I worry that Tim Farron lacks the charisma.The Lib Dems are waaay to the right of Labour! Waaaaaaaaaayyyy to the right
Well, sometimes
Right now they are they only sensible choice. Pro-EU, centre-liberals. Wont run the country into the ground like labour. Won't run the country into the ground like Tories.
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Lol at the Lib Dem love in here. I'm just as pro European and progressive as most of you here, but are we forgetting 2010?
By all means vote for them in a Tory-LD battleground though to flush out the cnuts and give us a fighting chance for a hung parliament and progressive coalition...i can dream.
By all means vote for them in a Tory-LD battleground though to flush out the cnuts and give us a fighting chance for a hung parliament and progressive coalition...i can dream.
He definitely lacks the charisma
Well you're just voting for the sake of it then!
Farron will have one more person to keep him company in Parliment
May wants to consolidate power before Labour replace Corbyn. The latter is safe as the Labour leader (for now) so it's the perfect opportunity to add a few extra years to the Tory government.
He not only lacks charisma, but is a Christian fundamentalist who has a history of voting against choice on abortion and against gay marriage....which isn't very liberal really.
Edit: As pointed out by Ubik this is not true. He generally abstains regarding abortion and voted for gay marriage although he does have unusual views for a liberal leader, but I'll learn my lesson and leave it there.
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The thing with 2010....
Look at the lib dem policies that got through. Huge increases to personal allowance, worth £1k a year to low earners, and locking the state pension
"Along with the much-touted pledge to scrap income tax on earnings up to £10,000, it features guarantees to protect the state pension and increase pay for service personnel"
The lib Dems massively fecked up with tuition fee rises, but the new tuition fee system is comparable in some ways. You only pay on a higher amount and it's scrapped after 30 years.
They were canon fodder
They were to some extent, but were also heavily involved in that governments key disasters, notably the PO privatisation stitch up.
This is not true.
They fecked up alright. Look, I actually have time for the LDs, but they aren't these clutch saviours that will save us from our hard brexit. Best they can hope for is a couple of seats gained. If it's at Labours expense then we're getting a hard brexit anyhow.
This is why it's important to vote tactically, voting lib dem in a Tory-Labour battleground is practically gifting the sociopathic Tory loons. Go nuts in a LD-Tory scenario though, definitely would like to see more Richmond Parks
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Mixed picture but not quite what i would expect of a "Liberal".
Shit. Neither it is. Should fact check before posting bollocks and believing what I hear without validating. Apologies Mr. Farron.
Farron's generally got a decent enough record when it comes to gay rights, but he's been kind of hesitant a few times when it comes to his own personal views...and I'm not sure that'll go down with a lot of liberal types torn between Labour/LD/Greens. If Cable comes back and does win a seat, he'd make for a far better leader. Even throwing Clegg back in might not be the worst option.
This thread has become a perfect example of the toxic divisiveness the Tory party has instilled upon the nation. And people lap it up.
It doesn't matter who you vote for just make sure it's all the same party and get those cnuts out. The next 5 years are going to be so important for this country. I dread to think what 5 more years of them will finish us up like.
It doesn't matter who you vote for just make sure it's all the same party and get those cnuts out. The next 5 years are going to be so important for this country. I dread to think what 5 more years of them will finish us up like.
That parts true. I'd say they were good at neutering the Tories on social policy and on the issue of the EU, but not too effective when it came to economic policy because for the most part they sort of disagreed with a fair bit of what Cameron's administration were doing.
Interestingly this time, I think Farron's saying he won't go into coalition without a promised switch to PR. Not that it's going to happen, but something I can get behind at least.
That seems reasonable, even if just as a campaign promise to rally people a little bit.
The problem is that the UK electorate aren't really accustomed to coalitions. The Lib Dems were, rightly or wrongly seen as the party who enabled a Tory agenda, and that's unlikely to change because of the FPTP system we operate within. Granted, the Lib Dems were a bit shite for a party who held a decent amount of power, and they enabled their own demise with a really limp 2015 campaign...but still, would take that administration over this one comfortably.
Yeah as a country we seem more attracted to clear one-party control, so we can then moan about them doing silly stuff as they go a bit power crazy with no check on them. Have to say even I sour a bit when you consider that the 2015 result would provide a Tory-UKIP coalition, but to be fair that's basically what we've got anyway.
I support PR, but is that the most critical matter to go to the trenches over? I guess the argument is long term gain, but immediate curtailing of the Tories would seem more urgent to me, especially given the current circumstances.
True, although it's probably also worth noting that the mechanics of a PR-operating UK government would work very differently anyway to the point where many parties would be unrecognisable. The Tories could fracture into two with their more liberal wing against their very conservative one, Labour would almost certainly be two parties and the Greens would perhaps become more prominent. And increased prominence for UKIP would've meant more candidates on show, and considering their main candidates are often incredibly embarrassing people may have been turned off when the shite lingering below the shite started to emerge.
Well in such a situation where a Tory-Lib Dem coalition was possible, say with similar numbers to 2010, the Tories would be unable to govern without their support and so they'd have an extremely strong hand to play (and no recent recessions to necessitate a show of stability). To be fair I think he said this whilst going for the LD leadership, so a second referendum would probably supplant it as a demand these days. All academic anyway
I am exercising my democratic right.
What divisiveness? I honestly don't know what government I'd prefer in the Brexit negotiation hotseat tbh.
You want to kidnap a black man, ship him across the world and force him to work for you? Are you sure you've thought this all the way through..?
In a weird way the very fact we're discussing the Lib Dems in any sort of depth at all can only be a good thing for them. After 2015 they became dangerously irrelevant for a good while. Despite only polling 4% more or so, UKIP were being talked about much more and seemed to hold a greater influence.
Already in this thread the Lib Dems are getting mentioned much, much more than UKIP, and I've seen plenty of talk about them on Twitter, some of it fairly critical. But still...a party getting mentioned regularly is one drawing attention and presumably some interest, and a party drawing interest tends to be doing something right, even if only from their own perspective. If they can turn that into support they'll potentially influence the government without having to have too many seats in the same way UKIP have done with Brexit. Even just taking a few Tory seats would help them massively in that regard.
Already in this thread the Lib Dems are getting mentioned much, much more than UKIP, and I've seen plenty of talk about them on Twitter, some of it fairly critical. But still...a party getting mentioned regularly is one drawing attention and presumably some interest, and a party drawing interest tends to be doing something right, even if only from their own perspective. If they can turn that into support they'll potentially influence the government without having to have too many seats in the same way UKIP have done with Brexit. Even just taking a few Tory seats would help them massively in that regard.
Yeah I agree, we're basically a multiparty electorate having to make two-party decisions at the moment, and its having a dire effect on the state of the opposition in particular. Everyone wants the parties to have a realignment but no-one's going to do it under the current system unless there's nothing to lose.
After this election, the Tories could fracture into two parties and still hold a comfortable majority.
The Daily Heil have taken the odd step of paying tribute to Lenin on today's front page.
it's a fair point, Lib Dems are one of the few anti-Brexit parties out their and are likely to pick up a few votes becuase of that, but their spell in coalition government and the basic selling of the parties vote for that Alternative Vote Referendum, really hurt the party, can't see them making much gains, their hardly poling better then they did in 2015.
UKIP seem completely irrelevant now, the main thing they have been arguing for is happening.....they seem to have no idea what to do now, i expect them to drift away into irrelevance.
I'm not sure...there is the sort of legitimised BNP aspect to them that now has a platform and might limp on for a bit yet.
Without UKIP skimming off the Conservative vote, and with the Lib Dems detracting more from Labour than Tory, I can see a Conservative landslide here.
ow im sure they will stay around in some form or other.... but i don't think they will get near 12.6% of the vote again
I've never voted in the general election before because I never, ever saw the point.
I need someone to explain how this one will be any different if at all. The results of this are already obvious aren't they?
I need someone to explain how this one will be any different if at all. The results of this are already obvious aren't they?