A definite thing up in Scotland. A lot of people are more conservative than they realise, or are moderate in general but very conservative on one or two topics.
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A definite thing up in Scotland. A lot of people are more conservative than they realise, or are moderate in general but very conservative on one or two topics.
Your dad's really a die hard Labour man because Brown shouted "feck off you tartan Tory" at him? That's brilliant, needs to be Labour's new Scottish Policy. In all seriousness they need a message of unity throughout Liberal Britains to defeat the Torries.
Thanks, haven't seen this. Interesting stuff.
@Mr Pigeon So Gordon Brown told your dad to feck off ? 
I remember gaining a lot of respect for Brown when he thought that old lady was a bigot(She was and still is).
I remember gaining a lot of respect for Brown when he thought that old lady was a bigot(She was and still is).
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Is the percentage in the parenthesis the turnout at the last election or something else?
Don't know honestly.
As for recently(I could be totally wrong here), isn't Bernie biggest base young women and even during the primaries wasn't he beating Clinton with the young women vote ?
Edit - No the percentage in parenthesis is the expected turn out of older voters(40+).
@Mr Pigeon So Gordon Brown told your dad to feck off ?
I remember gain a lot of respect for Brown when thought that old lady was a bigot(She was and still is).
There's a backstory to it all - they went to high school together, but yes my dad insists that it was Gordon who said it to him in the middle of Edinburgh.
The tartan tory bit. Gordon Brown has never called my dad a bigoted woman.
Cheers.
I think I like Gordon Brown a little bit more now(Almost admire New Labour utter contempt for the general public in some ways), although I'm sure your dad is a nice bloke.
I've met him a few times (Gordon Brown that is, met my dad many more times), as I've probably said on a few occasions here. When he was a politician he was really polite, even when he was PM. He was my local MP as well but I saw him at a lot of corporate events. As soon as he retired I saw him a few months later at an event and he was a total cockwomble.
Bet this wasn't at all stilted or awkward.
Press release
PM meeting with European Commission President: 27 April 2017
From:
Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street and The Rt Hon Theresa May MP
First published:
26 April 2017
Prime Minister Theresa May met with President Juncker of the European Commission tonight in Downing Street.
A No 10 spokesperson said:
The PM had a constructive meeting this evening with President Juncker of the European Commission.
Following the UK’s letter of notification under Article 50, she reiterated the UK’s commitment to achieving a deep and special partnership with the European Union.
The PM and President Juncker also discussed a range of other international issues in a useful working dinner.
Press release
PM meeting with European Commission President: 27 April 2017
From:
Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street and The Rt Hon Theresa May MP
First published:
26 April 2017
Prime Minister Theresa May met with President Juncker of the European Commission tonight in Downing Street.
A No 10 spokesperson said:
The PM had a constructive meeting this evening with President Juncker of the European Commission.
Following the UK’s letter of notification under Article 50, she reiterated the UK’s commitment to achieving a deep and special partnership with the European Union.
The PM and President Juncker also discussed a range of other international issues in a useful working dinner.
Get your dog-whistles out, Zac is back.
16 points, this is a bit more realistic
Must have been a left leaning person throwing the darts at the YouGov board today. Check back tomorrow for the next instalment.
That's magnificent.
Confusingly, red =/= Labour, etc. Red just means people wwho vote based on policies.
Well this would at least cheer up some of you on election night
Well this would at least cheer up some of you on election night
Wonder who their biggest scalp will be. Imagine if they got fecking Corbyn.
If it was in the worst case scenario of the current polls, Ed M could goWonder who their biggest scalp will be. Imagine if they got fecking Corbyn.
When you look at the list of those who have MPs under a 10,000 majority though (the supposed point under which you're at risk)...you have to think that's some severe expectations management going on. Even losing all those up to a 5,000 majority would be about 50-60 losses, which is already crazy.
Wonder who their biggest scalp will be. Imagine if they got fecking Corbyn.
On a uniform swing John Woodcock and Ian Austin are the most high profile pair at threat. But if you look at the speciifcs of the seats, I think Clive Lewis is is at definite risk.
They've let Johnson out. This could be where the tide turns.
Reckon he's quite safe. Was listening to 5live the other day. They sent a reporter into Islington to get people's views there on Corbyn. I remember the reporter saying "you'd have to go a long way in Islington to find anyone with a bad word to say about Corbyn".Wonder who their biggest scalp will be. Imagine if they got fecking Corbyn.
I hope for a Labour victory. What would make it even better is if we win and Woodcock loses his seat.
This vox pop piece in the Grauniad probably showed the kind of views you'd expect in such a strong Remain seat as his. No-one really dislikes him, but they dont always approve of his actions as leader.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/04/corbyn-street-split-labour-brexit-islington
Don't believe any of this, polls like this must be scrapped and are nothing more than fake news. It isn't really taking into account the tory voters because lets face it, there's a bit of a stigma around voting tory.
So Boris says Corbyn is a mugwump
I'm assuming there is another meaning than the naked lunch / bomb the bass one?
"Bug powder dust and mugwump jism
The wild boys runnin into interzone trippin..."
Is there a stigma to voting tory? Could there not be a stigma to voting Labour at this point?
They call it 'shy Tory syndrome' i.e. people that secretly vote Tory because of the stigma of the 'nasty party'. Perhaps being nasty is en vogue at the moment though.
Niche reference of the year award goes to you. I had that on 12" when it came out.
Yeah I know, I'm just saying, it's not exactly a stigma when 50% of the UK are openly voting for them.
Maybe shy Tory syndrome has died a little bit. They can't be even more popular than the polls are suggesting, surely.
The thing is the Brexiteers are no longer shy about it so im not sure we'll see a shy tory element in the polls.
I think voting Labour has more stigma at this point
Yeah I agree at least amongst voters over 35. Because of Corbyn's supposed ineptitude, a lot of people are struggling to admit they would vote for him. There's a lot of "I would vote for Labour if not for Corbyn" voters out there.
Might be the first election since Thatcher where the Shy Tory syndrome is less of a factor.
Also I really do think Pollsters are aware of the shy Tory effect and, if anything, are going to be over-adjusting to account for it.
Thought this was a good article on the failure of polling in this country too although it's not massively relevant to my post: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...cret-opinion-polls-general-election-why-wrong
What's your argument here? That UK polls are made up or biased against the Labour Party, thusly significantly under reporting the level of support that Jeremy has?
How does that tally up against the pollsters' performance in recent elections, which tends to under report the conservative vote and over represent Labour voters?
There are plenty of valid reasons to attack the Tories. Descending the campaign into online conspiracy nonsense will make the far left look more and more like Trump's supporters. You'll look back on this and cringe one day.