Doesn't it always? Then they got older and a lot of them turn Tory?
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My parents, god rest their souls, were racists.
I thought we were talking about present Labour policy? Is Corbyn using a Rachel Reeves speech from four years ago as his template or something? I'm confused as to why it's her fault that Labour aren't yet pledging to reverse those cuts.
I'm more confused by why in a 2 way race the best thing they can throw at Labour is 'well they might not immediately reverse the horrible things the other side are already doing'.
I'm confused as to why the Tories are pushing Terrorista May as strong and stable.
I have a mild heart condition so I expect that will go before my mind tbh.
I doubt if I make it to retirement I'll be in the UK tbh- my missus has a plot of land in her home country.
That's somewhere in East Asia isn't it? You lucky man, I'd love to retire out there, even now and I'm only 30.
My 70-year old mother turning racist- it seems in part due to the influence of her partner.
It's making my relationship with her very difficult full stop, but even more so given my wife is a non-white immigrant.
Mauritius.
That's my plan too, 10 minute walk from Pereybère beach
Oh what a dive! Why did I think she was from East Asia?
Spiders.
I agree that Corbyn has made many mistakes as leader. No doubt about that. But the media are not giving the same amount of scrutiny to the Tories that they are giving to Labour.
The Tory manifesto was terrible. What the Tories plan on doing to social care will badly affect millions of people. But the Murdoch media only say that Theresa May is 'strong and stable' and Corbyn is 'clueless'. Barely any reporting of the what the Tories want to set out to do. This is when the media bias becomes an actual problem and in a country like the UK, where the print media and the newspapers are very influential, undermines democracy.
Newspapers in the US aren't that influential because 320 million don't read the national papers and US papers are mostly terrible. Television is the largest medium and is more influential.
That's where we stayed when we had the Mauritian wedding. Beautiful white sand.That's my plan too, 10 minute walk from Pereybère beach
Her plot is in Trou aux biches, but the moment it is just that- a bit of land that needs clearing before we can build on it.
Thank feck her didn't buy somewhere in Arsenal. We're going in September, so we'll get to see it for the first time
It has it's problems, but everything looks better in glorious weather...
The wasps are the worst. They're fecking massive and look terrifying.
it just dawned on me, is this all coming from that 'Resolution Foundation' report?
That's what the Guardian's report's from, IFS saying much the same, as were Labour after the manifesto last week (to paraphrase Thornberry, "we can't afford that".)it just dawned on me, is this all coming from that 'Resolution Foundation' report?
By the way if you vote Tory then your voting for this cnut
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The choice really isn't difficult.
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The choice really isn't difficult.
Unpalatable, but then again Diane Abbott has made racist comments, so that's one flipside.
Is the Fallon stuff corroborated beyond a single source?
PM Corb on the way. Survation also shows lead down to 12.
No I don't think so. So I guess people can take it with a pinch of salt but Murray was a former British ambassador. What were Abbott racist comments ? Was it the whole divide and rule thing ? She not really wrong is she.
Jeremy Corbyn: the only bearded bloke from the Seventies to be arrested for streaking with his clothes on. Even then they were out to get him.
That, the nurse thing the West Indian mothers one too. Obviously not comparing it to apartheid, but she isn't fit to be home sec.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.Abbott_denies_attack_on_nurses_was_racist/
https://www.change.org/p/jeremy-cor...right-racism-against-british-and-white-people
What a load of complete and utter bollocks.
You really want to know what it is like living as a working class man in Tory Britain? You want to know my reality?
I worked as hard as i could, pulling 60-80 hour weeks for years to build my career, I wasn't in debt, I had bought my home and i was happy enough. That was 8 years ago, since the Tory government have been in power I have seen my savings completely disappear, not through my own negligence, but through the fact that my wages have not gone up at all, yet income tax and national insurance have increased. The cost of living has steadily risen since 2010, meaning that i could no longer afford to drive a car and instead I buy a monthly bus pass to get to work. I could no longer afford to pay the bills so i ended up losing my flat and have had to move back in with my parents.
I currently earn the same as i did 4 years ago and as a parent and those added costs, once my bills are paid at the end of each month, i have roughly £17 left at the end of the month and that is working full time. I am currently thinking about trying to find a second job to ease the burden.
My teeth are fecked, the bottom 2 are rotten as feck and guess what? I can't afford a dentist and I earn slightly more than the threshold to receive any help.
The tory manifesto will be taking away my daughters free school lunches that at the moment is a fecking massive help to my ex partner and I. They will more than likely privatise the NHS meaning i am more than likely to need health insurance going forward which will be another massive monthly cost. My parents are nearly in their 70s and my dads memory is getting so bad that he might need care soon, need i say more?
This for me is about what the Tories are pledging in their manifesto, it's about what they are going to take away from me someone who has never shied away from work and have always paid my way.
This isn't about media bias, it isn't even about loyalty to one party. I have taken the time to carefully read all party manifestos and i took the decision to vote Labour based on it being 100% in my best interests, in my families best interests.
So the next time that you accuse people of only choosing Corbyn because he is the left wings choice (i am paraphrasing) remember this post.
While this may be encouraging for the Corbyn supporters who think he has an actual chance of winning, wasn't there a rule of thumb that Labour need to beat the Tories in the % vote by a few points to actually hold a majority in Parliament due to the way even the current boundaries, let alone the new ones, are drawn? Personally I think a narrow loss for Labour where they keep or slightly increase the number of their MPs at the expense of some non-Tory MPs would be the worst result for the party because it means Corbyn will stay on. The Tories will still end up with a slightly increased majority and a weak oppo leader.
On the spoiler, is that made up or real?
I don't think anyone knows what middle, or working class means anymore, hence stupid posts and comments
To get a majority, Labour would need to win by around 10 points. You may have been talking about polling bias in previous elections, the answer to which is - we basically don't know until the result comes in. In all but two or three of the elections since the war, the polls have overstated Labour's final share. After 2015, they've all tried to modify their methods to make their samples more accurate (the problem in 2015 wasn't "shy Tories", it was that the samples pollsters were getting weren't representative). It's perfectly possible that they're understating Labour this time round (this doesn't chime as well with leader ratings and doorstep anecdotes as it did in 2015, but you never know).
I'm sorry you're struggling Roland- you're a good guy and sound a loving dad.
National insurance hasn't risen though. Wage growth has stagnated due to the economy and the recent rising cost of living is largely driven by global factors and Brexit- we've actually just been through years of the lowest levels of inflation ever.
I doubt any of this would've been much different under any government tbh.
I do hope you get solidly on your feet soon though.
I understand you being pissed about the school lunches though and your concerns about your parents- my mother was 70 last year.
I can't vote for May either btw.
Truthfully i don't blame anybody else for my issues and that was more a passionate rant than anything else, but reading the manifestos it seems clear to me that Labour have a much healthier outlook for people such as me and my family. I took exception to the poster (who i am sure meant no harm) saying people vote tory due to media bias and conspiracy theories etc (again, i'm paraphrasing)
I honestly and genuinely believe that we have a once in a lifetime chance to elect an honest and genuine leader of the country. I love the fact that we live in a democracy and have the ability to vote based on informed decisions.
^ Given the circumstance you outlined in your earlier post, i would consider it reasonably likely that free school lunches will continue. Unless others have hears specifics on thresholds of which i am unaware.
I'm tempted to whack some money on Betfair on Labour, this little bit of momentum is promising and at 21 now it could be a good opportunity to trade. I can see the price halving over the next few weeks.
9% supposedly voting Lib Dem. 9% gap between cnuts and Labour.
Wouldn't you just vote Labour to equal the odds with the Tories and potentially keep them out. Literally not a hope of Lib Dems ever winning.
Wouldn't you just vote Labour to equal the odds with the Tories and potentially keep them out. Literally not a hope of Lib Dems ever winning.
I wouldn't be so sure. Betfair are offering better odds than the rest because whilst they're exposed if the market shifts, they're very certain that the Tories will win. Which means that they've taken into account the opportunity for trading, though are probably quite confident that they can maintain an artificially high position. They could even short it, if they were a little bit rogue. First sign of Tory momentum/Labour collapse, they raise the price and feck over potential traders.
Betfair don't set the price it's an exchange.
Really? That I never knew. How does their system work? In general I mean. It's customer to customer?
Yeah it is. If I decide to back Corbyn at 21 it means a bunch of other people have laid Corbyn at the same price. Betfair markets are obviously quite sentiment driven, hence my thinking the price could lower over the next period. I'd cash it out before it got to the election, hopefully for a shorter price if all goes to plan.
Betfair just take a commission, usually around 5%.
That could be smart.
Curious, if you back Corbyn at 21, and let's say the gap narrows in the polls to 3-4%, which is within margin of error territory, does Betfair then require both ends to reach an agreement? Presumably the person who lays the bet has to be willing to sell at a loss? Or does it work differently?
Sorry for mini derail, but Betfair is now interesting me