I think most of them aren't watching the news either, let alone political satire. If you could mainstream TV it then it could help though. Get Mrs Brown and her mutant family talking about it, or whatever shite it takes to get people to get involved.
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I think most of them aren't watching the news either, let alone political satire. If you could mainstream TV it then it could help though. Get Mrs Brown and her mutant family talking about it, or whatever shite it takes to get people to get involved.
Er, wow
Country has officially gone to the dogs. Worst political landscape in my lifetime.
The key to getting more young people to vote will clearly be online voting... I think more needs to be done to make it a reality. It feels to me like they are delaying the inevitable by making excuses about it being difficult and hacking/security concerns.
In the future it will be the norm. I can't believe that in 20 or 30 years, people will still have to turn up in person at a polling booth and write on a piece of card. It's easy to say it's just laziness on the part of the younger generation and I can understand that point... but they are growing up in an era where they can do almost everything they need to remotely using just a phone, computer etc.
In the future it will be the norm. I can't believe that in 20 or 30 years, people will still have to turn up in person at a polling booth and write on a piece of card. It's easy to say it's just laziness on the part of the younger generation and I can understand that point... but they are growing up in an era where they can do almost everything they need to remotely using just a phone, computer etc.
That Tees Valley result means more Lib Dems put Tories as second pref over Labour, wtf?
Given you've said you want voters to go to the Tories, it would seem so.
But Corbyn is bad so Tories win = Corbyn goes. Then Labour are saved?
We just have to ignore the Tories winning and what it means because Corbyn is bad and needs to go. So go Tories!
Better fewer, but better.
The one possible bright side of this Tpry rampage is that maybe once they've got total power and wiped out all opposition to them, at this stage perhaps they'll bring back the cane? A lot of young people could do with a good smack. Maybe that and the workhouses will get them to finally vote!
The smugness and moral superiority you continue to show is really quite astounding at times.
One of the nicest things anyone has said to me in years. Also one of the most hypocritical things I've seen in that time, but I'll take the compliment.
Institutions that played traditionally an important role in mobilizing people and connecting parties to them are losing relevance for young citizens. Yet the new forms of societal organization are not represented by the traditional parties and are less suited to mobilize people to join/organize/support national parties.
With all these results coming in I feel as dejected as the early morning of the Brexit vote when it was clear remain was dying 
What made them unelectable from 97 onwards was the alternative on offer. 83, 92 & 2015 showed that no matter how nasty and divisive the Tories are, that fact alone won't make people kick them out. People still have to trust Labour to get the job done.
Sadly, also, its pretty easy to go from Government to long periods of unelectability. Labour have managed it 3 times already since he war.
You do come across as a complete lemon tbh.
Cheeky
I feel worse. In Scotland, I really hoped Lab/Lib voters would rather 2nd pref SNP over Tories but the opposite is true. Just seems daft to me.With all these results coming in I feel as dejected as the early morning of the Brexit vote when it was clear remain was dying
Or National Service innit.
Oh, I'm sure I do. Same with the matchday threads.
I don't think it's the people who argue about politics and 'Red Tories' on twitter that Labour are losing in droves...
You don't think that a more competent opposition with a clearer, more convincing message and fewer obvious 'weaknesses' (e.g. IRA, Trident, McDonnell, Abbott) would be doing better than this? In 2015* and 2016 this is exactly what was warned would happen to the party if it shifted to the left, and told the more centrist elements of the Labour tent to feck off. The people who made those arguments obviously lost at the time, but they're now being proven right. I just hope that enough people learn the lessons of the last two years, and we're not going to have to see Jeremy hold on to power in defeat, and re-live the same awful internal battles for a third time.
* Disclosure: I voted for JC first time round. Regret it now.
what planet does Diane Abbott live on? I honestly believe if Corbyn had the bottle to sack her today Labour would get far more votes come the election.
"This is a relatively low turnout type of election. At the general we will have a higher turnout. And I believe that Labour voters will be repelled by Tory triumphalism and the notion of giving Theresa May some kind of blank cheque."
"This is a relatively low turnout type of election. At the general we will have a higher turnout. And I believe that Labour voters will be repelled by Tory triumphalism and the notion of giving Theresa May some kind of blank cheque."
Trident is such an absurd waste of money in my opinion. People bemoan the lack of funding in the services, well that's one of the main reasons right there. All so we can keep them locked away in secret facilities getting dusty. Utterly bizarre.
If North Korea, China, Russia, Whoever decides to launch a Nuke at us, having Trident won't stop that, all it does is allow us a bit of revenge (and end the world quicker). Frankly, the concept of having a device that can kill millions and be launched by our priminster doesn't fill me with much joy.
Until this seemingly mythical party and leader comes along, the answer to the first question is almost anything you want it to be. I take your lesson learning request on board and agree to an extent. Personally, I've learned that the Labour party only speaks for me with someone like Corbyn in charge. The pre-Corbyn nodding along with austerity, tougher than the Tories on welfare, not representing those out of work party was as close to Red Tory as it gets and why I use the term to describe anyone who looks back at those days while Gladys Knight sings The Way We Were in their head. If you can look at that, then add the PLP's actions over the last 2 years and all the journalists they run to when they have a story to tell and convince me that the party wouldn't immediately go back there the second Corbyn goes, I hope you're in the selling business because you'd genuinely have missed your calling in life if you're not. Heck, I'd probably vote for you as a politician.
I would question why you want to restrict lesson learning to Corbyn's time though and not even as far back as Blair and the millions of votes he shed even while winning and then through Brown, the apparently more electable Miliband brother and even Scottish Labour. Doing that is what led me to abandoning the party until Corbyn appeared and offered something different. But you can bet that the people who are responsible for all of Labour's failures before and during that leadership election would be hanging around, either in the party, as a MP or getting their face and opinion into the press, whoever sits in the leadership position the day after the election.
Pretty much agree.
When I was young my mum had an acquaintance that was a tory councillor, she never stopped talking about how important nuclear weapons were. This was during the thatch reagun love in.
One good thing that has come out of these local council elections is that UKIP has been wiped out. It is interesting that they seem to have defected to the Tories rather than going back to their Labour roots.
Agree with this. New Labour did nothing for me.
Corbyn's speech on trident was excellent. It doesn't deter terror and it doesn't deter our enemies as you cannot nuke proxy groups like ISIS, if the time ever came where a nuclear retaliation was an option he wouldn't use it as condemning hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians of the nation you are attacking achieves nothing.
Lib Dems actually won my seat, possibly the first time I've ever voted for a winning candidate in an election 
It's the most vulnerable that are abandoning labour.
The obvious question then, given that those issues you discuss aren't going away, is it better to have Corbyn in charge with perpetual Tory rule, or someone who doesn't represent you who is more likely to replace them?
(Also, 5 million votes klaxon)
I mostly agree, but the majority doesn't and you need to pick your battles. Nuclear disarmament isn't the topic of the day, and focusing on it does nothing but lose votes for the party. Fight your arguments where you can win them.
Fair enough - I don't agree at all here. I guess that's where we all differ.
I think someone posted this yesterday, but it seems that a large number of voters have moved from Labour to UKIP to the Tories, probably after assuming they'd never vote for the parry of the 'elite'. Funny that this wouldn't have happened under Cameron's government.
Please refer me to @Penna Because I certainly do not agree that the new generation are more selfish and resentful of the rich. I am 25 and my experience is that my generation are just as desperate to be successful in even more difficult circumstances.
That stat drives me mad.
Corbyn's policies are closer to my preferences also, but I'd still take New Labour if it meant none of this Hard Brexit Tory nonsense. You can't equate them.
Good post.
Is it a fair assumption that you are in the minority and as long as someone who shares your views continue to lead the Labour party, they would be unelectable? If this is true, what would be your choice? Voting for a party that partially supports your views? Not vote? Rebel and vote Tory?
This is blatantly untrue.