General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Simbo said:
Youngsters are more easily led by simple manifesto's of 'throw money at everything and make the rich pay for it', hence Labour make massive efforts to encourage youngsters to vote.
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This. It's why I wouldn't be in favour of the voting age being lowered to 16.
 
Simbo said:
As opposed to a party actually concerned with keeping the country afloat with a potential shit storm over the horizon. Brexit negotiations start in 11 days, the idea of a Labour coalition going into that scares me.


Well yeh, true though.
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I can't see how you see May as a strong Negotiator.
 
I wasn't nervous this morning but I'm beginning to feel it now. I know what's going to happen and it will be another 5 years of austerity. It's a depressing thought.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
She isn't. She will get trampled underfoot and it will be us who will suffer for it.
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That's what I see. One leader has came out of this election with credit. The other One has almost thrown away an unassailable lead with how poor she has been. I am afraid that she takes this level of ineptitude into the Brexit Negotiations.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The EU have been clear that Britain will be allowed to withdraw its Article 50 notification. If the public would rather stay in the EU than leave on the terms the government has negotiated, it is democratically vital to have a referendum to express that.
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I don't remember this. It's quite crucial really, do you have an EU source please? It might actually change my opinion, if so.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Update on the current top 10, before we descend in to the chaos of tonight and tomorrow.

No real surprises. Nick's a notable omission. He made a good go of it, after a late start, but there was too much catching up to be done.

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Sake.

I'm getting the usual election night flutters now. My gut feel is heading in Labour's direction (not to win, just moderating the loss).
 
Ubik said:
I'm getting the usual election night flutters now. My gut feel is heading in Labour's direction (not to win, just moderating the loss).
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I have a feeling of dread that the Tories have won in a landslide (bigger than expected)
 
Simbo said:
Well if she was to be doing the negotiating I do think she'd be ok, no worse than Corbyn for sure. She won't be though, they employs others to do it.
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Corbyn has excelled in the last few weeks she has bundled along nearly throwing away a massive lead. I don't see her negotiating anything competently.

His campaign employees have been better than hers as well.
 
Meh, If I thought Tories were a safe majority I'd vote Lib Dems just as a Brexit protest but it does feel like Labour has huge support, more than last time around.

Ah well, off to the polls.
 
Badunk said:
No it didn't. If you actually believe in capitalism, you have to let failing businesses, even banks, die when they lose billions of pounds. Since the banks were bailed out, governments aren't in a position to do it again. And have the banks learned their lesson? No they haven't.
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Not insuring savings in banks arguably ruins capitablism. Arguably you could have a national bank that insured savings and other banks that don't. But to make banking as a whole risky, ruins capitalism.
 
rcoobc said:
Dunno, I'd go with;

1) NOT Triple locked the pensions. It's harsh, but when you are already shrinking the state, you can't then triple lock income for the older folks requiring even more cuts elsewhere. You could even argue it should have been cut (ouch)

2) Not cut local governments as much. Spending is important.

3) As house prices recovered, restrict the amount people can borrow for a mortgage (say to 4x instead of 4.5x). This would have helped cut the average house price, giving more money to renters and first time buyers. (The high average house price is one thing that's stopping our economy from really thriving). Also, take away stamp duty for first time buyers to help first time buyers.

4) Instead of cutting JSA look to fund retraining programs.

5) Instead of raising the Personal Allowance ever higher, provide some Universal Income. (maybe)

6) Reduce the additional tax bracket

Basically... spend on growth. If spending in any areas gives growth, don't cut it.
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Triple lock probably lib dem led, but yeah I see what you mean. I think it was the other cuts that meant the triple lock could offset some of these.

Local government spend is debatable. Local governments do waste a lot of money at times, e.g. Community projects and endless road works.

I'm not sure about the mortgage percentages. That would just be more people with no chance of buying a house stuck in renting which from a demand perspective would likely increase rental costs. Although interesting one as yes some potential for prices to drop in theory, so less debt so probably somewhere in the middle.

Retraining is a good idea... If it works. You could argue the horse has bolted and are these people interested in learning and working. They've had the chance and didn't take it. It might be a bad investment.

Universal income is an interesting one, had to Google that. Might just be cutting same pie a different way with same outcome.

I disagree about higher tax bracket. 40 percent is probably a good balance. I'm happy to pay 40 percent on the top end as feels a reasonable split and I feel I still take a decent share of higher earnings. Below that I'm probably paying less than I should and it's not going to change my motivation.
 
712 said:
I don't remember this. It's quite crucial really, do you have an EU source please? It might actually change my opinion, if so.
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European Council President Donald Tusk has said that he believes Article 50 can be reversed.

When asked if the UK could unilaterally withdraw its Article 50 notification during the next two years, he said, "Formally, legally, yes."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39291512
 
Isn't newcatle under lyme that love to get the results in first? They might face some issues tonight if people can't vote.
 
So what are peoples thoughts? Tory government? Feck I hope not.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Isn't newcatle under lyme that love to get the results in first? They might face some issues tonight if people can't vote.
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Nah, it is the Sunderland constituencies. Newcastle under Lyme will be around 4am
 
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