by some distance and Ferguson has done such an excellent job that there's no chance of this collapse that people are hoping for (though a Ferguson like performance from the new manager is also not going going to happen).

But you do realise that in 1986, Tottenham had won 14 trophies and Man Utd had won......14 trophies. 27 og your 41 titles have come in the past 27 years and under the same man. Until (relatively) recently, there wasn't all that huge a difference. Then Ferguson happened. Sugar happened. And we went on different paths.
 
africanspur said:
Of course you have unfortunately surpassed us by some distance and Ferguson has done such an excellent job that there's no chance of this collapse that people are hoping for (though a Ferguson like performance from the new manager is also not going going to happen).

But you do realise that in 1986, Tottenham had won 14 trophies and Man Utd had won......14 trophies. 27 og your 41 titles have come in the past 27 years and under the same man. Until (relatively) recently, there wasn't all that huge a difference. Then Ferguson happened. Sugar happened. And we went on different paths.
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I'd argue that we were still seen as a much bigger club though, because the majority of your trophies were cups. We had many more league trophies and a European cup.

I'm just saying that we have such a world-wide pull because of who we are, that the notion that someone would want to come, only to reject us based on Moyes being manager is a little bit naive. Of course some players would, but not many are gonna turn us down, regardless of who our manager is.

Tito hadn't really had much of a high-profile career until taking the assistant job at Barca, but when Pep left people aren't gonna suddenly start turning down Barca because the manager isn't a name. Would Pep have more of a pull? For some players, who knows, but if they wanted to go there i doubt they'd change their mind based on the profile of the manager. It's still Barca.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
Compared to us it's little, and i worded that poorly.

I wasn't specifically talking about the Spuds fans on here, more the fans of other teams on Twitter/forums/comment boxes who share this view, when it's hard for them to understand because their club+manager who's won relatively little would probably see people turning them down, but at United we have a lot of things to draw people in regardless of who the manager is.

It's like some people have taken on the belief that Fergie was the club, when we were massive as a club before him.

But yeh, not talking about Spurs fans specifically, just used them as an example, badly worded comment.
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I see. Just found it an odd word to throw at a club like Spurs who are an anti-thesis of it.

It's because of their history that so many Spurs' fans remain as proud and, dare I say, deluded, as to their stature - or what it should be in the modern era - as they are.
 
This forum has vast reserves of righteous indignation that are brought out every time Chelsea or Manchester City decide to spend more money than Redcafe thinks they have earned, yet when Tottenham makes sound financial choices for themselves by not spending recklessly, they also get criticized. Brilliant.
 
Some bizzare comments on here. Our resident Spurs fans are right to say there's little chance of Bale moving on thsi summer, I think that's obvious. Biut the categorical statements that he wont be sold, or stating that he wont be sold even next summer unless its abroad is going too far.

99% of the time if a player wants a move to a particular cluub then they eventually end up there. Bale might very well fancy a move to Spain - but he also might not. He's not going to move where Spurs tell him to - that'ss clear. If he chooses club x then eventually, in my opinion, Spurs will accept that, do the best deal they can and and he'll move on.

Its also the case, again in my opinion, that Spurs will have a figure that they'll sell at even now. Ultimately Bale is an asset and there'll be a certain figure at which they'll take into account all the risks that go along with not selling him (such as the risk of a drop in form or injury affecting his value) and take the cash. Whether any club is willing to pay that much, who knows.

I don't get the hero worship for Levy either. A Chairman who drives a hard bargain is fair enough - but he doesnt seem to get it right. Despite all the guff about Berbatov they did sell him to United. They may have reaped a few million more - but they didnt leave themselves enough time to get anyone in, ending up with Frazier Campbell as a fall back option.

The Spurs fans will have you believe that the Modric and Chelsea saga tells you how great a chairman he is. Fair play, they kept him - only for another year. Had he still wanted Chelsea even though Madrid were in for him he'd have got his move - they were lucky that he wanted to go to Madrid. The same might not be the case with Bale.

The one chance he did have to do well was to let AVB bring in a forward in January which would have, for me, been the difference between finishing 4th and 5th. CL qualification is obviously worth a fortune and Bale might have signed on the dotted line. Huge error, and as a fan one I'd find particularly hard to swallow.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I'd argue that we were still seen as a much bigger club though, because the majority of your trophies were cups. We had many more league trophies and a European cup.

I'm just saying that we have such a world-wide pull because of who we are, that the notion that someone would want to come, only to reject us based on Moyes being manager is a little bit naive. Of course some players would, but not many are gonna turn us down, regardless of who our manager is.

Tito hadn't really had much of a high-profile career until taking the assistant job at Barca, but when Pep left people aren't gonna suddenly start turning down Barca because the manager isn't a name. Would Pep have more of a pull? For some players, who knows, but if they wanted to go there i doubt they'd change their mind based on the profile of the manager. It's still Barca.
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With all due respect, were you around during those times?

And would you have said that Liverpool were a bigger club than you in 2006? When Ferguson came in, you'd spent almost the same amount of time as we had without a league title.

The Moyes argument is crap. People aren't going to stop going to Man Utd because Ferguson has gone, you'll still remain one of the biggest draws in the world.
 
The Berbatov thing had nothing to do with not wanting to sell to you. He was willing to sell to you, for our price. 30 million. You didn't offer 30 million. On the last day, Man City did. You panicked when we accepted and offered 30 million as well.Not saying it was the right decision but that is what happened.

We kept him for another year to get into the top 4 and to tell Chelsea to feck off. We did both. There was nothing lucky about it. He said he wanted a Chelsea move. We said no. He didn't go to Chelsea. We moved him on abroad. Same as when you said Heinze wasn't going to Liverpool.

The reason Spurs fans like Levy is very simple. Look at where we were when he came. Look at where we are now. And then look at the majority of chairmen and owners in the league. Nobody is perfect but he's done an excellent job.
 
He has and ultimately it comes down to Bale. If he's happy where he is, no one will be signing him this summer.
 
africanspur said:
With all due respect, were you around during those times?

And would you have said that Liverpool were a bigger club than you in 2006? When Ferguson came in, you'd spent almost the same amount of time as we had without a league title.

The Moyes argument is crap. People aren't going to stop going to Man Utd because Ferguson has gone, you'll still remain one of the biggest draws in the world.
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No i wasn't around then, but i would assume that a club with 7 FA cups, 2 leagues and 2 UEFA Cup wins wouldn't have been seen as big a club as one with 6 FA cups, 8 leagues and a European Cup win.

United have probably always been a bigger post-war 'name' than Spurs, and United have probably always had a bigger post-Munich support.

I wasn't around, but i'm assuming that a team with more fans and more major trophies would have been classed a bigger club back then, same as it would be now.

Not rubbishing Spurs, i actually think they're one of the more decent clubs out there, but whether anyone likes it or not in the 80's we were certainly a bigger club than Spurs and we were certainly a bigger and more recognised world footballing name. I know i'll get quoted and requoted on this but if you think Spurs have ever been a bigger club than United then you're entitled to your opinion but it's not true.
 
africanspur said:
The Berbatov thing had nothing to do with not wanting to sell to you. He was willing to sell to you, for our price. 30 million. You didn't offer 30 million. On the last day, Man City did. You panicked when we accepted and offered 30 million as well.Not saying it was the right decision but that is what happened.

We kept him for another year to get into the top 4 and to tell Chelsea to feck off. We did both. There was nothing lucky about it. He said he wanted a Chelsea move. We said no. He didn't go to Chelsea. We moved him on abroad. Same as when you said Heinze wasn't going to Liverpool.

The reason Spurs fans like Levy is very simple. Look at where we were when he came. Look at where we are now. And then look at the majority of chairmen and owners in the league. Nobody is perfect but he's done an excellent job.
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You should give Glaston lessons about how to speak sense without coming across as an annoying, smug twat.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
No i wasn't around then, but i would assume that a club with 7 FA cups, 2 leagues and 2 UEFA Cup wins wouldn't have been seen as big a club as one with 6 FA cups, 8 leagues and a European Cup win.

United have probably always been a bigger post-war 'name' than Spurs, and United have probably always had a bigger post-Munich support.

I wasn't around, but i'm assuming that a team with more fans and more major trophies would have been classed a bigger club back then, same as it would be now.

Not rubbishing Spurs, i actually think they're one of the more decent clubs out there, but whether anyone likes it or not in the 80's we were certainly a bigger club than Spurs and we were certainly a bigger and more recognised world footballing name. I know i'll get quoted and requoted on this but if you think Spurs have ever been a bigger club than United then you're entitled to your opinion but it's not true.
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I'm not saying Spurs were bigger, I'm saying that the difference back then wasn't that great at all, especially in an era when the UEFA cup was what it was back then and not the appalling competition that UEFA have made it. I know this can be hard for younger fans to visualise considering Man Utd have been all conquering for the past 20 years while Spurs have been midtable for most of it.

As I outlined earlier, you didn't have more 'major trophies' because back then, as unlike now, the FA cup and the UEFA cup were major trophies (Just as the UEFA cup would be now if it were to involve Real, Athletico, Napoli, AC Milan, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Borussia Dortmund etc etc). Your opinion on whether one club or another had more fans is completely subjective, even for people who were around back then.

Then, as I asked, you must have thought that Liverpool were a bigger club in 2006?

Anyway, this is a completely subjective thing, I've always found this whole big cub "my dick is bigger than yours" arguments very distasteful and I've already spent time I didn't have on this thread so I'll stop there.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I'm pretty confused by this notion from opposing fans that no-one will want to come play for us because we're managed by Moyes.

We're not Spurs, where if you had a Mourinho who then stepped down your pulling power might vanish. We're Manchester United, reigning English champions, the most successful in English history and.....we're Manchester United. Wouldn't expect someone supporting a team of nearly-men with little history to understand that but common sense would be a start.

Also i think it's pretty good that Spurs don't want to be a selling club, but the sad fact is that they are and will be until they're in the CL year in year out. It's only a matter of time until Bale leaves, whether he comes to us or not is a different story.
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Not really helped Arsenal..........! :smirk:
 
africanspur said:
I'm not saying Spurs were bigger, I'm saying that the difference back then wasn't that great at all, especially in an era when the UEFA cup was what it was back then and not the appalling competition that UEFA have made it. I know this can be hard for younger fans to visualise considering Man Utd have been all conquering for the past 20 years while Spurs have been midtable for most of it.
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I know the history of United pretty well though. I don't have to have been around in the 80's (i was actually born '87) to know how big certain clubs were. I've got family, i've got friends, i've got the internet, it's easy to get the opinions of those that were there. The difference in silverware wasn't a huge gulf, but you weren't as big a world wide name as we were, and you never have been (certainly not post-Munich anyway), regardless of who was winning what at the time. That's all my point was.

As I outlined earlier, you didn't have more 'major trophies' because back then, as unlike now, the FA cup and the UEFA cup were major trophies (Just as the UEFA cup would be now if it were to involve Real, Athletico, Napoli, AC Milan, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Borussia Dortmund etc etc). Your opinion on whether one club or another had more fans is completely subjective, even for people who were around back then.
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Yes we did. I consider 'major' as FA Cup, League and European Cup.

We had a combined total of 14 not counting '89/90.

You had a combined total of 9. 11 if you even include the UEFA cup. Even if you include the League Cup you still only had 13.
 
peterstorey said:
Their sense of entitlement is pure hubris... there will be tears.
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Eboue said:
This forum has vast reserves of righteous indignation that are brought out every time Chelsea or Manchester City decide to spend more money than Redcafe thinks they have earned, yet when Tottenham makes sound financial choices for themselves by not spending recklessly, they also get criticized. Brilliant.
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I agree, although a lot of the Bale stuff is just muppetry that glaston takes very seriously.
 
africanspur said:
You don't think a man like Levy who tends to run a tight financial ship (or has done at Spurs at least) would have helped a club who went bankrupt? And you don't think that kind of financial mismanagement (or of Leeds etc) is the kind of thing he's trying to avoid?
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Sometimes when you have a star like Bale, you have to push the boat out to keep him. I was shocked Bale signed that last contract, but that is testament to the boy's character.

Spur's needs a sugar Daddy to do a Chelsea.
 
africanspur said:
The Berbatov thing had nothing to do with not wanting to sell to you. He was willing to sell to you, for our price. 30 million. You didn't offer 30 million. On the last day, Man City did. You panicked when we accepted and offered 30 million as well.Not saying it was the right decision but that is what happened.

We kept him for another year to get into the top 4 and to tell Chelsea to feck off. We did both. There was nothing lucky about it. He said he wanted a Chelsea move. We said no. He didn't go to Chelsea. We moved him on abroad. Same as when you said Heinze wasn't going to Liverpool.

The reason Spurs fans like Levy is very simple. Look at where we were when he came. Look at where we are now. And then look at the majority of chairmen and owners in the league. Nobody is perfect but he's done an excellent job.
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That was Fergie's "value" thing, drove most of us mad.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
There seem to be a few posters on here that have never made a comment unless it's been to directly refute and then start an argument with someone else. Some people love it.
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tbf if that's the only kick their pathetic life needs, then I'm willing to react to their banter right now. Can't help but feel sorry for both.
 
KM said:
tbf if that's the only kick their pathetic life needs, then I'm willing to react to their banter right now. Can't help but feel sorry for both.
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It frustrates me most when someone quotes a throw away comment from like 2 pages ago, and then tries to get them to justify themselves even though the conversation has clearly moved on.

There was some guy the other day who misquoted me like 4 times, and then after i spent a bit of effort that i couldn't really be arsed to spend on putting him right he just didn't bother replying. Although i've seen since that he moved onto some other thread and did it to someone else. So pointless.

If someone does have an opinion that's against the grain doesn't mean they have to justify it to the point of death. In the pub it would probably be 'meh whatever' and forgotten about but online it just seems everyone's out to prove how clever they are.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
There was some guy the other day who misquoted me like 4 times, and then after i spent a bit of effort that i couldn't really be arsed to spend on putting him right he just didn't bother replying. Although i've seen since that he moved onto some other thread and did it to someone else. So pointless.
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Well then you clearly could be arsed spending effort on it then couldn't you.



^This is the sort of thing these sorts of people will say to make themselves look clued up.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
Well then you clearly could be arsed spending effort on it then couldn't you.



^This is the sort of thing these sorts of people will say to make themselves look clued up.
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With respect, you're rather condescending so it is understandable that people pick up on and object to your posts.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
There was some guy the other day who misquoted me like 4 times, and then after i spent a bit of effort that i couldn't really be arsed to spend on putting him right he just didn't bother replying. Although i've seen since that he moved onto some other thread and did it to someone else. So pointless.

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Quickly scrolls back to see if it was me...
phew it wasn't :angel:
 
That'sHernandez said:
With respect, you're rather condescending so it is understandable that people pick up on and object to your posts.
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I've never been condescending on here. It might look like it because of my writing style, but i haven't ever written a post with that tone, however it may come across.
 
Vasey20|13 said:
If someone does have an opinion that's against the grain doesn't mean they have to justify it to the point of death. In the pub it would probably be 'meh whatever' and forgotten about but online it just seems everyone's out to prove how clever they are.
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It's quite clear you can't let go, buddy.
 
Are we really comparing trophy hauls now?

Get a grip lads, what age are yous?
 
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