Get Mauricio In

el3mel said:
Ok, let's get Allegri in then. He's a trophy winner and has ton of leagues and cups in his trophy cabinet. I guess this solves all your complains about Poch ?

"Oh not his football is shit" is the answer upcoming I guess.

Anything to justify not reviewing the manager position.
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No? I think alot of us agree that Ole is in over his head. But bringing in someone how clearly breaks under pressure and play's pretty much the exact same style as Ole, when that style is not fitting our current squad wont solve anything.

We should aim for a fantastic manager, not a slightly better one.
Nagelsmann is the answer and if the club is serious and ambitious they should do everything to get him in.
 
I fear PSG will get him in before we even get a chance with Tuchel seemingly on the ropes...
 
Rolaholic said:
I fear PSG will get him in before we even get a chance with Tuchel seemingly on the ropes...
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Me too. I think they have him on the agenda big time.

Good thing is Rose and Hasenhüttl would be good as well. All of them love some proper hands on approach to coaching, so there is that. Ed loves the bigger name though and i am sure would prefer Poch
 
Can we just acknowledge that Pochettino is still relatively young in his managerial career, and I think judging him on silverware is more of a product of the clubs he was managing, and not on his abilities as a manager.

For me, it seems like he wants the job. Why is he still not employed at another club? He looks like he'd want the challenge. The fact remains that Pochettino made Spurs into a very good team that just couldn't take the next step. He wasn't backed with recruitment all of the time, but still managed to get the best of the players he had more often than not.

I don't see a better option around. What have Rose/Nagelsmann/Hasenhuntl etc won? Allegri has won titles in Italy with Juve. Hardly a titanic achievement given the competition in that league. I think what happened with Pochettino was that his Spurs team was coming towards the end of its cycle (usually around 3/4 years) and he didn't have the investment that was required to freshen things up. When you lose momentum as a club, then you're in trouble.

I think he would get the support here. I think Ole was given the job out of a mixture of post-Mourinho elation, sentimentality and bad decision making at executive level. We're now compounding that by showing 'loyalty' and 'faith' in Ole.
 
There is only one manager united should be going for and that is Julian Nagelsmann.

All this Poch nonsens must be a joke , what has he done got tottenham to the cl final for so to get sacked!
He has done nothing.
 
Castia said:
Go and have a look at Spurs when he took over. Shite squad, only ever qualified for the CL once before he arrived.

Built a quality squad with zero budget up against City, United and Chelsea who we’re spending between 400-500m each and regularly challenged within the top 4.
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He built up a good squad you are correct. But what did he achieve with it?

I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I'm not saying he's no better than Ole, he obviously is. But does he have the attributes to take United to the Premier league title or win trophies? I've seen no evidence he can do these things and imo that on its own is enough to look elsewhere.

If we're going to get a manager in with no track record of winning trophies I'd rather look at the wolves manager or hasenhuttl.

We missed the boat with Ancellote, he is the man we should have brought in & he's a different level to potch.
 
Steve Bruce said:
He built up a good squad you are correct. But what did he achieve with it?

I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I'm not saying he's no better than Ole, he obviously is. But does he have the attributes to take United to the Premier league title or win trophies? I've seen no evidence he can do these things and imo that on its own is enough to look elsewhere.

If we're going to get a manager in with no track record of winning trophies I'd rather look at the wolves manager or hasenhuttl.

We missed the boat with Ancellote, he is the man we should have brought in & he's a different level to potch.
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But what was he expected to win? what right did he even have of challenging within the top 4 given his opponents squads? he got Spurs to second and a CL final they had no right to be there. If he had the 500m United had during that time he would have probably produced a treble (not really but you get my point)

United we're signing, Pogba, Di Maria, Lukaku etc whilst he was given Wanyama and finishing second he had completely different objectives.
 
Watching them was really enthralling until 2018-19. They played fluid, quick football, and counter attacked at speed. They honestly reminded me of our heralded stunning 06-09 team. From then though, he made them a more functional team to squeeze the last drops out of a team coming to an organic end of a cycle. Still made the CL final, but lost it and there and then, it was over for Poch at Spurs. He even flew back to Barcelona rather than London with the squad as he was devastated and had to relax. However, for those 4 seasons, he really convinced me that he was the man despite the lack of silverware.

Poch in!
 
Bojan11 said:
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Very indifferent to this. Solskjaer clearly hasn’t got it, and it’s clearly a matter of time before he’s binned, but I just don’t think Pochettino will be a success story either. I’m very resigned to our mediocrity for a while, depressingly enough.
 
eire-red said:
Can we just acknowledge that Pochettino is still relatively young in his managerial career, and I think judging him on silverware is more of a product of the clubs he was managing, and not on his abilities as a manager.

For me, it seems like he wants the job. Why is he still not employed at another club? He looks like he'd want the challenge. The fact remains that Pochettino made Spurs into a very good team that just couldn't take the next step. He wasn't backed with recruitment all of the time, but still managed to get the best of the players he had more often than not.

I don't see a better option around. What have Rose/Nagelsmann/Hasenhuntl etc won? Allegri has won titles in Italy with Juve. Hardly a titanic achievement given the competition in that league. I think what happened with Pochettino was that his Spurs team was coming towards the end of its cycle (usually around 3/4 years) and he didn't have the investment that was required to freshen things up. When you lose momentum as a club, then you're in trouble.

I think he would get the support here. I think Ole was given the job out of a mixture of post-Mourinho elation, sentimentality and bad decision making at executive level. We're now compounding that by showing 'loyalty' and 'faith' in Ole.
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Judging any manager on silverware is nonsense nowadays really.

Every league in Europe is dominated by one or two clubs. If you're one of those clubs, you win everything every year. If you're not, you win nothing.

If you judge purely on trophies then we should be looking at Allegri. Or Valverde. Or Pellegrini. Or any of the people who've had the Bayern job in the last 10 years.

Managers should be judged on the way their teams play and the way they improve players. Those factors are the same, whether you're running a big or a small club.
 
Rolaholic said:
I fear PSG will get him in before we even get a chance with Tuchel seemingly on the ropes...
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I just hope that Poch will want to stay in PL. Otherwise yes, PSG can grab him while Ed sits and scratches his b@lls
 
Castia said:
But what was he expected to win? what right did he even have of challenging within the top 4 given his opponents squads? he got Spurs to second and a CL final they had no right to be there. If he had the 500m United had during that time he would have probably produced a treble (not really but you get my point)

United we're signing, Pogba, Di Maria, Lukaku etc whilst he was given Wanyama and finishing second he had completely different objectives.
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He done well, I'm not saying any different, but he did build a good side. He built a side capable of winning trophies and challenging for titles. He failed in that respect.

My argument isn't about his ability to. Build a squad on a low net spend. My argument is when has built the good squad he hasn't been able to produce silverware with it.

Leicester however won the league........
 
Dante said:
Ole out-coached him a week ago.
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So he lost one match against Ole?
By that logic, Pep, Poch, Tuchel etc are all worse than Ole.

Look at Nagelsmanns history and the clubs he has managed and how he has changed them and moved them towards success. He is the next Klopp and we should be doing everything to get him in stead of the half step Poch is.
 
matherto said:
Absolutely.

Anyway I double checked and here's the tale over his Spurs tenure.

2018/19
won 3-0 against United away
lost 2-1 against Liverpool at home
lost 1-0 against City at home
won 3-1 against Chelsea at home
lost 4-2 against Arsenal away
lost 1-0 against United at home
lost 2-0 against Chelsea away
drew 1-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 2-1 against Liverpool away
lost 1-0 against City away

W2 D1 L7

Out of FA Cup in 4th round
Out of League Cup in semi against Chelsea (beat Arsenal in Quarter)
CL Final (beat City in semi, lost against Barca at home, drew away in group stages)

2017/18
lost 2-1 against Chelsea away
won 4-1 against Liverpool at home
lost 1-0 against United away
lost 2-0 against Arsenal away
lost 4-1 against City away
won 2-0 against United at home
drew 2-2 against Liverpool away
won 1-0 against Arsenal at home
won 3-1 against Chelsea away
lost 3-1 against City at home

W4 D1 L5

Out of FA Cup in semi against United
Out of League Cup in 4th round
Out of CL in R16 against Juve (drew 1-1 against Real away, won 3-1 at home in group stages)

2016/17
drew 1-1 against Liverpool at home
won 2-0 against City at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal away
lost 2-1 against Chelsea away
lost 1-0 against United away
won 2-0 against Chelsea at home
drew 2-2 against City away
lost 2-0 against Liverpool away
won 2-0 against Arsenal at home
won 2-1 against United at home

W4 D3 L3

Out of FA Cup in semi against Chelsea
Out of League Cup in 4th round against Liverpool
Out of CL in group stage, out of Europa in R32

2015/16
lost 1-0 against United away
won 4-1 against City at home
drew 0-0 against Liverpool at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal away
drew 0-0 against Chelsea at home
won 2-1 against City away
drew 2-2 against Arsenal at home
drew 1-1 against Livepool away
won 3-0 against United at home
drew 2-2 against Chelsea away

W3 D6 L1

drew 1-1 against Leicester away
lost 1-0 against Leicester at home

Out of FA Cup in 5th round - beat Leicester in 3rd round replay
Out of League Cup in 3rd round
Out of Europa in R16

2014/15
lost 3-0 against Liverpool at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 4-1 against City away
lost 3-0 against Chelsea away
drew 0-0 against United at home
won 5-3 against Chelsea at home
won 2-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 3-2 against Liverpool away
lost 3-0 against United away
lost 1-0 against City at home

W2 D2 L6

Out of FA Cup in 4th round
Lost LC Final against Chelsea
Out of Europa in R32

Actually better in cups than I remember. One good cup run a year but either a semi loss or a final loss (becase he hates to win trophies it seems). I remember the early cup exit was always a theme of his tenure, it almost became a meme and there's one of them a year.

Decent results against Barca and Real.

Distinctly average at best against domestic big teams, bad against Liverpool especially.

Fluked a CL run with a shock result against City over two legs and a fluke last minute winner against Ajax then fecked up the final.

in his best league season he came third in a two horse race, against Leicester.

Do. Not. Want.
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This top 6 record thing is so overrated. Making it the sole criteria because it's the sole criteria that makes Ole looks halfway decent against any PL manager. Ole's top 6 record tells one all they need about why it's an overrated stat. We win all these big matches only to get rolled over the following week when there's any semblance of expectation. It's the statistical equivalent of empty calories. Maybe we can also compile record against the bottom 6 and bottom half while we're at it. The only relevant criteria is whether Poch is a better manager than Ole.
 
Lyng said:
So he lost one match against Ole?
By that logic, Pep, Poch, Tuchel etc are all worse than Ole.

Look at Nagelsmanns history and the clubs he has managed and how he has changed them and moved them towards success. He is the next Klopp and we should be doing everything to get him in stead of the half step Poch is.
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He's not ready for Utd
 
Mauricio isn't very convincing manager, United supporters should want a substantial upgrade in full meaning of the word.

Get the best manager in the world or stop wasting time on lower tier victims of inevitable sacking.
 
Am I the only one that thought Pochetino saying "France" by mistake on MNF was a freudian slip?
 
Van Piorsing said:
Mauricio isn't very convincing manager, United supporters should want a substantial upgrade in full meaning of the word.

Get the best manager in the world or stop wasting time on lower tier victims of inevitable sacking.
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Who is the best manager in the world?
 
Greck said:
This top 6 record thing is so overrated. Making it the sole criteria because it's the sole criteria that makes Ole looks halfway decent against any PL manager. Ole's top 6 record tells one all they need about why it's an overrated stat. We win all these big matches only to get rolled over the following week when there's any semblance of expectation. It's the statistical equivalent of empty calories. Maybe we can also compile record against the bottom 6 and bottom half while we're at it. The only relevant criteria is whether Poch is a better manager than Ole.
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Good post
 
fergieisold said:
Was Poch's Spurs really that dull? I thought they played great football!
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:lol: No they werent. People are going into crazy stages these days and remember Poch's last day as their memories are short.

Pulled a lot of narrow wins over mid and bottom teams also in his reign though. Exactly what Ole can't do. Also won 5-1's, 3-1's and 4-0's
 
What I fear the most is Poch not having the material he needs to play his football. Namely in defence.

Probably needs at least a new right back, who can cross and one or two new faces in central defence (we need that anyways)
 
ROFLUTION said:
What I fear the most is Poch not having the material he needs to play his football. Namely in defence.

Probably needs at least a new right back, who can cross and one or two new faces in central defence (we need that anyways)
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I believe he'll come here with good intentions and fresh energy and then he'll meet Mike Judge and Ed Woodward who both will communicate with him what United can't actually do on the market... and then he'll leave after 2-3 years.

I like Poch as a football personality but he'll need a concrete football plan or it's another 3 years wasted.
 
matherto said:
Reeults in games like this won't change under Pochettino and he has a fecking shambolic record in big games too so we'll be worse off.

Plus we won't be reaching later rounds of cups.

And he's shit at transfers.

And says he doesn't need to win trophies, what kind of attitude is that?
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all true unfortunately.
 
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