General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Jippy said:
Wasn't the cost of means-testing some things seen as prohibitive, as it erodes all of the potential savings?
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How much does it really cost for the HMRC and the DWP to talk to each other? And it'd probably be computers doing the communicating at that. Then again...we don't have a good record with government computer related systems in this country.


Acole9 said:
That speech from Theresa May was utter cringe.
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It reminded me somewhat of a school assembly. And instead of the guest speaker being a welcome delay before this term's algebra test, you're actually wondering if the maths would be more interesting.
 
sun_tzu said:
What's the logic of Corbyn not going on the tv debate tonight... a chance to talk directly to the voters and explain his policies?

I can see mays logic (risk vs reward) but I honestly can't figure out why Corbyn wouldn't go on?
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Probably that the others would have more to gain by ganging up on him without May there to share the burden. Does kind of null his "why won't you debate me" questions though.
 
Inadvertently played a blinder. Let what is being christened the 'Dementia Tax' be the main talking point. Already seen this week that Labour gaffes are headline news and Tory ones don't even make the bulletins.
 
sun_tzu said:
What's the logic of Corbyn not going on the tv debate tonight... a chance to talk directly to the voters and explain his policies?

I can see mays logic (risk vs reward) but I honestly can't figure out why Corbyn wouldn't go on?
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Unless the broadcaster is willing to empty chair May and they can all spend the evening Tory bashing, it would just be counter-productive for him.

As a Green Party member, I think it would've benefited us a lot, giving Lucas a platform. Though, probably in doing so, put further risk to Lab/Tory marginals, should people unaware of the realities of first past the post vote Green in such places.
 
When the result is so clear, manifestos from the party predicted to win read like sentencing.
 
In Stoke, May marches on with familiar neuron-crushing dullness
Marina Hyde - Guardian


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...iar-neuron-crushing-dullness?CMP=share_btn_tw

Each day the prime minister is rendered to a sealed regional facility, where she tortures a captive audience with looped repetitions of the phrase “strong and stable”. After a sustained period of it, people are unsure whether to applaud or confess to a Pakistani embassy bombing they had nothing to with just to make it stop.
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Just watching the debate, this must be the worst group of politicians we've ever had.
 
I'm amazed at how vague the Tory manifesto is

Take this:

Promoting British culture around the world
The United Kingdom is home to some of the finest cultural institutions in the world. We will continue to promote those institutions and ensure they have the resources they need to amplify Britain’s voice on the world stage and as a global force for good. We will continue to promote democracy, the rule of law, property entitlements, a free and open media, and accountable institutions in countries and societies across the world.
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What does that even mean? Which institutions? How do you currently promote them? How will you continue to do so? Which resources for which institutions? Are you saying the funding for these unspecified cultural institutions will be protected? Or just that you won't cut funding beyond what you judge to be enough to 'amplify Britain's voice on the word stage', whatever that means? How do you currently promote democracy and the rule of law? By refusing to condemn attacks from the media on the judiciary? I guess you want to promote a free and open media? But then you are also criminalising the possession by journalists of leaked material?
 
Still very happy having Sturgeon as my first minister, class apart from the Westminster lot.
 
Nuttall's best moment, was when he went on the attack with Sturgeon about the Barnett Formula. At least going by the audience reaction. What few sensible points he might've made were ultimately drowned out by the incessant immigration mantra.

That being said, the Greens could probably benefit their cause by being a bit more single minded.

I would have liked to see the presenter intervened on policy or factual errors from the leaders though. As it was, they could all pretty much say what they liked.
 
Nick in 4.....3.....2...

Edit: beaten to it, but it wasn't about that tweet!
 
Mail is dripping with righteous fury here for it's readership being targeted



Ah.
 
Totally anecdotal, but one of my parents is saying they might protest vote in response to the social care policies announced today.


berbatrick said:
Nick in 4.....3.....2...

Edit: beaten to it, but it wasn't about that tweet!
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It's not the first time the Conservatives have said something like that, nor will it be the last i suspect. It's part of the long road to Indy Ref 2, for which the economy will be a major bone of contention. Of course it can also be a tad cheeky :), particularly with things so up in the air on other fronts.
 
The Tories only exist to cut taxes. To fund this they want to cut services. Unfortunately for them if they cut services too deep no one would vote for them. Those services they can't cut they privatise, because the people who will own those services are Tories, the taxes come back to them in another manner
 
Mozza said:
The Tories only exist to cut taxes. To fund this they want to cut services. Unfortunately for them if they cut services too deep no one would vote for them. Those services they can't cut they privatise, because the people who will own those services are Tories, the taxes come back to them in another manner
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We spend 40% of our GDP, that's not particularly low, not sure what are we supposed to cut further. Raising taxes isn't necessarily the answer, there isn't a ROI above a certain point. Simply there aren't any easy answers with an ageing population, if you listen to pricks like Jonathon Bartley you can just raise corporation tax and it's all solved.
 
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