Labour were mostly around 15-18% anyway, so aye, unless the SNP are nearing 50% again, that might be a little off. Still though, I could see a small swing Labour's way up here. Dugdale wasn't brilliant last night and Sturgeon/Davidson dominated the debate, but I'd also argue Dugdale managed to come out better overall than the other two - Davidson especially, who had an awful start. She certainly didn't do herself any damage and in some areas people may stick with Labour.
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Labour were mostly around 15-18% anyway, so aye, unless the SNP are nearing 50% again, that might be a little off. Still though, I could see a small swing Labour's way up here. Dugdale wasn't brilliant last night and Sturgeon/Davidson dominated the debate, but I'd also argue Dugdale managed to come out better overall than the other two - Davidson especially, who had an awful start. She certainly didn't do herself any damage and in some areas people may stick with Labour.
Aye, personally I'd say with how weak is any Labour leader who loses this should go - they're only looking good currently because of how awful their polling was for a while. Still a long way to go if they hope to win.
Nevertheless, think Corbyn should also get some praise - his manifesto, while probably not well-costed at all, seems to have gone down fairly well and is being perceived by many as a breath of fresh air in contrast with May's particularly gloomy approach. He's campaigning quite effectively right now.
That's Mail on Sunday though, different (pro-Remain) editor. Still Tory, but less ridiculous.Well to be fair this was yesterdays front page.
I'm very surprised they used the phrase dementia tax.
the Mail on Sunday were remoaners? Never knew that.
Well, there is that too!
The thing is, she and the Tories have had the inside track regarding Brexit so far so should have some idea what is to come from Brussels during the negotiations. And if, as some predict, it is likely to be a car crash for the UK, then would the Tories want to be the party held to account?
Politically, though her career as PM would be over, wouldn't it make sense for them, as a party, to pass the responsibility to Labour, so they would be held accountable for the inevitable fallout of a potentially bad Brexit for the UK (hypothetically assuming that's what actually happens of course!). The Tories could then ride to the rescue, get a massive majority, and probably govern for years.
I highly doubt that the actual powers that be in the Conservative party care too much about her long term career, more of the long term interests of their own party. She was never elected by the public anyway.
I just fail to understand why they called a snap election when they already had a (albeit slim) working majority in the house of commons. I highly doubt the EU leaders care how big her majority is.
I get the feeling that the Tories are playing the long game. And the more I see from May and her campaign, the more it makes me think that maybe, just maybe, this is the case.
She really bolloxed this question up
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/866718865178320896/video/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/866718865178320896/video/1
Surely a conspiracy too far though, no? Very convoluted. A simpler answer is she's arrogant and inept.
Ah, Corbyn should retire in glory. Crossed 50% in the caf poll.
Not really a conspiracy theory. Just a feeling that the Tories are not really trying too hard to win based purely on what I see.
I did also agree with the previous poster that she may also just be a bit shit too!
Keep calm and poll voting intentionWere people polling in the middle of WW2?
fecking nerds.
irony
Last nights attack will almost certainly hand the election to the Tories.
Yeah, he's running an excellent campaign so far.
Depressingly predictable in its timing. I fully expect a passport to be found this morning.
It'll galvanise all the old racist feckers for sure. Thoughts go out to anyone involved.
Likely, but similar sentiments after Jo Cox turned out to be untrue. It will obviously stunt any 'momentum' in the campaign though.
It should also mean any claims of JC being a terrorist sympathiser are stopped immediately. Anyone spreading such nonsense in light of last night has to be called out as an insensitive cretin.
Might be an incredibly cynical way of looking at things but aside from the human tragedy I'm sure deep down the PM's advisors won't be disappointed that May's car crash of an interview with Andrew Neil on BBC One last night is now forgotten about in terms of the news agenda. She's awful on television. Even when she tries to pronounce the most simple words her face contorts like something out of a Ridley Scott movie. It's most bizarre.
Facebook will be full of that shit by this afternoon unfortunately.
Yeah I think so - but might also help ukip?
Nah UKIP are dead. UKIP was the Farage party. Whatever you think of him he was a very good communicator and was able to make people feel okay for disliking foreigners. Nuttall is a clown.
Could see Tories benefitting from it in a way that incumbents usually do at a time of national crisis/emergency. We forget how quickly news cycles change though. Not sure this'll have that much impact on the election.
Could see Tories benefitting from it in a way that incumbents usually do at a time of national crisis/emergency. We forget how quickly news cycles change though. Not sure this'll have that much impact on the election.
The horrific events will take away the focus from Theresas horrific interview.
Whatever your views on Thatcher, Major, Blair and to some extent Brown, they were heavyweight figures of their time. I don't see any of that in Cameron, or May and not in any of the likes of Corbyn, Miliband and certainly not Farron. Maybe people seem more grand in hindsight but I think it's a long time since we've had a major political leader who, even though you might not agree with them, you wouldn't say they were awful at the job.
Sturgeon and Davidson in Scotland, even though I'm politically opposed to what both stand for, are the only two political leaders who in the UK who seem to be worthy of the job they hold.
Sturgeon and Davidson in Scotland, even though I'm politically opposed to what both stand for, are the only two political leaders who in the UK who seem to be worthy of the job they hold.
Labour have drifted considerably in the betting since the attack, and maybe that was part of the reason for it. The timing is suspect isn't it?
Probably just a coincidence, but can't help but think it will definitely strengthen the hand of the Tories.. instead of focusing on how May responds to questions on her manifesto.. she can just focus on being stately the next week or so and bat away questions with saying it isn't the time or the place to be discussing politics right now.
Corbyn could probably use the angle that May has failed to make the country safer and that he has the way forward which would make the UK less susceptible to terror attacks, but he isn't cynical enough to do that.
The left and the right have different reactions to extremist incidents. Also determined by how they're covered in public. The very next day after the Jo Cox murder, papers were already talking about how the guy had been sick for ages.
Of course. If she'd been killed by a Muslim though, there would have been weeks of screaming about how our democracy was under attack by inhuman monsters and etc etc etc.
she does deliver a good set-piece speech, comes across very well in that situation
The stupid thing is we would surely be in a better position to stop it all with Corbyn. But most people won't see that.
Fact.
These politicians and their team are cnuts. So what you're saying is a given.
Wonder if the right-wing vote will divide again.
Didn't put much stock in the Corbyn come-back theme but I reckon he's certainly done now. May's Dementia Tax Horror Show has been overshadowed by events. We tend to react emotionally to these things and I suspect the vicious cnuts appear a better match up to Terrorism than hippie granddad and friends.
Burying good days in bad news.
Burying good days in bad news.
The Sun already using it 'subtly' here for political gain. Disgusting. Won't even post the link, but this is the headline. Posted today.
THE SUN SAYS
The harm done by Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell sucking up to the IRA
Labour pair were snivelling IRA fanboys as it unleashed slaughter on Britain
THE SUN SAYS
The harm done by Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell sucking up to the IRA
Labour pair were snivelling IRA fanboys as it unleashed slaughter on Britain
It would be an interesting turn of events if this was expected to shift favour back to the Tories but ended up spitting the votes they'd picked up from UKIP back to UKIP.
If there's the faintest silver lining, every comment on that article is laying into the Sun.
Requires Nuttall taking over the narrative in a similar way to Farage. Can't see that happening tbh.
probably a general compensatory shift covers the losses of Con to UKIP & others, #JustGuessing
The sickening sight of the Murdoch propoganda trail. Lies, lies, lies. The Guardian shot it down straight away on Twitter tbf to them.
As encouraging as it is to see all this support for Corbyn on the campaign trail, I still expect a overwhelming Tory victory.
It feels like we live in a bubble sometimes and that the Caf is an echo chamber. How will this surge in Labour support/Tory gaffes resonate with older/rural voters? I doubt they'll have seen it, or if they have, care. They still predominantly rely on the old, Labour critical media. "Twitter? Who's he?"
It'll take the eventual Brexit and fallout or a more moderate Labour before we see the Tories out again imo.
It feels like we live in a bubble sometimes and that the Caf is an echo chamber. How will this surge in Labour support/Tory gaffes resonate with older/rural voters? I doubt they'll have seen it, or if they have, care. They still predominantly rely on the old, Labour critical media. "Twitter? Who's he?"
It'll take the eventual Brexit and fallout or a more moderate Labour before we see the Tories out again imo.
Manchester police budget has been cut severely under the Tories. It is not certain this will play well for may, or she even has the competence to do so in the first place.
That sun article will just galvanize labour support, because it is so obviously disgusting propaganda written in the blood of children.
That sun article will just galvanize labour support, because it is so obviously disgusting propaganda written in the blood of children.
Yep. IMO he needs to push the fact the Tories are so eager to drop Leveson and point to the utterly appalling way the media have been hounding people, who have loved ones still missing, since last night's events. But, again, I don't think he's that sort of politician.