Bold bold policies. I mean, they are fantastic, and offer a lot of hope, but there must be something missing as there is no balancing whatsoever. It's a message I can get behind though, and hopefully it will resonate with voters more than fox hunting.
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Meh, I'll just wait for the manifesto to be published before I start thinking about it too seriously.
Which bits are pure fantasy, because none of that would be viewed as fantastical in Scandinavia
No idea how it would be funded but scrapping tuition fees would win a lot of votes.
Not sure what to make of the proposed policies but definitely bold.
Not sure what to make of the proposed policies but definitely bold.
Anyway, Labour again providing a vision for what the UK could be like.
The problem is the electorate would rather hate poor people, the disabled, and immigrants.
What is wonderful (and terrible) now, is that if any Conservatives try to make the argument 'you can't do this, it would be fiscally disastrous' I can literally laugh them off with "Brexit"
The problem is the electorate would rather hate poor people, the disabled, and immigrants.
What is wonderful (and terrible) now, is that if any Conservatives try to make the argument 'you can't do this, it would be fiscally disastrous' I can literally laugh them off with "Brexit"
The electorate would rather pay less income tax, end of point.
To be honest I'm in favour of them going this way. The reheated Milibandism with a less liked leader that we'd seen so far was taking them towards a defeat somewhere in the teens, might as well at least try something a bit more radical and see if it gets you anywhere. They aren't trusted on the economy anyway so it's not like carrying on pretending to care about that was going to be a votewinner.
Let's understand Brexit... Not a fecking thing has changed - compared to:
Bank of England: Carney (complcit with George Osborne (pre-BoE) re: US law v HSBC might.) The strength? Tory 1%ers.
Look at Osbornes last fart before vacating Chancellor of the ExChq... Quantative easing together with base rate of 0%.
Question: Where, if you were a bank with fecking greedy backers, would you invest oodles of dosh handed to you by a government with your intersts at heart? The 0% UK? Then... the pound. Oh dear! It's Brexit!
No. It's not. It's greedy fecking bankers!
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You wonder how LBC might decide who to bat for.
You don't even have to understand this, to get the basic idea.
https://corporatewatch.org/news/201...o-owners-pay-no-uk-tax-after-sending-millions
You don't even have to understand this, to get the basic idea.
https://corporatewatch.org/news/201...o-owners-pay-no-uk-tax-after-sending-millions
Doesn't LBC's views massively change depending on who is presenting?
Poor Torygraph.
Weren't a lot of the old "conspiracy theories" proved right after Thatcher's papers were declassified?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/
The night time bloke looks like he might be relatively harmless.
I'm not sure if you are serious, but there James O'Brian is amazing (and left wing)
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-chronic-unfairness-buy-to-let/
(12m36 as I know redcafe will cut it)
etc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ories-election-benefits-welfare-a7729096.html
On the plus side they'll all be receiving an owl delivered note from JK Rowling explaining that it's a price worth paying so Labour can get rid of Corbyn. So at worst, a good news/bad news situation for them all.
On the plus side they'll all be receiving an owl delivered note from JK Rowling explaining that it's a price worth paying so Labour can get rid of Corbyn. So at worst, a good news/bad news situation for them all.
What have I just heard, people giving a crap about the passport changing colour, Jesus wept
I'm not sure whether I'm reading this part of the manifesto correctly, but taking over the national grid seems batshit.
They only really have one progressive presenter in James O'Brien. The rest of them are awful and pretty much unbearable, especially that odious fat feck Nick Ferrari.
Especially if you dont also take over the dno's
The national grid thing seems like something that would have been removed. Non a fan of the policy on tution fees either but can see it may me tactical play. The manifesto isn't that radical really, enough for the papers to spin it as such but they'd do that with anything.
We are not a part of Scandinavia and Scandinavian countries are not facing an unprecedented economic event like Brexit in the next couple of years.
I will be interested to see the costings for all this.
Intuitively this makes me trust Corbyn's Labour less on the economy as it seems fantastical that the country can afford the level of public spending required to fulfill the leaked manifesto in the face of what will be a tumultuous economic period.
Whack 3p on the basic rate of tax & 15p on the top rate and we're all sorted, .
Which is an idea that is open to a great deal of erm... scepticism, obviously.
Alternatively, you can be on the side of cutting income tax (greatest gain for 'the haves') but balancing the budget by increasing / expanding the scope of VAT (greatest loss for 'the have-nots'). Conservatives may not be doing that this time, tbf.
Labour manifesto isn't gonna run well with the media, the Establishment or the wealth creators or anyone who is supportive of the idea that you should have as much control over the spending of the money that they earn & believe that individuals have little or no obligation toward the rest of the society that they live in. ''My 3rd holiday is more important than your breakfast''. The causes of people not having any breakfast are 'complex' obviously.
Anyway, more interestingly than the poorly crafted ideological diatribe - the nervous wreck May was wibbling on about ''controlled intervention in certain markets'' the other morning which I thought was slightly interesting - that would be a bit of a shift of attitude, and is likely to get swiftly shot down / forgotten about, post of the landslide.
Where's the coverage of her being a nervous wreck, btw?
edit - ah, Corcyn's a useless tosser for managing to have it leaked.
TRUST CORBYN LESS !!! FIRST LEAK EVER !!!
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.Which is an idea that is open to a great deal of erm... scepticism, obviously.
Alternatively, you can be on the side of cutting income tax (greatest gain for 'the haves') but balancing the budget by increasing / expanding the scope of VAT (greatest loss for 'the have-nots'). Conservatives may not be doing that this time, tbf.
Labour manifesto isn't gonna run well with the media, the Establishment or the wealth creators or anyone who is supportive of the idea that you should have as much control over the spending of the money that they earn & believe that individuals have little or no obligation toward the rest of the society that they live in. ''My 3rd holiday is more important than your breakfast''. The causes of people not having any breakfast are 'complex' obviously.
Anyway, more interestingly than the poorly crafted ideological diatribe - the nervous wreck May was wibbling on about ''controlled intervention in certain markets'' the other morning which I thought was slightly interesting - that would be a bit of a shift of attitude, and is likely to get swiftly shot down / forgotten about, post of the landslide.
Where's the coverage of her being a nervous wreck, btw?
edit - ah, Corcyn's a useless tosser for managing to have it leaked.
TRUST CORBYN LESS !!! FIRST LEAK EVER !!!
(((blue passports)))
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Bloke here on BBC Breakfast saying it's just like 1983 - I am doubting somehow he's done a forensic analysis of the '83 manifesto on a strict compare / contrast basis with the rumoured contents of this one - he then interrupts the next woman invited to speak just to say ''Labour are a mess'' This is how politics works I suppose.
I'd take his vote off him,.
I'd take his vote off him,
.I wish Labour could draft him in for PMQs
I can only deduce that the Labour manifesto is designed to appeal to as many liberal pressure groups and demographics as possible to create enough votes in the GE as to make the overthrow of the left in the party very difficult after a Tory cakewalk.
Labour getting some serious stick from what's been leaked so far.
But the whole thing just seems quite uninspired to me. Chuck the kitchen sink at it, and let's see what sticks.
But the whole thing just seems quite uninspired to me. Chuck the kitchen sink at it, and let's see what sticks.
I'm not seeing what is so out there in the manifesto for this comment, could you explain more?
I mean, taking rail franchises into state control as they come up is sensible, its a failed system as it is, and it adds no purchase cost in that way. We currently spend £4.3 billion a year, or a third more in real terms than British Rail cost, just in subsidies for the franchises after all.
Similarly a state owned energy supplier in each region is what you get in Germany, its a much more effective way of controlling prices than a watchdog owned by the companies it is supposed to oversee.
Free education, a return of sure start (that is proven to work) and investment in people and the country seem sensible to me. Especially after brexit, i would argue that such actions will be essential if we are to survive it.
Lets wait to see the costings.
Do you know what the cost of renationalising all these industries will be? What the cost of walking away from trade with Saudi Arabia will be? How the increase in minimum wage and employee rights will affect the attractiveness of the UK as a place to do business for foreign and even domestic investors.
You can talk about how the ideological, moral and ethical factors of all these policies are worthwhile but the crucial question for this country, at this time, is how they can be implemented in the face of the economic turmoil that will most likely occur because of Brexit. Costing them against the current economic climate is misleading, we have to see some justification beyond that.
Costings need to be seen for sure, but given they promise independent judgment that everything is fully costed will be released with the manifesto, at this point I am interested in the reaction to the policies.
More detail next week will be helpful, but I guess at the minute I look at what they propose and see very little that is really much beyond what would be centrist policy all over europe, with a center left take on defense.
More detail next week will be helpful, but I guess at the minute I look at what they propose and see very little that is really much beyond what would be centrist policy all over europe, with a center left take on defense.
Not sure about of all of the renationalising costs... but I suspect the railways would cost nothing to take into public ownership since they would just just take it back gradually as and when existing contracts expire rather than buying anyone out. They already own Network Rail.
Given the opposition are looking at walking away from trade with Europe ("no deal is better than a bad deal" etc.)... I am not sure Saudi Arabian trade should be high on the list of concerns for our economy in that respect.
The minimum wage argument seems to ignore the fact that people with more disposable income will spend more which in turn helps to boost the economy and increase revenues for many businesses. The money goes back into the economy... it doesn't just go under a mattress. A country where people have a higher level of disposable income should be a more attractive proposition for a lot of business investment.
What will the ongoing operational costs of these various renationalisations amount to? How many billions each year?
And a ban on driverless trains? For whose benefit? Not the majority of 'workers' in this scenario.
If they were thinking more creatively/practically, we could remove the driver but institute guards for security on late services (and still be better off).
And a ban on driverless trains? For whose benefit? Not the majority of 'workers' in this scenario.
If they were thinking more creatively/practically, we could remove the driver but institute guards for security on late services (and still be better off).
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This might be the most sensible post written in this thread so far.
But - on the minimum wage. They will be increasing it from an already planned increase of £9, to £10 by 2020. A rise of 11% on what is expected anyway. Didn't the Tories increase if from £6.70 to £7.20... Already a 7.5% increase? We seem to have survived.
The twist is that The Tories can't call them out on these figures against the negative impact of Brexit because they have to deny there will even be one! Nice play from the Labour strategists. No doubt McDonnell had a big hand in this.
@rcoobc
It isn't sensible. The increase in corporation tax and employee rights will make it unattractive. The minimum wage is only a small factor. You have to consider that this will be in the light of an economy facing an unprecedented challenge for the short to medium term.
Regarding Saudi Arabia, that is against the assumption that we leave the EU and face an economic slowdown. Walking away from one of our biggest remaining export markets?
@rcoobc
It isn't sensible. The increase in corporation tax and employee rights will make it unattractive. The minimum wage is only a small factor. You have to consider that this will be in the light of an economy facing an unprecedented challenge for the short to medium term.
Regarding Saudi Arabia, that is against the assumption that we leave the EU and face an economic slowdown. Walking away from one of our biggest remaining export markets?
They can't do that specifically but they really don't need to. The tories screaming murder on Labours economic credibility will work until Labour are back in power or the Tories themselves reside over an economic event.
Sadly that economic event is probably around the corner. If we see house prices go down at all it may trigger.
Well indeed, so our first priority has to be to getting a trade agreement and staying in the single market.
Which may or may not be in Labour's manifesto
If it is, then asking to stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia is small in comparison
I think you strongly overestimate the impact of a rise in corporation tax or an improvement in employee rights... or have you seen a big slow down in France or Germany's economy because of their higher rates? Our rates were significantly higher 20 years ago. Our rates at the moment are pretty low in comparison.
I see what you are saying that with a Brexit imposed economic slow down... we should protect our export markets such as Saudi Arabia. I just think maybe we should care a hundred times more about protecting our European export market which is significantly larger and more important.
Marxist? What hyperbolic nonsense from Cable. There's nothing in the leaked manifesto that would be out of place in most other European social democracies in some form or another.