There are no firm numbers on the number losing the winter fuel allowance either, from what I can see. The young are more likely to absorb this social media bollocks and vote left, and as an example one of our old designers went to some celebration of Thatcher's death, but couldn't actually explain why she hated her. She said she didn't agree with any of her policies (she was a posh fecker, not from a mining town) and yet when pressed couldn't name a single one. It's amazing that some people want to extend the vote to 16 year olds...
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They're not that much less intelligent than plenty of older adults voting Tory that can't name any Labour policies they actually dislike.
I don't care for the income tax hike that will hit my wife.
That's largely the fault of the Tories for being characteristically vague on it if we're fair.
But yeah in general, pensioners are the last people I'm basing my vote on after their protection from cuts over the past seven years (the left used to complain about that, with some justification). I get that its being doing for political purposes, but jesus.
Things William Wallace would never have said: "You might take our lives, but here: Take our freedoms too!"
Which is fair enough on your part, because you're a Tory leaning voter who I'd say knows his stuff. But there are plenty out there on either side both young and old who don't really have a clue. It's not exclusive to 16-year old's.
no i don't agree with everything on their.... i was using this agreed "shitty" 'Meme' in an attempted humorous way, as the slogan at the bottom made me laugh as its ironic, (possibly in the alanis morissette definition of the word.) as by in large pensioners are gonna vote tory!
as for should all pensioners get winter fuel payments, bus passes ...... i had this argument with my gran a few months back, my argument was my gran is fairly well off, far better of then me, why should she get all these benefits? i was arguing that it should be done on the wealth of the pensioner.
My grans argument was she worked her whole life, scrimped saved, (for the record its not like she was in a well paid job she was a nurse and my Grandad (now sadly passed on) was a coal man ) ..... while some of her friends didn't save, spent and wasted thier money..... why should they get given free money that she wasn't getting, it would be like they where been rewarded for not saving.
to which i replied, not everyone gets the opportunity to work and save like she did, lifes hard and complicated,
to which she agreed, then said it should be done on a case by case bases,
to which i said you can't do that over millions of people......
at which point we got to an impasse......
So in short no i don't agree that peter Hargreaves gets the same fuel payment....... but working out who deserves it and who doesn't...... well i don't have an answer.
but in general i'd say im not really that worried about the current crop of pensioners, the last time i checked they where one of the wealthiest demographics out there. So the way i'm voting has nothing to do with pensions.
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It was a snap election and it's out to consultation I guess. The pensioners are tough crowd for any party- such a large number of people and they have paid in to the system for decades tbf- I understand the resentment, but am not totally comfortable with it.
It's not so much resentment, I know the grey vote has to be appealed to by any party that wants to win and anyone proposing taking money or benefits away from them do so at their own risk, and if the Tories had played it safe and done a Cameron and Osborne manifesto with extra immigrant and EU bashing they'd have won a majority of 160+, just mild amusement at the left now glorying in Mail-esque scaremongering for them. Who knew that what is in effect a large inheritance tax could so quickly morph into the seizing of homes!
Fair enough. As someone older and more engaged than most, I've struggled massively with this election tbh. May tipped it for me.
A lot of pensioners are cash poor and asset rich (housing), particularly in the south east. I've had the same convo with my mum, who is 71. She grew up in rationing, is getting zero return on her savings etc...and voted Brexit (that's a whole other level of damage to our relationship).
I do believe that meme is misleading though and unhelpful. I understand why it's happening, but equally I don't like the age divisions appearing in our society. I have my Mauritian in-laws over at the mo' and the sense of family they have is actually inspiring. What we have is a bitter divide, which is sad.
My grandparents are long dead sadly and I feel that having lived trough WWII they would have voted leave- they were the kindest most loving people I've ever known known though. Sorry, I'm pissed and rambling, but I do dislike young people's disregard of older folk.
This thread needs more levity.to be honest i've seen a lot of young people fighting for the rights of pensioners in this election, its been quite nice to see.
ow and its fine to drunken ramble
this has probably been posted already
They could've gotten away with the curbs on WFP had they but given back in other ways. Improved energy efficiency in the home, a more detailed plan for intervening against fuel poverty...something. The ridiculed 'Strong and Stable' slogan, has been rather mismanaged IMO. Maybe the eventual result will be better than i expect, however the missed opportunities seem all too glaring.
What the hell, those Mail and Sun covers are terrible. I thought we had it bad with some of our press, but that's an insanely low level.
Also, I don't think it's customary for newspapers around here telling their readers how to vote. I don't really like that. I've seen it happens in the US too.
Also, I don't think it's customary for newspapers around here telling their readers how to vote. I don't really like that. I've seen it happens in the US too.
Until the Independent abandoned print production, the three largest parties all had at least one newspaper declaring for them. The Sun was pro-Labour once.
#LastMinuteCorbynSmears beginning to trend on twitter
It led me to this, which I think is the single most ignorant thing I've ever read.
Hitler wants to replace nationalism with globalism apparently. And Stalin is famous as an isolationist in opposition to the communist tradition and Trotsky.
Corbyn is the man. He is Hope.
However the older voters do have the benefit of experience and remembering the mess the last couple of Labour governments left behind. They don't need to list off specific policies.
Telegraph this morning
Special Branch monitored Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'
Diane Abbott also had a file open on her during the period in the same “subversive” category
Special Branch monitored Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'
Diane Abbott also had a file open on her during the period in the same “subversive” category
He's 86. It's the trendy thing to do in his peer group.
I know we talk about May (and her campaigning shortcomings) a lot, but is she actually getting any help by senior Tory figures? I'm limited to sky news and online coverage so I'm possibly missing huge amounts of the campaign, but the only cabinet member I saw more of than usually is Amber Rudd. Philip Hammond, Elizabeth Truss, Justine Greening, David Davis, Liam Fox and the likes have hardly been out there banging the drum for May. Are they hoping for a smaller than expected majority to replace her?
Now there's a surprise, not wanting to contribute more to pay for health of the country,
Lynton Crosby's campaigning technique is to choose a message, hammer away at it & tune out distractions from it & tune out other 'noise'. So I would presume the Brexit trustworthiness & Theresa May her self was all he thought that they needed. Events have intervened a little bit, obviously. And there was TM not being very good, but they've never been far away. Strong & stable got rested for something else equally facile I can't remember, but that's about it, isn't it?
Oh he had Johnson & Rudd do a bit of the dirty stuff didn't he - working over Corbyn as the doomsday alternative to these twats.
Crosby got knighted & is a milionaire consultant for formulating this shite.
Oh he had Johnson & Rudd do a bit of the dirty stuff didn't he - working over Corbyn as the doomsday alternative to these twats.
Crosby got knighted & is a milionaire consultant for formulating this shite.
I got the impression that was by design - run a Presidential campaign but minimise errors by mainly hiding from the public. It's only Rudd, May, Fallon and Boris I've seen. Though feck knows how Boris made it into that select group.
he's a man of the people is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
If Corbyn's performance is as good as some of the polls suggest he'll deserve a lot of credit. That said if it isn't why do I get the feeling the blame will be deflected to anyone but him?
It's all set up for 'It's all Jeremy's hard work!' or 'fecking media!'
It's all set up for 'It's all Jeremy's hard work!' or 'fecking media!'
Voted Labour in my postal vote already. Unfortunately now I live in an area that's been a Tory seat since the day it was created.
The general principle of pinching the top to subsidise public services for all is something I agree with. Corporation tax increases are the right thing to do, and the proposed increase in income tax won't hurt the tax bill too much proportionally to pay.
I've long thought one of the real issues in this country is our inability to look after our own bodies. Increasing NHS demand on things like self-inflicted heart desease and diabetics (to name just two) is the single biggest strain on a system that is slowly collapsing. How we fix that I don't know, but education to youth has to be key - which is impossible when every school in the country under the tories will have reduced funding and reduced teachers.
Just some of the reasons for my vote.
The general principle of pinching the top to subsidise public services for all is something I agree with. Corporation tax increases are the right thing to do, and the proposed increase in income tax won't hurt the tax bill too much proportionally to pay.
I've long thought one of the real issues in this country is our inability to look after our own bodies. Increasing NHS demand on things like self-inflicted heart desease and diabetics (to name just two) is the single biggest strain on a system that is slowly collapsing. How we fix that I don't know, but education to youth has to be key - which is impossible when every school in the country under the tories will have reduced funding and reduced teachers.
Just some of the reasons for my vote.
He deserves credit anyway. A snap election was called because Tories thought it would be a landslide regardless - that's obvious because of how unprepared they are to run their own campaign. They hadn't got a clue what they were really offering and that's why it's been a flurry of contradictions.
Corbyn, and Labour in general, with the exception of a few individuals have been largely consistent and very resilient to challenge on their manifesto. The two parties have been worlds apart in the last few weeks, and the polls reflect that. Whether the gap was just too big to overcome is another story.
Good read from one of the best football journalists around IMO.
When the Tories start heavily regulating the press, they will have earned it.
Why do you read them? In fact why are there so many links to shitty rags on this forum in general?