General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Might be a bit early to totally write off UKIP. Might retain some ex Tory support at this rate

Internment & also Nuttall's offer to execute people himself after the death penalty is reintroduced were quite popular in the Mail comments section.
 
I'm genuinely at a loss on whom to vote for. May is a populist idiot who strikes me as a Diet Trump. Corbyn who I think isn't strong enough to lead the country (in that once he was elected the jackals in the Labour Party would perform a coup d'etat)
It's probably the hardest election to call in a long long time.
 
Ignore the Jamie Jackson name, he's tweeting an old article (oct 16) that I read at the time from Nick Cohen that forewarned May's lies. Well worth a read.

The dominant side of Theresa May is more superficial than David Cameron and more dishonest than Tony Blair
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Lord Megadrive said:
I'm genuinely at a loss on whom to vote for. May is a populist idiot who strikes me as a Diet Trump. Corbyn who I think isn't strong enough to lead the country (in that once he was elected the jackals in the Labour Party would perform a coup d'etat)
It's probably the hardest election to call in a long long time.
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Vote Labour. Corbyn is a principled man who cares deeply about the country and its people. Those are the very basic qualities needed to lead a country, which Theresa May lacks.
 
Lord Megadrive said:
I'm genuinely at a loss on whom to vote for. May is a populist idiot who strikes me as a Diet Trump. Corbyn who I think isn't strong enough to lead the country (in that once he was elected the jackals in the Labour Party would perform a coup d'etat)
It's probably the hardest election to call in a long long time.
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I'm not sure May is a populist, just think she's out of her depth and has no idea what she's doing. For someone who repeats the words 'strong and stable' all the time she's ridiculously easy to blow off course
 
Nikhil said:
Vote Labour. Corbyn is a principled man who cares deeply about the country and its people. Those are the very basic qualities needed to lead a country, which Theresa May lacks.
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That sounds like an argument to persuade a girl to out with your ugly mate rather than choosing the leader of a country.
 
Kentonio said:
Christ, and people wonder why we keep ending up with total arseholes running the country..
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It's being realistic. We're electing a PM not inviting someone over for dinner.

"He's really nice, sweet, caring and he has a nice car and great with the kids, just see how it goes"

The principle duty of a leader is to lead. You might pretend that you can lead without your MPs, I don't. When he's failing to get legisilation through because he has a poor control of his own party let alone the wider commons I won't be okay with that because deep down he's a nice guy.

I'm not going to base who I want to lead the country on who I'd most like the spend the afternoon with.
 
Oscie said:
It's being realistic. We're electing a PM not inviting someone over for dinner.

"He's really nice, sweet, caring and he has a nice car and great with the kids, just see how it goes"

The principle duty of a leader is to lead. You might pretend that you can lead without your MPs, I don't. When he's failing to get legisilation through because he has a poor control of his own party let alone the wider commons I won't be okay with that because deep down he's a nice guy
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If you don't care about the country, then what exactly are you leading? Or more precisely, where exactly are you leading us to?

We've been propagandized to for so long to trick people into thinking that first and foremost we need 'strong' leaders who can fight our battles. Well if they are the wrong battles, or we're fighting on the wrong side, then what's the fecking point?

There's a very clear choice now between a party and a man who have policies that help the majority of people in the UK and who will actually negotiate Brexit sensibly, or a party that plan on hurting a huge number of people and will approach Brexit negotiations like a bad remake of a WW2 movie.

If you vote for May, then don't come whining when you get fecked along with everyone else.
 
If the Tories were led by Merkel or someone of similar ilk, then I would acknowledge the 'strong leader, strong country' message as a legitimate reason to vote. But May is terrible, she can't even speak to journalists without becoming super nervous and scared. It just doesn't work. I think Corbyn has more balls than her.
 
A primary school teacher could care about the country. Doesn't mean based on that I think they're a suitable person to do so.

You need vision, strong leadership and other qualities as well. Most will be subjective but to argue that the man who the majority of his own MPs have no confidence in cannot be said to have strong leadership skills. It's possible to dislike someone but think they make a better leader than someone you like.
 
Oscie said:
A primary school teacher could care about the country. Doesn't mean based on that I think they're a suitable person to do so.

You need vision, strong leadership and other qualities as well. Most will be subjective but to argue that the man who the majority of his own MPs have no confidence in cannot be said to have strong leadership skills. It's possible to dislike someone but think they make a better leader than someone you like.
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Do you really think May brings that then? I certainly don't.
 
altodevil86 said:
Do you really think May brings that then? I certainly don't.
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No. I don't either. But I'm not supporting May. As said above.

People really do only see people's opinions when they're anti-Corbyn, don't they?
It's possible to dislike both.
 
I don't trust May, as she seems to change her principals to whatever would get her power. The fact she was remain until she saw that she could become leader if she became Brexit is something I found very concerning.

I would vote corbyn but the problem is that there has already been a failed attempt to oust him as leader of the Labour Party. If he became PM how long before he would lose control of the party?
 
Oscie said:
A primary school teacher could care about the country. Doesn't mean based on that I think they're a suitable person to do so.

You need vision, strong leadership and other qualities as well. Most will be subjective but to argue that the man who the majority of his own MPs have no confidence in cannot be said to have strong leadership skills. It's possible to dislike someone but think they make a better leader than someone you like.
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Corbyn has a clear vision. It's difficult to argue otherwise, we know exactly where he stands on foreign policy, defence, the economy, welfare you can go on and on.

I would also argue Jeremy HAS shown strong leadership qualities. As you rightly say, the Labour Party was divided on his appointment as leader and yet somehow he has managed to rally the Party and pull off, win or lose, what will have to be acknowledged as a fantastic electoral campaign that has actually made the Labour Party credible and electable again
 
Oscie said:
No. I don't either. But I'm not supporting May. As said above.

People really do only see people's opinions when they're anti-Corbyn, don't they?
It's possible to dislike both.
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I can absolutely see that it's possible to dislike both. Although I like Corbyn he is not for everyone. What is really lacking in this election is an eloquent third choice, in a Clegg mould, for centrists. Farron just isn't that.
 
Labour MPs have shut up in hope that after June's defeat they can't be blamed. Naive to think they've genuinely rallied behind
 
DenisIrwin said:
Was this posted previously? Well, it deserves repeating if it was, imo.

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That's pretty damning. There really hasn't been enough analysis on the tory cuts around this.

Whilst i keep seeing papers refer to Corbyns speech as the one labelled Monstrous by Boris, yet there's no critical comment on Corbyns claims. Frustrating
 
May and Corbyn facing questions from an audience and then individually from Jeremy Paxman tonight on the telly.
 
Nikhil said:
You guys should see this if you haven't already. Ed's pretty cool now. :lol:

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I always liked Ed, probably more so than Corbyn. His perception damaged him massively though.

Does help that I met him (randomly in the park) a couple of weeks after the election and he was really nice bloke too.
 
I liked Ed, and voted for Ed. But either before the event or in hindsight was never a huge surprise that he lost. That's why I oppose Corbyn so much, because Labour already had its 'we all know he'll probably lose but feck it, he's a nice guy' leader and I think it's a tragedy for the party and the country that we followed him with another.

The state of the Labour party probably in the last election and this likely has done more for the Tory chances of winning than anything the Tories did themselves. Certainly this year where everything has been an absolute shambles for them. Without evening mentioning the absurdity of Brexit.
 
Oscie said:
I liked Ed, and voted for Ed. But either before the event or in hindsight was never a huge surprise that he lost. That's why I oppose Corbyn so much, because Labour already had its 'we all know he'll probably lose but feck it, he's a nice guy' leader and I think it's a tragedy for the party and the country that we followed him with another.

The state of the Labour party probably in the last election and this likely has done more for the Tory chances of winning than anything the Tories did themselves. Certainly this year where everything has been an absolute shambles for them. Without evening mentioning the absurdity of Brexit.
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I don't agree tbh. Ed was a nice guy but that was all. Awkward in public, difficult to tell what he actually stood for and came across as a ditherer

Corbyn is a nice guy but crucially is also decisive and has a clear set of morals and beliefs which guide his policies
 
Thatcher meeting and praising the Mujahideen


Dam terrorist sympathiser.
 
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Lentwood said:
I don't agree tbh. Ed was a nice guy but that was all. Awkward in public, difficult to tell what he actually stood for and came across as a ditherer

Corbyn is a nice guy but crucially is also decisive and has a clear set of morals and beliefs which guide his policies
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See, I disagree with this. Ed was nice, Corbyn is not, but he's somehow convinced everyone he's a man of the people. Sure he may look approachable but there is nothing 'nice' about the associations and viewpoints he has held in the past and seems reluctant to renounce even now. He's probably more extreme in his personal views than any mainstream Tory.
 
Another poll that accidentally tweet but has now be removed(Should be up later today)

 
Sweet Square said:
Another poll that accidentally tweet but has now be removed(Should be up later today)

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Need 42-38 for a hung parliament. Getting close. Can't help but feel pessimistic since it always goes the Tories' way on the night.
 
Oscie said:
I'm not sure May is a populist, just think she's out of her depth and has no idea what she's doing. For someone who repeats the words 'strong and stable' all the time she's ridiculously easy to blow off course
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That guardian article shows May for what she is. She isn't doing these things for Britain, she is furthering her own career/agenda.
 
Sweet Square said:
The latest poll on just the death penalty I found was this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32061822

but even with leave voters the death penalty just gets over just half

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...alty-yougov-results-light-bulbs-a7656791.html


So no its seem Nuttal talking shite again.
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Polls in the last week have shown majority support for the death penalty on stuff like terrorism and child murder. Support for it does always leap up after an attack though.
 
Never doubt the tories for anything but canny, the peculiar turn on their so-called 'own' is extremely baffling. Either someone is for the chop big time, or something is amiss.
 
altodevil86 said:
Need 42-38 for a hung parliament. Getting close. Can't help but feel pessimistic since it always goes the Tories' way on the night.
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Yeah feel the same way.
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Polls in the last week have shown majority support for the death penalty on stuff like terrorism and child murder. Support for it does always leap up after an attack though.
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Ah cheers.
 
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