That's fine (assuming true, which it looks like it is). The tweet yesterday was fake.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
That's fine (assuming true, which it looks like it is). The tweet yesterday was fake.
I've had
2009 Kent Local Election
2009 EU MEP Elections (closed list)
2010 General Election
2011 AV Referendum (lost)
2012 Kent Police Crime Commissioner
2013 Kent Local Election
2014 EU MEP Elections (closed list)
2015 General Election
2016 Kent Police Crime Commissioner (didn't vote, turnout was like 20%)
2016 EU Referendum (lost)
never had a candidate I've voted for elected.
No Taxation without Proportional Representation.
2009 Kent Local Election
2009 EU MEP Elections (closed list)
2010 General Election
2011 AV Referendum (lost)
2012 Kent Police Crime Commissioner
2013 Kent Local Election
2014 EU MEP Elections (closed list)
2015 General Election
2016 Kent Police Crime Commissioner (didn't vote, turnout was like 20%)
2016 EU Referendum (lost)
never had a candidate I've voted for elected.
No Taxation without Proportional Representation.
Not a problem socially, but as a candidate for parliament, I expect a little more. She could get a nice "Labour@LabourCandidate.co.uk" email for like £6 a yearI use a personal hotmail.
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Why ?
This is the guy who said he knew for certain Corbyn voted out in the referendum. He talks a incredible amount of shite.
Anyway we'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
I know. My major concern with leaving the EU was that as soon as we were out the Tories would scrap our Human Rights and Workers Rights. The first part is coming to fruition the second wont be far behind.
Good negotiation requires good will on both sides, or for one party to have such a strong position that they can apply enough pressure to basically force the other to comply with their demands. The UK certainly doesn't have the latter, and the Tories have done everything in their power to piss off the European leaders they would be negotiating with. If the UK walks into those talks with their noses in the air and a superior attitude they're going to get met with hostility and the EU will use its economic superiority to drive the hardest bargain possible. I have no idea why people think a hardline approach from us is a good idea, its a recipe for absolute disaster.
Yep, they are Using Brexit & Terrorism as a guise for what they want to achieve while in power.
Privatisation & continuing to sell off homes to the highest foreign bidder will come soon after.
I thought Lord Sugar was a big Labour supporter? What's happened there
Protecting his own interests? Higher corporation and top bracket tax plans would hurt his lavish holiday plans, I suppose.
Selfishness, in my opinion. Although it's being spun as him being an example to follow.
Leave the hyperbole at the door next time you enter the thread.
This thread is 95% pro Labour hyperbole.
Poor punctuation, "a" instead of "an", hashtag in block capitals, makes shit computers. You get a "Try Harder" sticker, Alan...
He left Labour because he thought the direction it took under Miliband was too anti-business, so he's unlikely to have been won back by Corbyn.
Hope Jez fires him ion winning.
If you think its bad now wait for all the bitterness and nastiness that will be unleashed on the 9th when people wake up to 5 more years of May
Not sure what is particularly important about this cheque. He's paying his taxes, good for him, as he should. Incredibly wealthy man who will never have to suffer due to a Tory government.
I guess the point is, he loves that he pays a lot of tax. He dislikes the general direction Corbyn is leading us in.
Which is fair enough really.
Supporting a Party isn't the same as supporting a football team, you should change your mind as the facts change.
I'm a member of Labour voting for the Lib Dems in this election. Think Corbyn's plans for Brexit alongside such an 'ambitious' manifesto would only result in disaster for the country's economy. Apologies if you think that makes me a selfish cnut.
What's wrong with ambitious? Is it that another aspect of society might drop down as a result of investment in things currently being neglected, such as the NHS/Policing?
If there was an area of society you would NOT want on it's arse, it would be that, right? So if ambitious means we fail elsewhere, at least it might not cost/impact as many lives?
Very simplistic, I know, but if one of the governments is going to rob Peter to pay Paul, I'd rather Paul = Useful shit.
'Honest graft? Sugar's products I bought usually fell apart before long.
Alan Sugar loves paying tax is an argument I'm struggling with a tiny bit, tbh.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...Life-sweet-Lord-Sugar-pays-181m-dividend.html
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...Life-sweet-Lord-Sugar-pays-181m-dividend.html
He loves that he pays tax? Really?
I don't mind people who operate under selfish interest but he loves paying tax is nonsense
Maybe love is the wrong word... But he says he frames it and puts it on a wall
Definitely, his double cassettes were so shit they should do him for another £ 58 million.
Okay, so these are the ones that Theresa May was in the Commons for.
Voted against
2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
Abstained on
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
Voted for
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.
Can't find when the vote was
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
And they're from the ones you've listed. Not including stuff that Corbyn may have voted for that May didn't.
No, I don't think it does. I think it's selfish that you desert a party you've supported at the first sign they might want to help others by taxing you more. He jumped ship when Ed was around, not with Corbyn. Now he's in bed with the Tories, you don't think that's even a little selfish? He's all for supporting young enterprise when it comes to no expense of his own.
Hmm, what is the actual criminal charge I wonder? Something about dissemination of information? I could try to diversify my record tomorrow...
People are expecting 5 more years of May. What we are hoping is that she doesn't get a large majority.
If this were the extent of Labour's spending plans, along with the education policies outside of tuition fees, it would be a very realistic programme. Maybe a bit shaky in the long run with Brexit on the horizon, but doable over the next parliament. Goes a lot further though, even before you take into account beginning four arduous renationalisations that the civil service would have to undertake simultaneously to Brexit shenanigans. Another thing that hasn't really been talked about at all is keeping the pension age at 66, which is very expensive.
I doubt the nationalisation thing would begin overnight, we have a seriously heavy workload coming with Brexit and they'll be realistic about that, but at the same time its not going to be all consuming for the entire civil service.
Re the pension age, we do have an aging population but also an ever increasing amount of wealth in the country. It's always sold to us by the right as if the pot of available money is endlessly shrinking, and yet big business is booming. Those two things can't simultaneously be true.
Guessing your MP is Cryer?
Realistically we expect there to be five more years of May. Guess the margin of victory might lead to the "bitterness and nastiness" if it ends up being a whitewash.
All I ever think about when I see Sugar, is his facial hair is horrific. Either clean shave or grow a proper beard you scruffy cnut.
Fair arguments, and I'm not demonising anyone who votes Labour.
My opinion differs in that I think the business community (and related investment) would react disastrously to Labour's economic plans alongside a hard Brexit. The whole country would then be poorer and no party would be funding the NHS to the level I would want them to.
That's not to say in any way that I'm supporting the Tories' vision of Brexit or the wider economy. I want a credible Labour Party who support public services while providing the fundamentals to support economic growth. I imagine a number of people feel that the current leadership fail on the latter account.
Was Stella Creasy when I lived near you mate. Now in Vauxhall and it's Kate Hoey. I'll happily vote against her, the local Lib Dem seems a good egg too.
The real story of election night will be whether YouGov is hailed as the best polling company in the UK (1% chance), or never receives business again (99%).
The difference is the quantity of Tory twats has been consistent for the last few elections, annoying as they are. From personal experience the quantity of Labour hard line nut-jobs has multiplied hugely over the past several weeks and now outnumber the aforementioned Tories nut-jobs several times over. The last few weeks I've spoken to previously level-headed Labour supporters who were always somewhat balanced and even they have become much more militant and inward looking.
I'm very surprised and in my view it has nothing to do with Conservative policies. The Tory party 5 years ago were far more aggressive in terms of spending frugality, but during the Miliband campaign things were cordial in comparison. Therefore I can only deduct that the change in leadership and change in Labour strategy has centered around animosity and division.
Any level headed person realises that both parties are trying to do the best for as many people as they can with a different view of how to achieve it. In fact I believe the statistics posted several pages ago show that both manifesto's will have a similar effect on 90% of the population; with the Liberal Democrat manifesto being by far the most generous for the bottom 20%. I didn't want to post about specific policies but free tuition fee's for example are proven to benefit the middle classes far more than anyone else and at a cost into the tens of billions is a real waste of money to anyone who cares about the poor. Higher tuition fee's are one of the most progressive taxes we have with the majority of the upper and upper-middle classes going to University vs a minority of very poor people. It was clearly a cynical bribe to increase youth voter turnout at the expense of the poor.
Well, this isn't even close to the truth.
Whilst anecdotal, the arguments I am seeing all over the internet in favour of a Conservative vote actually relate to foreign policy and domestic terrorism. Overwhelmingly so.
Outside of this thread, I've not even seen a hint of the bolded train of thought anywhere. I simply don't believe if anyone tried to articulate that message even half as well that they would be met with a torrent of abuse. Leave the hyperbole at the door next time you enter the thread.
I wish I were being hyperbolic, but it genuinely isn't the case. I saw someone just this morning change their Facebook status to "voting Conservative". He didn't post any views, didn't try to change anyone else's mind and said nothing. Within an hour the comments section ran into the dozens which ranged from sheer disgust at how he was voting to literally stating that he must not understand what the parties stand for. The levels of condescension and revulsion caused him to delete the entire post within a few hours.
I have no objection to increased public spending but it needs to be effective, and I simply don't trust Corbyn and his frontbench to deliver on this. Secondly, it should be funded by a tax on wealth rather than income. Hammering someone earning 70k a year who can barely afford to buy a property is targeting the wrong people while many of the older generation (who rely more on the NHS) are sat on huge windfalls from property price rises over the last 30 years.
Indirect Taxes includes VAT which accounts for 17% about the same as National Insurance. Fuel, Tobacco and Alcohol taxes add another 7% to take the total to 24%