Getting rid of Nani

buckooo1978 said:
Was dead agsinst it and he would join our side now as the most unpredictable and skilful plsyer in the squad - would have offered us much better balance than Lingard on the right

I think this as much an example of Glazer cost cutting as Van Gaal misjudgement
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I don't know.... We did bid multiple times for bale... Also Muller & neymar. The problem is the players we target... Of course they don't want to come here at this stage in their careers. Why would they?

If we has sensible leadership on the footballing side of affairs we would have bid for players like Griezmann, aubameyang, gundogan and laporte.... And where would be be now? We would be winning.

Ed Woodward should be nowhere near managing the day to day footballing side of things. Until we get that right we are doomed to repeat the cycle of mediocrity that has perpetuated since SAF retired.
 
Cina said:
Bullshit.
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I dont think that's 100% bullshit.. The most consistent thing about Nani was his inconsistancy. He, Raf, Anderson and Evans all had to go.... We just did a shit job of replacing them.
 
Cina said:
Nani had oodles more talent than Memphis does I think. In fact he was so ridiculously talented that it's very frustrating he didn't become one of the best wingers out there, aside from that 12-18 month spell.
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I agree.. Nani always had the ability, it's his decision making that always let him down. He really should have been one of the best RW's in Europe.
 
I always thought Nani was a really tricky and dangerous spice to add to the mix. He had a bit of temper though like many southern street boys like him have. I think he got a lot better as he grew older and just as we got rid of him I felt like he was mature and ready to perform on the highest level. Perhaps not what we wanted for the next 5 years but a really useful squad member. And who would have thought that Di Maria would flop that bad? In a normal case we could have replaced Nani in a good way and non of this would even be discussed.
 
sdb4884 said:
Getting rid of Nani and Rafael. Damn him.
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Raf was one of my fav players, but was injured more often than not and therefore Undependable. Damian was a pretty good replacement, he just hasn't played to his potential so far.
 
This is what its come down to has it? lamenting a guy who struggled to cement himself into our team for 7 odd years before getting jeered off the pitch in his final apppearances.
 
ravi2 said:
I dont think that's 100% bullshit.. The most consistent thing about Nani was his inconsistancy. He, Raf, Anderson and Evans all had to go.... We just did a shit job of replacing them.
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i don't think Raf belongs in this list, and feel like most of the stuff he has had thrown at him since he left in regards to performances is nonsense. But he couldn't stay fit and, like Jones, there's only so much you can deal with.

Aside from that, I agree, I don't think theres a player we've sold, Di Maria aside probably (but thats a different story) who we should miss. Their time was either up, and they were rightly moved on, or they had ambitions in terms of game time that we could not fulfil. The problem is that we haven't been able to get in players to replace them. I think we've made some really smart decisions in who we haven't signed (passing on Pedro in particular) but we went into the season light up top and we're paying the price.
 
NinjaFletch said:
i don't think Raf belongs in this list, and feel like most of the stuff he has had thrown at him since he left in regards to performances is nonsense. But he couldn't stay fit and, like Jones, there's only so much you can deal with.

Aside from that, I agree, I don't think theres a player we've sold, Di Maria aside probably (but thats a different story) who we should miss. Their time was either up, and they were rightly moved on, or they had ambitions in terms of game time that we could not fulfil. The problem is that we haven't been able to get in players to replace them. I think we've made some really smart decisions in who we haven't signed (passing on Pedro in particular) but we went into the season light up top and we're paying the price.
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Ed Woodward has to realize his galatico or bust policy isn't working. Because Ramos didn't sign doesn't mean we cant sign laporte and because neymar doesn't sign doesn't mean we cant sign Griezmann or aubameyang.
Woodward is not a real footballing man and we are paying the price for his mistakes.
 
ravi2 said:
Ed Woodward has to realize his galatico or bust policy isn't working. Because Ramos didn't sign doesn't mean we cant sign laporte and because neymar doesn't sign doesn't mean we cant sign Griezmann or aubameyang.
Woodward is not a real footballing man and we are paying the price for his mistakes.
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Its definitely not a galactico or bust policy. Woodward is in a no win position with high profile signings though, if they do move and it turns out the club wasn't interested in them everyone loses their shit. It's just about getting the balance right between pursuing unlikely targets, and then realising when they're not going to happen.

I think the transfer strategy is on the whole actually fine, people just lose their shit over why we aren't signing player X,Y or Z only to be shown why we haven't done that later on. I don't think we'd be better off if we signed a bunch of players who aren't good enough to improve us, simply for the sake of buying someone. That seems to be what people are advocating. I can't think of many players that the Caf decided were players we had to buy and lost their shit that we didn't who then went on to prove us wrong for not going for them. Otamendi and Pedro were the most recent two, and we showed good judgement in avoiding them.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
If there is one person United fans are obsessed with more than CR7 it's got to be Nani.

Frustrating player who will never reach his potential. It's not like we've not given him time, effort or opportunities.

Good riddance.
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Agreed. This smacks of straw clutching.
 
There is a bit of a tendency when things are going awfully with the starting 11 to look at players on the bench or no longer in the squad and say they could do a better job. Its usually the case though that people think of that player at the peak of their abilities. Nani at the peak of his abilities was devastating and one of the best in the league for assists season after season. However his peak was so long ago, he'd be offering nothing to the team at all. It's like last season when the match day threads everybody would be screaming for di maria to come on and he would and then be our shittest player. The same with how Herrera was supposed to solve everything then schneiderlin and kagawa before, you have to take into account how they are playing at the time, Nani is not the level we are aiming for.
 
To get rid of Nani then start Mata match after match is inept decision making.
 
I love nani, he was inconsistent but at least he could actually have some magic game changing moments to keep us entertained. Hes head and shoulders above anything we have in our squad now.
 
RedSky said:
You're only remembering the bad though of which the final two seasons there was plenty of bad. Truth is, he was a big game player and would always turn up. He'd always put a shift in and at least keep going, his head would never drop. Sir Alex obviously trusted him enough to play him against Madrid in the CL tie which he was excellent until he was bizarrely sent off. He would walk into this team I honestly believe that. Our starting quality at the moment is really poor Carl.

Certainly think he was mis managed for a while though, but thats hardly a surprise given how many of our players were mis managed in Sir Alexs final season and the less we mention Daves handling of players the better.
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Nah, I remember plenty of the good. Not consistent enough. A more than handy squad player, but as you've correctly observed, he needs to play every game to be at his best but he's not good enough to be assured of a first team spot.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
I love nani, he was inconsistent but at least he could actually have some magic game changing moments to keep us entertained. Hes head and shoulders above anything we have in our squad now.
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I second this.

Nani could lap this Utd team 3 times and still beat them running up the field. With the ball at his feet. Plus he wasn't afraid to take a chance, which for whatever reason, every player on this team is.
 
Nani is shit, move on!

Up next "RVP STILL THE REAL DEAL" thread, or " WELBECK GOAL PROVES HES NEXT MESSI". We sold all the players at the correct time, and despite popular belief we actually bought well, you only need to look at the reactions to the signings to realise that.
 
RedSky said:
You're only remembering the bad though of which the final two seasons there was plenty of bad. Truth is, he was a big game player and would always turn up. He'd always put a shift in and at least keep going, his head would never drop. Sir Alex obviously trusted him enough to play him against Madrid in the CL tie which he was excellent until he was bizarrely sent off. He would walk into this team I honestly believe that. Our starting quality at the moment is really poor Carl.

Certainly think he was mis managed for a while though, but thats hardly a surprise given how many of our players were mis managed in Sir Alexs final season and the less we mention Daves handling of players the better.
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The season United won the league by 11 points? I'd take that kind of mismanagement any day of the week compared to the utter dross that is happening now.
 
VG could have worked with some of the best players in the world, and he still would have failed .Hell I could see him ruining the Barcelona team of last season

psychdelicblues said:
The season United won the league by 11 points? I'd take that kind of mismanagement any day of the week compared to the utter dross that is happening now.
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The reality is? its been a combination of 2 managers who will go down has 2 managers one summed up has one out of his depth, the other a manager that is so outdated he is set in his ways so much, he is blaming everyone but himself
 
Raoul said:
Well done LvG and Ed.

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All I think when watching that video is how sluggish and poor the opposition look.

Van Persie has scored 8 in 19 in a poor league. It's hardly a record that screams "why did we let him go?!" Is it?
 
Pexbo said:
All I think when watching that video is how sluggish and poor the opposition look.

Van Persie has scored 8 in 19 in a poor league. It's hardly a record that screams "why did we let him go?!" Is it?
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I think we let them go because of wages more than anything. Considering how rubbish we've been in terms of ideas in the final third, it would've made sense to keep at least one of them.
 
caisenma said:
This thread is hilarious revisionism at its finest. Nani is playing in Turkey for a reason.
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Great logic. Pretty much in the same vein as Januzaj flopped at Dortmund for a reason.
 
I'm not going to pretend that Nani would've been some saviour for us, but at least he would've given us another decent option and he fit the system.

I also don't get the Turkey criticism. He's not playing in Turkey because he was so awful that no other club wanted him. He's there because they're one of the few clubs who can afford to pay him close to the wages he was making here.
 
Raoul said:
Great logic. Pretty much in the same vein as Januzaj flopped at Dortmund for a reason.
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Right. Because Adnan was there for half a season, got zero starts and admittedly was poor in his rare sub opportunities... And was 20 years old.

Nani was gash for years and literally got booed off in his final appearance for us. He got sold to Turkey for a reason, but nice work trying to crowbar Adnan in for good measure. Im pretty sure every post of yours to me has included some disparaging remark about him, as if that's supposed to offend me.
 
caisenma said:
Right. Because Adnan was there for half a season, got zero starts and admittedly was poor in his rare sub opportunities... And was 20 years old.

Nani was gash for years and literally got booed off in his final appearance for us. He got sold to Turkey for a reason, but nice work trying to crowbar Adnan in for good measure. Im pretty sure every post of yours to me has included some disparaging remark about him, as if that's supposed to offend me.
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It wasn't meant to offend you, just trying to draw a parallel that your logic was a bit strange given your affinity for Januzaj, who has flattered to deceive since his handful of good performances under Moyes. Spare Ronaldo, Nani was our most creative player and had a very good year in Portugal. We could've used his creativity to help what has probably been our worst attack in decades.
 
Raoul said:
It wasn't meant to offend you, just trying to draw a parallel that your logic was a bit strange given your affinity for Januzaj, who has flattered to deceive since his handful of good performances under Moyes. Spare Ronaldo, Nani was our most creative player and had a very good year in Portugal. We could've used his creativity to help what has probably been our worst attack in decades.
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Honestly mate, at this point I dont think Messi or Ronaldo would make that much of a difference. Our set up is fecked... We have/had enough excellent players in our team to make us better but almost all have been borderline failures. It's the manager in my opinion who is to blame.
 
Raoul said:
It wasn't meant to offend you, just trying to draw a parallel that your logic was a bit strange given your affinity for Januzaj, who has flattered to deceive since his handful of good performances under Moyes. Spare Ronaldo, Nani was our most creative player and had a very good year in Portugal. We could've used his creativity to help what has probably been our worst attack in decades.
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How long are fans going to keep doing this? Just let it go man. Nani was far from our most creative during his last 2 seasons. Injuries affected his fitness and he was never first option under fergie or Moyes.
 
entropy said:
How long are fans going to keep doing this? Just let it go man. Nani was far from our most creative during his last 2 seasons. Injuries affected his fitness and he was never first option under fergie or Moyes.
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I'm more interested in solving our problems in attack. Nani by all accounts had a very good year in Portugal and was sold because he didn't fit into LvG's "profile" and Ed was happy to oblige to offload his wages. Given our performances in attack, and the fact that LvG is fecking clueless, it stands to reason that having Nani's creativity, technical ability, and pace would've come in handy this year.
 
Memphis works his butt off? Err what matches have you been watching this season? Memphis is just not good enough. Lazy and complacent, needs a rocket up his *rse and to be made aware what a privilege it is to play for United. Nani is not an LVG player. I liked Nani but he was frustrating - bizarrely though, he's what we need now, some one who offers something different. At least he tried to take players on.....
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I really find it weird people can still talk about ""Nani's creativity, technical ability, and pace" when his overall end impact (over the course of a season) was pretty mediocre.
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He was in Portugal for the last year.
 
Genuine question.
Before Nani's dip in form did he not get a pretty bad injury? Was this a factor in his decline, as I remember him being a scary player for United at one time.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
If there is one person United fans are obsessed with more than CR7 it's got to be Nani.

Frustrating player who will never reach his potential. It's not like we've not given him time, effort or opportunities.

Good riddance.
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But we didnt, and its been pointed out already.

Nani's best games and form was from the right, but we bought Valencia in and he could only play one position. This meant Nani had to play left wing or get no game time.

Nani paid the price of being versatile just like Valencia gained from being a one dimensional guy.

And as this thread suggest, has Memphis performed any better than Nani would have done? I doubt it. Imagine Nani and Di Maria flanking Martial as a front three? we can only dream.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
Genuine question.
Before Nani's dip in form did he not get a pretty bad injury? Was this a factor in his decline, as I remember him being a scary player for United at one time.
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He was electric in 09/10 then he got injured and Valencia took over the wing. Nani would never get more than a game on the right ever again for us.
 
RedStarUnited said:
He was electric in 09/10 then he got injured and Valencia took over the wing. Nani would never get more than a game on the right ever again for us.
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Yeah that's the impression I got.
Football is such a brutal game sometimes, you can be just an injury away from mediocrity.
 
Half the people who bemoan our lack of risk taking and lack of players who take people on, were the same people who loathed Nani because his risks sometime didn't come off, even though overall his end product was better than most players. The irony is amusing.

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I really find it weird people can still talk about ""Nani's creativity, technical ability, and pace" when his overall end impact (over the course of a season) was pretty mediocre.
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Probably because that's pretty much bollocks. He is still in the top 20 assists all time in the Premier League. So if that is lacking end product then practically 99% of the feckers in the league are lacking it.
 
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