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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
PedroMendez said:
I am in principle for a much simpler tax code and one that is less distortive. Let’s not have the debate why some specific forms of taxation suck. That does not lead us anywhere. All I can say is that I am absolutely convinced that inherence and wealth taxes are a truly horrible idea, that have many unintended effects, that nobody wants.
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So aside from the rich hiding their money away like squirrels during the last days of autumn, or moving it abroad... what are these negative consequences?

And why are they so profound compared to the negative consequences of various taxes of income which current stand at nearly 55% in the uk for the highest earners when taking into account various national insurance contributions.
 
Just been to vote in the local elections, outside the polling station there where kids dressed in Karate Suits, I can only assume they are doing it to protest the unfortunately large UKIP vote in the area, by demonstrating how foreign cultures have had a great influence on our society, for instance the introduction of the noble sport of Karate……… either that or they use the school for weekly Karate classes, I like to think its the former.
 
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Just been to vote in the local elections, outside the polling station there where kids dressed in Karate Suits, I can only assume they are doing it to protest the unfortunately large UKIP vote in the area, by demonstrating how foreign cultures have had a great influence on our society, for instance the introduction of the noble sport of Karate……… either that or they use the school for weekly Karate classes, I like to think its the former.
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I got talking to a 95-year old Greek man who lives in London outside mine. He said he'd just retired today and was celebrating by going on a piss-up.
 
Early results tonight suggesting...Bad.
 
Political scientist Professor John Curtice says on the basis of the key wards in so far - from Cumbria, Gloucestershire and Essex - there appears to be a very strong swing from Labour to the Conservatives, compared with 2013.

"On average, it is currently running at 9%, a swing that is certainly in line with the claim of the opinion polls that the Conservatives enjoy a substantial double-digit lead over Labour in popularity across the UK as a whole," he says.
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It's basically a Tory wave. UKIP and Labour drowning.
 
  • There is a very substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives which is currently averaging some nine points. If this continues this will point towards a strong double-digit Conservative lead over Labour across the country as a whole
  • The UKIP vote is collapsing heavily and so far is down on average by 15 points in wards they fought this time and last time
  • The Lib Dem performance is very patchy but at the moment suggests that the party may not be doing significantly better than they did in 2013. There is little sign here of the much touted Lib Dem revival
  • These voting patterns are clearly reflected in the pattern of gains and losses so far with Labour losing more than half the seats it's trying to defend - while the Conservatives have already made net gains
  • The Lib Dems have lost six seats in England, while UKIP had lost every single one of the 9 seats it was trying to defend
  • Meanwhile, the Conservatives have won control of Warwickshire and look likely to do so in Lincolnshire
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Barry Gardiner is doing an admirable job of the impossible here.
 
rcoobc said:
Average returns across the global market is 7% a year. Hedge funds should beat that, or aren't really doing their jobs.

40% inheritance tax is too high, but one years average returns is too little.
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Its 40% of everything over 750000, most estates will pay an effective rate well under that %
 
New Conservative slogan: 'Please vote for the Prime Minister who's so useless that she hides from the public like the Elephant Man before he was hospitalised'.
 
PedroMendez said:
Where you levy taxes doesn’t determine who actually has to bear the costs. That is undisputed and 100% established fact. Consequently, some slogans like “higher taxes for corporations/big companies” sound great, but the costs of these taxes are not bearded by who you think - at least not to a significant part. That’s something that gets almost completely ignored in the public debate about corporate tax codes.

I am for lower taxes, but I recognise that there are also reasonable arguments for higher taxes. Many politicians who campaign for lower taxes base their arguments on nonsense. So I might agree with them, but I am still annoyed but much of their reasoning. That’s why I happily concede, that raising income tax rates (or reversing some former cuts) is certainly not destroying the economy. That kind of scaremongering is obviously wrong and not helpful. These decisions are always about trade-offs and it would be great if both sides were able to concede that these things are not entirely one-sided.

I am in principle for a much simpler tax code and one that is less distortive. Let’s not have the debate why some specific forms of taxation suck. That does not lead us anywhere. All I can say is that I am absolutely convinced that inherence and wealth taxes are a truly horrible idea, that have many unintended effects, that nobody wants.
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Corporation tax is payed by the consumer. However as it is a tax on profit so competition means a company can't price in corporation tax into their prices.

Inheritance tax is as fair a tax as they come. The inheritor gets a massive sum of money and assets for doing feck all. Abolishing that whilst work is taxed a perfect illustration of entrenched wealth
 
Think the mayor elections are the big ones, i cant see the rest of the results having much relevance.

One to the tories on that so far. Manchester has to be Burnham
 
You have to turn past my house to access a school with a polling station in. If there was a car every 15minutes after 4pm I'd be surprised.

My Mum's been working with a large group of Labour voters in the North West to target marginal areas like Weaver Vale etc, but the party decided to give the candidacy to a more experienced Mike Amesbury who I believe didn't get his Manchester first pick, as opposed to a young local lady whose been doing great things and has a lot of local support. The group of 30+ who had planned to assist in Weaver Vale gave up on it and are focusing their attention on Crewe where they think they have a chance where a similar lady has been given the candidacy. I think Weaver Vale was Conservative by 800 votes out of 25,000 cast at the last GE.

The old lady is much more left leaning than I so I try and leave her to it but I admire her and her groups optimism and work ethic whilst many other Labour voters sit there with their head in their hands doing feck all about this mess.
 
Smores said:
Think the mayor elections are the big ones, i cant see the rest of the results having much relevance.

One to the tories on that so far. Manchester has to be Burnham
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I'd be amazed if anyone beats Burnham in Manchester. I would have voted for him myself but recently moved house and didn't get registered in time.

Couldn't help but chuckle when I saw UKIP's candidate, an orthodox Jew called Shneur Odze.
 
^ Hopefully Manchester's experience with elected mayors goes better than London's.

@ThierryHenry - Do you think Creasy will lose any votes in response to the somewhat controversial cycling scheme being created there? Not enough to overhaul such a majority of course, but it seems to be a very marmite issue in those parts of London where it is being introduced.
 
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I can understand, almost, voting Tory at national level (safer with economy etc. etc.), but at local level? Do these people not realise what will happen to social care and healthcare in their respective regions? Madness. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
I've definitely been less happy since I cared about politics. It's the recurring realisation that most of the country has very different views that hurts.
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This. Used to think I was living in a very progressive open country. Last 18 months has been a shock to the system. Now realise we are no different from the Yanks I used to make fun of.
 
altodevil86 said:
I can understand, almost, voting Tory at national level (safer with economy etc. etc.), but at local level? Do these people not realise what will happen to social care and healthcare in their respective regions? Madness. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
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It is precisely because healthcare it is a local issue that Labour's reputation is not what it was. Be it hospital closures or that of A&E or maternity units, the party was no angel. Throw in PFI and the only two ruling factions can be doubted with equal measure. Labour is not this cuddly, caring politics that so many would suggest it to be.
 
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Adisa said:
For who?
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The national discourse. Id rather not have their kind spreading hate and whipping up their voter base further. Okay it'll help the tories but they're winning either way.
 
rcoobc said:
So aside from the rich hiding their money away like squirrels during the last days of autumn, or moving it abroad... what are these negative consequences?

And why are they so profound compared to the negative consequences of various taxes of income which current stand at nearly 55% in the uk for the highest earners when taking into account various national insurance contributions.
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Those figures a bit out in reality, from the governments own figures about the tax burden:

In the UK, in 2015-16, the bottom 10% of households had an average gross income of £10,992 and payed, on average, £4,662 {42.05%} in direct and indirect taxes.


In the UK, in 2015-16, the top 10% of households had an average gross income of £110,643 and payed, on average, £37,897 {34.25%} in direct and indirect taxes.

Financial year ending 2016

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Smores said:
The national discourse. Id rather not have their kind spreading hate and whipping up their voter base further. Okay it'll help the tories but they're winning either way.
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Not sure when the Tpries have taken the party over because they're doing those things themselves.
 
Unmutual said:
Well, shit, have a cigar mate, well done.

McDonnell is such a tosser.
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Prepare for more of this in June, no way he's ceding control of the party without fecking it over a little bit more first. "Some people were talking about us falling to 120 seats" etc.
 
Adisa said:
Not sure when the Tpries have taken the party over because they're doing those things themselves.
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The Government is pushing for the burke ban too now? I'd have expected even Corbyn to make more out of that one.
 
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
^ Hopefully Manchester's experience with elected mayors goes better than London's.

@ThierryHenry - Do you think Creasy will lose any votes in response to the somewhat controversial cycling scheme being created there? Not enough to overhaul such a majority of course, but it seems to be a very marmite issue in those parts of London where it is being introduced.
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Without doubt. It was a hugely unpopular change, has funnelled traffic through the centre of Walthamstow solely onto two main (already busy) roads, while businesses in the cycling-friendly zones have been hit as drivers can no longer park near their shops. There have been multiple protests at the town hall about it, though I know nothing of their size. Labour rule the council so any backlash would obviously be directed at them and Stella. My Dad won't be voting for her due to a combination of that + Corbyn.

That said, she's very popular, visible and an excellent local MP. I'd assume she won't maintain the ludicrously high vote share achieved in 2015, but we'd have to be talking apocalypse scenarios for the Labour Party before they're losing seats like Walthamstow.

Though I'm actually voting in Vauxhall this time. Will want to learn more about the Lib Dem candidate first, but will enjoy a Brexit-inspired vote against Kate Hoey.
 
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