General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind. :)
Like I said earlier- it's just a mental agility test really, trying to catch you out by changing the tabs round to try and confuse you. Hard to view it as anything more.
 
Seriously, Jezza winning this election would be the greatest current affairs thing to have happened in at least 25 years.
Well, that or Mandela. Toss-up.
 
It's no wonder the 'centrists' have never spoken for me, they live in a different universe.

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So bias and propaganda pieces are only terrible if the other side do it?

Not sure why this thread needs to be filled with social media shite most of us scroll past.
 
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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I finished it to make you happy.

I do think the test is somewhat flawed.... it put White People = Good / Black = Bad first... so of course when it swapped it around, that was more difficult...

But, the result doesn't actually surprise me. Matthew Syed wrote a good article about racial prejudices a while back (amongst people who dont think they have any), although I'm sure there are many others.
 
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I finished it to make you happy.

Aww, thanks. :)

I do think the test is somewhat flawed.... it put White People = Good / Black = Bad first... so of course when it swapped it around, that was more difficult...

But, the result doesn't actually surprise me. Matthew Syed wrote a good article about racial prejudices a while back (amongst people who dont think they have any), although I'm sure there are many others.

Yeah, I think we all have them to some extent. I got the same result and it made me stop and realize that just thinking you aren't bias isn't worth anything. I think its useful as a self awareness thing and something to work on.
 
Just watched Sturgeon's Neil interview. I'm not a fan of hers, but credit where it's due, I thought she was the best yet.
Her ability to recite figures across inter-departmental policies and the like must make the Tory campaign chiefs weep.
 
Aww, thanks. :)

Yeah, I think we all have them to some extent. I got the same result and it made me stop and realize that just thinking you aren't bias isn't worth anything. I think its useful as a self awareness thing and something to work on.
I've noticed several times in my life that I've had an automatic prejudice against non-White people... thoughts I wouldn't have thought if it was a white person in that situation.

The Black vs White person stealing a bike is the easiest example of this



So I think you are right, being aware that you do have these prejudices (as a liberal) is important, to be aware of, and to fight against them.

But incidentally, I think the difference between the left and the right on this, is that whilst the right will try to justify their prejudices. I know of people who really do think Black people are less intelligent and are happy to try and justify that.

It's a sad state of affairs
 
That's really poor compared to the original.
Obviously we're seeing the polls narrow, but everyone, including Sturgeon, expects a healthy Tory victory, despite everything.

I'm leaning more towards a hung parliament or Corbyn win through a coalition. I can't decide if that's cos I'm heavily influenced by the amount of time I spend here or whether the media is underestimating another populist movement gathering momentum, much like Brexit.
 
Obviously we're seeing the polls narrow, but everyone, including Sturgeon, expects a healthy Tory victory, despite everything.

I'm leaning more towards a hung parliament or Corbyn win through a coalition. I can't decide if that's cos I'm heavily influenced by the amount of time I spend here or whether the media is underestimating another populist movement gathering momentum, much like Brexit.
I'm still in the 'ten point margin' camp. Just pleased my beloved Queen Caroline should keep her seat.

No idea why you quoted me, by the way, but always happy to share predictions.
 
For a member of a routinely discriminated against minority to call out that oppression is not racist. Being a black woman in politics gives her a pretty unique right to discuss how she's experienced racial issues in a predominantly white and male environment like the commons. Perhaps she wouldn't need to do that if there had been more black people in parliament?

What an absolute crock of shite you are spouting here.

How does making racist comments about white people " call out oppression"?

When you try to justify your hypocrisy by claiming that in any way West Indian mothers are more committed to their children than non-west Indian mothers you are being a racist. That does not strike me as being progressive in any way.

Those who try to justify or protect people who make these types of claims are racist.

Also, I can't understand what your point is in asking me and others to take the racism test unless you think white people are going to prove to be more racist than any other race? Wouldn't that be a racist assumption?
 
Obviously we're seeing the polls narrow, but everyone, including Sturgeon, expects a healthy Tory victory, despite everything.

I'm leaning more towards a hung parliament or Corbyn win through a coalition. I can't decide if that's cos I'm heavily influenced by the amount of time I spend here or whether the media is underestimating another populist movement gathering momentum, much like Brexit.
Wouldn't discount this at all anymore if I'm honest, in terms of visibly enthusiastic support Labour certainly have it.
 
Obviously we're seeing the polls narrow, but everyone, including Sturgeon, expects a healthy Tory victory, despite everything.

I'm leaning more towards a hung parliament or Corbyn win through a coalition. I can't decide if that's cos I'm heavily influenced by the amount of time I spend here or whether the media is underestimating another populist movement gathering momentum, much like Brexit.

The British love an underdog. The more the media attacks and suppresses Corbyn the more it will harden people's resolve to vote him in.

The conservatives seem to have majorly fecked this campaign up by believing they could do any old shit because they're untouchable due to the margin in the polls. They went full retard because of it I think and are on the backfoot now.

The polls will surely narrow the closer we get and when May will inevitably be torn to pieces in York QT at the weekend they could even turn in Jezzas favour. Pray to god the CL final is quiet in Cardiff the next day so people can focus on her failure!

Also I don't believe Scotland will give Tories seats. It's unthinkable for it to happen there and if Labour can get those few from the SNP rather than the tories then even a hung parliament will ensure May will be gone!
 
I'm still in the 'ten point margin' camp. Just pleased my beloved Queen Caroline should keep her seat.

No idea why you quoted me, by the way, but always happy to share predictions.
Sorry Dota, not deliberately singling you out. This election is so hard to read it's making me want to go back into the Turkey thread and get the recipe for that awesome egg dish and make it tomorrow.
 
What an absolute crock of shite you are spouting here.

How does making racist comments about white people " call out oppression"?

When you try to justify your hypocrisy by claiming that in any way West Indian mothers are more committed to their children than non-west Indian mothers you are being a racist. That does not strike me as being progressive in any way.

Except she never said that. She said 'West Indian mothers will go to the wall for their children'. It was only the media who decided to spin it into anything about other mothers. Let me guess, when you heard Black Lives Matter you immediately lost your shit and starting shouting that All Lives Matter right?

Those who try to justify or protect people who make these types of claims are racist.

Oh get to feck, Britain is over 92% white ffs. It beggars belief that white Brits would try and claim they're victims of racism.

Also, I can't understand what your point is in asking me and others to take the racism test unless you think white people are going to prove to be more racist than any other race? Wouldn't that be a racist assumption?

No, it'd be an obvious assumption based on the demographics and even the most cursory examination of history, society and such things as the highest ranking police officer in Britain admitting as recently as 2015 that the police were still institutionally racist. Here's a clue for you, they aren't racist towards the white people.
 
Wouldn't discount this at all anymore if I'm honest, in terms of visibly enthusiastic support Labour certainly have it.
That's another thing I can't figure out. He has massive crowds, but seems to be focusing on the heartlands. That attendence in a swing sweet...
 
@Kentonio You're on to a loser here, with regards to convincing folk. You're coming at things from the view that racial comments have to be viewed in the context of the society they are made in and others are starting from a 'if you swap the word white for black how does it sound then?' kind of mindset. A purest view that 'racism is racism' and everyone should be judged by their words alone and taking in to account why they may be liable to make ill-judged comments tarring white people is just making excuses for racists.

The latter view not being one I can subscribe to, as I'd be done for hate speech if the sweeping comments I am prone to when a female friend has had a grim experience with a sexually entitled straight bloke were judged in such a way.
 
You'd think he'd be put off by his stint as the executioner of Marie Antoinette.
 
"I've just given you a red hot tip!"
 
Eddie Hitler (UKIP) said:
"I believe in capital punishment for treason. Opinion polls show the vast majority of people agree with me."
Is that actually true?
 
Whilst it's nice to see UKIPs support plummet, it's frustrating the Conservatives have picked up all their voters.

Can't help but think if Farage was still in charge (poetic), this election could be neck and neck with Labour and the Tories. No way would UKIP have floundered this much under him.
 
The British love an underdog. The more the media attacks and suppresses Corbyn the more it will harden people's resolve to vote him in.

The conservatives seem to have majorly fecked this campaign up by believing they could do any old shit because they're untouchable due to the margin in the polls. They went full retard because of it I think and are on the backfoot now.

The polls will surely narrow the closer we get and when May will inevitably be torn to pieces in York QT at the weekend they could even turn in Jezzas favour. Pray to god the CL final is quiet in Cardiff the next day so people can focus on her failure!

Also I don't believe Scotland will give Tories seats. It's unthinkable for it to happen there and if Labour can get those few from the SNP rather than the tories then even a hung parliament will ensure May will be gone!

We all love a good underdog story. But why didn't the electorate vote for Ed Miliband after the way the gutter Murdoch press were flogging him?

True, Labour has to ensure that the seats the SNP loses in Scotland goes to them and not to the Tories. There's no way the SNP are going to match their own performance from 2015.

The Tory manifesto is a disgrace. They are disrespecting the British people by putting out a manisfesto like that and still thinking that they'll win. They are leading in the over 60 age group though even if that age group (pensioners and such) will be hardest hit under this government.
 
Whilst it's nice to see UKIPs support plummet, it's frustrating the Conservatives have picked up all their voters.

Can't help but think if Farage was still in charge (poetic), this election could be neck and neck with Labour and the Tories. No way would UKIP have floundered this much under him.

UKIP was all about getting Britain out of the EU and reducing immigration, which the Conservative government are now currently committed to. As Paul Nuttal said after the council elections, UKIP are now victims of their own success.
I'm sure we'll see Farage heavily involved with UKIP again if the tories start compromising.
 
I'm sure we'll see Farage heavily involved with UKIP again if the tories start compromising.

Fecker should be under police investigation after that line about 'grabbing a rifle' if there's any compromise over Brexit. Not that a UKIP version of Dad's Army would actually pose any threat to anyone.
 
Rudd rules out internment, attacks Corbyn again for terrorist sympathy. Alleges that Corbyn is saying different things now to try & get votes.

source: on Breakfast telly just now
 
Rudd rules out internment, attacks Corbyn again for terrorist sympathy. Alleges that Corbyn is saying different things now to try & get votes.

source: on Breakfast telly just now

Corbyn always puts his wet finger in the wind before saying anything. Useless twat!