As per usual it all centres around sex, and particularly two men having sex. Of course the term gay only applies to men doesn't it? The fact it's about two people in love wanting to make a commitment is completely lost on those against it.
Gay Marriage
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Come on, langgy. Those opposed are uncomfortable and disgusted. We should ensure that their values trump the rights of what are obviously lesser beings, morally.
Oh shite, yeah, I forgot. My bad.
That's better!
Imagine a World where two people want to spend their entire life's with each other, disgusting.
Stop thinking about sex.
This isn't about sex, although two consensual adults can have sex if they see fit, be it straight or gay.
This is about 2 people in love wanting to share their lives together, why should this be exclusive to straight couples? why should a child that is orphaned or up for adoption be denied a loving, caring home and upbringing just because the adoptive parents happen to be a homosexual couple? Let me ask you this. do you believe that homosexuals choose to be gay? if yes then please send me your paypal details so that i can send you a fiver to go and buy yourself a clue. If No then it has absolutely no impact on the childs life if they are being brought up by two daddys or two mummys, so long as they child is being brought up in a loving home!
This is 2015 and homosexuality is not witchcraft, it is not evil.
I will go as far as to say that I am a straight man, but i would proudly walk in any march that helps promotes equal rights to homosexuals, this is about Love and frankly, there is far too much bullshit and hatred in this world to spend time denying rights to any people in love.
Guys in Ireland, Please vote Yes.
Tbf, it's a long haul and a generational thing. People would have got massacred in my day if they had two gay dads, which is what @Grinner and @Pogue Mahone where saying yesterday from their experiences as an older bunch.
There is a weird focus from the older folk on the actual gay sex act. Lesbianism is less penetrative I guess. I do think th pace of change towards acceptance has broadly been fairly rapid in my lifetime though.
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I totally get that, but the world has moved on.
Obviously this is only my opinion, but i feel that with education and understanding it is possible that this kind of behaviour eventually decline, in fact i would say that it has declined a fair bit and with Pop culture shows such as modern family for example, people are starting to realise that children that are going into these 'alternative' families are getting loving homes and proper well rounded upbringings.
Conversation about adoption, 2 dads, gay sex etc should probably be for another thread as it really has nothing to do with the topic of gay marriage and serves to confuse people.
A same sex couple in Ireland already have the same rights as a straight or married couple when it comes to adoption or raising children.
Members of the same sex can already have consenting sex legally in Ireland.
This referendum is not going to change any of that. It is simply going to:
a) Allow people who love each other (and who are still going to be together, still going to be homosexual whether or not it passes) to receive the same legal and constitutional protection as the rest of us.
b) Hopefully remove enough social stigma from the issue that less people will feel they need to hide and repress themselves, helping them avoid a life of depression and in far too many cases in Ireland anyway, thoughts of suicide because of something they have no control over.
At the end of the day, every No voter really has to look within themselves and decide whether their personal discomfort towards the subject, is truly more important than those two points.
A same sex couple in Ireland already have the same rights as a straight or married couple when it comes to adoption or raising children.
Members of the same sex can already have consenting sex legally in Ireland.
This referendum is not going to change any of that. It is simply going to:
a) Allow people who love each other (and who are still going to be together, still going to be homosexual whether or not it passes) to receive the same legal and constitutional protection as the rest of us.
b) Hopefully remove enough social stigma from the issue that less people will feel they need to hide and repress themselves, helping them avoid a life of depression and in far too many cases in Ireland anyway, thoughts of suicide because of something they have no control over.
At the end of the day, every No voter really has to look within themselves and decide whether their personal discomfort towards the subject, is truly more important than those two points.
I keep hearing this phrase "a mother can't be replaced" but everyone's forgetting about the lezzers in Ireland
It is becoming more mainstream- sounds daft but the guys in Modern Family probably help in there own way. Maybe the more they see it, the more people will accept it.
Wahey!
"To err is human; to admit it, superhuman." Can't say fairer than that.
It's madness, madness I tell you!
I had to reread the post several times to make sure I hadn't misunderstood
No bother lads, If I'm wrong I'm wrong no fecking point in trying to cover it up or go around the place like I wasn't. That would be just acting the prick.
I was busy enough for the last few days Jake and could only get to whip down 2 signs, I'll try my best to tear down a few more this evening I could do with a few for putting under the dog out in the shed anyways. They're great for keeping him dry.
Make sure ye all vote tomorrow anyways, I'll be the first one down at my own polling station in the morning.
Vote Yes for Equality and a Fairer Ireland.
Live and let Live.
TBP.
More people should think like this.
So, just as well I helped convince @The Black Pearl to do the right thing because I've just discovered I can't vote. I was born in England and have a British passport but moved to Ireland as a toddler, almost 40 years ago. Turns out this still means I'm a "resident British citizen" and don't get a vote in a referendum. Ho hum.
That's bizarre. Surely you have an irish passport?
Nope. Was born in the 70s, while living in the UK. That was an era when having an Irish passport was not a good thing at all. So my parents took the opportunity to get me a British passport. I could (probably should!) have got Irish citizenship at any point since but basically couldn't be arsed. Blissfully unaware it would have any impact on my rights.
Anyway, I went this morning and voted yes, of course. I can't imagine many people of my age group not voting yes. Obviously the yes vote will win but I do have a feeling there will still be a depressing percentage of no votes overall too.
So basically you're English and you mock me for being from Sligo all the time? Wanker.
Guilty as charged, m'lud.
Look it, English, Irish, Gay, not Gay, Metrosexual, Culchie, Jackeen, Foreign, Black, White or Yellow, at the end of the day we're fecking all the one and that's the way I'm looking at things from now on.
You'd make an exception for those shifty cnuts from Sligo though. right? I'm all for equal rights but let's not go crazy here.
True, it's not like Cina didn't leave a cloud of dust after them below in it either once he turned 20 and his mammy said you're old enough to go do what you want now son. A bee line for Dublin he made, and never looked back. Quare enough aul' spot Sligo alright.
So I says, blue M&M, red M&M, they all wind up the same colour in the end
I didn't even make it to 20, I was still 17 when I moved to Dublin.I think it's the Irish way that you'll happily harp on about how shit your hometown is yourself but if someone else insults it then you'll tell them to feck off and that it's great.
A bit like when Yanks complain about our weather, actually. "Feck off, go back to your shithole country then so, we're too good for ya."
I have had some bizarre conversations in the bar where I work.
I'll be voting Yes, but as an anarchist and unmarried father I must say that this is about extension of privilege more than it's about equality. I think marriage should be scrapped personally.
I'll be voting Yes, but as an anarchist and unmarried father I must say that this is about extension of privilege more than it's about equality. I think marriage should be scrapped personally.
Piss off Tommy.
On the Jackeen thing, ye can all get fecked, I never saw as many Union Jacks as when Charles was in Sligo the other day.
You're probably right (about marriage being an outmoded concept) but if you deny people a specific privilege due to their sexual preference then correcting that is about equality, surely?
Anyhoo. Turns out I'm just a blow-in, watching all you grubby Irish folk hopefully doing the right thing. Feeling surprisingly pissed off about my oversight . Only one vote but you have to lose that right to appreciate it!
Yep, I disagree with marriage as an institution, but I don't have any more of an issue with gay marriage then straight marriage. Although some people would struggle to differentiate between equality and extension of privilege
Towards Equality maybe, but for me it's either universal or just a system of privilege, if it's incremental it's not equality? Marriage itself is about priviliges too, especially from my perspective.
The silent NO side have been less silent this week in the bar. The best exchange between our cloth cap wearing brethern was "at this rate we'll have men with vaginas in 10 years" ... "sure why not if it's about equality, Walsh was in Toy-land last year and they have lasses with big knobs"
A lot of it is religion based. And their religion is based on a non questioning belief, or Faith as it was sold to them, so they've never provided an argument for anything they believe in.
Nice work brother, much respect, not for the Yes vote, but for being man enough to listen and change your mind.
Right., off to Dublin to vote, I really must cut the chord and immerse myself fully with these muck savages.
as a solicitor who does a lot of family law i am voting yes. i expect there will be plenty of work in gay divorce.
As I said Sligo is a quare enough sort of spot, they don't seem to know what or who the hell they are. Since you brought it up though I don't think I've ever seen as many Irish flags flying around Gort where himself and the wife were camped out for a few nights. I thought we were having another St. Patricks day until some lad told what was going on. You'll have all that though!
Sligo is a big Garrison town, lot's of big houses and Protestant Estates about the place, and then in contrast you have little 'green' outposts like Easkey village here in West Sligo. Mad little county altogether.
Shows how many times you have voted in your life too
You could be worse than me. I think I have voted about 3 times in my life
I've been living abroad, on and off, for most of my adult life tbf.
I think this is the first time I've been living at home while voting age, during a referendum. I'm allowed to vote in general elections, as a resident, no problem. It's only referenda I can't vote in.