Corbyn shooting himself in both feet needlessly.
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Yep, better to come out and confront it with a strong position, even if not everyone agrees with it. Otherwise he'd have been attacked from all sides for ducking the issue.
Maybe, but I doubt to the same extent. The onus would've been on Neil to justify politicising his record so soon after the events, which he doesn't need to do now.
Either way, doubt he'll come across anywhere near as poorly as May, and with the QT format that he's probably best in still to come.
I think you are well aware of which one i am referring to.
I never endorsed that attack on refugees, never promoted it here or anywhere else. And i shall criticise May when she likely uses this incident to further her previously announced internet restrictions. I won't be saying 'great speech' and 'well done' just because i've voted Tory in the past. My reaction is in line with what i said on Tuesday regarding the exploitation of events.
Now if other posters agree with Corbyn's professed views, be they through the Morning Star, StW or during his time as leader, that is for them to square with their politics.
Its a nothing speech. Its true but what's done is done, his own party long ago stirred the hornets nest, but he has no real plan of what to do next other. Shouting 'Tory this' and 'Tory that' isn't going to be enough.
Here's someone who didn't listen to the speech.
Did Corbyn actually say anything beyond that the war on terror did not work?
Edit: Anything that would justify the rightwing outrage?
Edit: Anything that would justify the rightwing outrage?
That's the key point. He's making cheap jibes in an attempt to bribe people for their vote. Pointless politician. Pointless party.
What'll be very interesting is if the Tories get the most seats but fall short of a majority...and the SNP hold the balance of power. Sturgeon would likely demand a second referendum during the Brexit process which would be incredibly chaotic: any leader who caves would look weak, but any leader who doesn't would have to presumably trigger another election which would disillusion more and more people.
I'll win £90 if it's a hung parliament
I'll win £90 if it's a hung parliament
I might just throw a massive lump on a Tory majority so I'm not too disappointed if it happens.
No but the attack lines were done before he uttered a word. You couldn't attack him on anything going by his actual speech.
Rudd going around saying foreign policy has nothing to do with terrorism. Oh okay, ignoring your security services now are we
Saw today that hung parliament has moved in from 8s to 7s since Monday. I've got £26 left in my hills account. Might stick it on Corbyn.
Ah good point, didn't think about that way.
As for the interview I can't image being any where near as bad as May(We are still talking about the Labour Party so you never know), although I'm not really a fan of O'Neil interviews anyway as for the most part its just him grilling the person being interviewed for an hour, there's not much of conservation or debate.
At least in the past with a conservative cnut like William Buckley there was something of a conservation and debate.
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"It is grotesque to use responses to the tragedy to score political points" said Tim Farron, while using the response to the tragedy to score a political point
Amazed Farron isn't barking up the same tree to be honest.
I suppose that's the standard Labour response to any criticism.
'You didn't listen'
'You don't get it'
'Evil Tory'
Etc.
Etc.
God forbid you might be wrong.
'Austerity has to stop at the A&E ward and at the police station door' - great line
If he had a spine then he would admit that he does.
God forbid you'd actually keep your bias to yourself before listening to what someone has to say.
No. They'very actually moved in to attacking the timing of the speech rather than it's content
Latest Tory press release.
Fallon: There is never an excuse for terrorism
Responding to Jeremy Corbyn’s suggestion that British foreign policy was the cause of this week’s terrorist atrocity, the Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, said:
“Jeremy Corbyn could be Prime Minister of our country in less than two weeks’ time yet he has said only days after one of the worst terrorist atrocities this country has ever known that terror attacks in Britain are our own fault.
“There can be no ‘buts’ when it comes to condemning the unspeakable evil carried out by these extremists. There are no justifications, and there is never an excuse for terrorism. Let me spell something out for Mr Corbyn: There are no excuses for what was done in Manchester.
“This isn’t some slip of the tongue. Jeremy Corbyn is a very consistent man, he has a very long track-record of siding with people who want to damage and attack Britain. He and his team come from an extreme and ideological world that is too quick to make excuses for the actions of our enemies and too willing to oppose the measures and people that keep us safe.
“The choice has just become even starker: it’s between Theresa May, acting to protect our national interest and keep our country safe, and Jeremy Corbyn, who is simply not up to the job.”
ENDS
Fallon: There is never an excuse for terrorism
Responding to Jeremy Corbyn’s suggestion that British foreign policy was the cause of this week’s terrorist atrocity, the Defence Secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, said:
“Jeremy Corbyn could be Prime Minister of our country in less than two weeks’ time yet he has said only days after one of the worst terrorist atrocities this country has ever known that terror attacks in Britain are our own fault.
“There can be no ‘buts’ when it comes to condemning the unspeakable evil carried out by these extremists. There are no justifications, and there is never an excuse for terrorism. Let me spell something out for Mr Corbyn: There are no excuses for what was done in Manchester.
“This isn’t some slip of the tongue. Jeremy Corbyn is a very consistent man, he has a very long track-record of siding with people who want to damage and attack Britain. He and his team come from an extreme and ideological world that is too quick to make excuses for the actions of our enemies and too willing to oppose the measures and people that keep us safe.
“The choice has just become even starker: it’s between Theresa May, acting to protect our national interest and keep our country safe, and Jeremy Corbyn, who is simply not up to the job.”
ENDS
He did say he agreed with the points but not the timing. The reporters only wheel him out for "i disagree with Labour quotes" take that away and you'd never hear from him.
Yet to hear a reporter ask if not now when can we discuss it? Or given he's running for election doesn't he have to....ah well rent a quote
That's all he's got....great lines with no realistic policies to change anything. All well and good blaming or foreign policy for the terrorist attacks but what will he do to stop the attacks.
Or just lying about its contents. Boris just said it is monstrous to suggest that terrorists are in some sense not culpable for their actions, which Corbyn explicitly said was not the case / what he was was stating.
What is he going to do to stop people dying in car accidents?
He's saying we should stop creating the conditions for terrorism to be possible. Stop destroying other countries and turning them into terror training hotbeds, stop selling arms to nations that sponsor terrorism, stop cutting police budgets. Stopping the attacks isn't as simple as going through a thesaurus and finding the best word to condemn the terrorists, you also have to create the conditions where people don't want to bomb you in the first place.
Its a good job Corbyn said exactly that then isnt it.
There has never been a speech given that details exactly how a policy will be implimented. It's not the format for it. A lot more Police will help however
Fallon is going to launch another test missile at Florida if he gets any angrier.
It's more that your criticisms genuinely read like someone who didn't actually listen to the speech.
It's incredible that the Tories think they can get away with using Assad embracing Fallon to make that statement.
What's his response going to be when asked about the snooper's charter?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't the condemnation of the IRA bombings that stopped them.
Are people really expecting for election campaigning to resume without some discussion of the events of Monday?
I hope he takes his speech script on tonights interview and reads word for word what he said in regards to justification or excuses. Then calls Farron and Fallon pricks for using manchester to attack him.
"Corbyn quotes Sir Michael Fallon in terror speech"