This is really not looking very likely right now and people have all the reason to be concerned as it looks like City will pull further away from us. Not everyone has to be the top red that you are.
Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I couldn't understand the meltdown overhere, no doubt that Pep is one of the top managers around, but nothing magical about him. What he did at Barca and Bayern could be done bye any of those decent managers out there in my opinion. I would have said the same had he taken United job but it seems the guy doesn't want to leave his comfort zone.
Oversimplification to say that Mou can beat Pep.
Pep owned him to begin with but when things unraveled behind the scenes at Barca then Mou took advantage. I'm sure that if they meet again Mou will win battles but Pep will win the war.
That's right. Jose has got a great record against Pep.
Indeed.
After Jose was fired, at the very next game, the fans were holding up placards in support of Jose. Chelsea fans clearly felt that Jose was not at fault...the players were.
He couldn't handle the pressure at Barca. He walked away.
At Bayern there wasn't too much pressure because there is no competition in the Bundesliga at the moment.
At City it will be a very different story. He will be back under serious pressure.
You're all heart.
He was tired of the board political battle like Txiki and Soriano.
Rafa won the league and Fergie ended up leaving? Because that's what happened with Jose and Pep.
And needed a year out to recover.
After three years at Bayern, he's ready to walk away.
Pep might be a huge success at City, we don't know. But one thing we do know is that he's going to face pressure in the prem that he's never faced at Barca and Bayern. City have a very decent team, but they rely on injury prone Aguero and Kompany. I'm interested to see how Pep will handle a run of poor results and worldwide scrutiny for the first time. Whatever anyone might think, he'll face shit times at City, and will need a strong mentality to get through it.
He took a year out because he wanted to live in New York and spend some time with his family.
Seem to recall lot of gobby Chelsea fans talking about years of domination after Mou's first title...
AKA meltdown.
Hmm... Okay meltdown.
Hmm failed VG and Moyes appointments, Woodward after signings that are not going to come, having faith in a manager past his prime, owners after profits and no long term planning
Even if he really is nothing special as a manager, his appointment adds prestige to City and will help attract players. The connection to Barcelona might come in handy as well. Now City have two managers better than ours.
To be fair, I thought the Chavs would really dominate when they brought in Scolari. That worked out well.
Mourinho's ruthlessness in acquit players? Did you see Chelsea's transfer business last summer?
He wanted Stones, the board didn't deliver. If never really seen him leave himself short in positions unlike LVG's crap of a plan for our attack.
At least there's a beach for Pep in Manchester, hopefully that'll attract Mou too. A beach of piss and needles down by the canal, that is.
Great manager, but I honestly don't think he'll dominate in the Premier League/Champions League like some think. By no means was it easy to to win the treble with Barca and take them to a level that very few managers have ever taken a team before, but they already had the foundation, and 5/6 players who were at the peak of their players.
Same can be said about Bayern, who had won the treble prior to Pep joining. Again, he's done very well at Bayern, but apart from Dortmund, who he stole two of their best players off and made them increasingly weaker, he didn't really have any one to rival them in the league. I guess his toughest test come for him in the CL, where he failed miserably against a very good Barca side.
Be a lot different at City, in my opinion. For starters, he won't be walking into a team who has the same level of players he had at Barcelona and Bayern. Yes, City arguably have the best squad in the Premier League, but they still have many holes in their current starting XI, in my opinion, and are quite a way off competing with the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, etc. This is not to say the can't reach their level, but I don't think it'll be something that can be rectified in one season.
They will also have a lot more teams to compete with. I can imagine, City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs will all want to be competing for the title next season, which is a lot different to what he's been used to, where, more often than not, it's been 2 or 3 teams.
All in all, I think Pep will do good. He'll bring his usual expansive, possession football to the league. Bit like Van Gaal, but with a lot more attacking impetus and risk in his play. I just want to know if, in a year or so, Enrique will be rated the same as Pep? Yes, Pep created that superb Barca team and blew teams away, but Enrique has more or less a completely different side and is doing just as well, winning the treble in his first year and still on for it this year.
Same can be said about Bayern, who had won the treble prior to Pep joining. Again, he's done very well at Bayern, but apart from Dortmund, who he stole two of their best players off and made them increasingly weaker, he didn't really have any one to rival them in the league. I guess his toughest test come for him in the CL, where he failed miserably against a very good Barca side.
Be a lot different at City, in my opinion. For starters, he won't be walking into a team who has the same level of players he had at Barcelona and Bayern. Yes, City arguably have the best squad in the Premier League, but they still have many holes in their current starting XI, in my opinion, and are quite a way off competing with the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, etc. This is not to say the can't reach their level, but I don't think it'll be something that can be rectified in one season.
They will also have a lot more teams to compete with. I can imagine, City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs will all want to be competing for the title next season, which is a lot different to what he's been used to, where, more often than not, it's been 2 or 3 teams.
All in all, I think Pep will do good. He'll bring his usual expansive, possession football to the league. Bit like Van Gaal, but with a lot more attacking impetus and risk in his play. I just want to know if, in a year or so, Enrique will be rated the same as Pep? Yes, Pep created that superb Barca team and blew teams away, but Enrique has more or less a completely different side and is doing just as well, winning the treble in his first year and still on for it this year.
Good comment.
Imagine it will go into overdrive if we lose to Stoke tomorrow....
Guardiola's overrated. Even Moyes could have managed Barcelona and Bayern to success.
I was the only one calling out Klopp on this forum a few years ago. I'd never received so many alerts in my life. But time has proved me right, just like it will with Pep.
He's shown nothing in his career to demonstrate he can build a team. He can fine-tune one that's already packed with galacticos, sure. But build one the way City will need to be built? I don't think so. That's the measure of a great manager. Doing it more than once is the measure of a truly great manager. Only Ancelotti and Mourinho are in that class right now.
I was the only one calling out Klopp on this forum a few years ago. I'd never received so many alerts in my life. But time has proved me right, just like it will with Pep.
He's shown nothing in his career to demonstrate he can build a team. He can fine-tune one that's already packed with galacticos, sure. But build one the way City will need to be built? I don't think so. That's the measure of a great manager. Doing it more than once is the measure of a truly great manager. Only Ancelotti and Mourinho are in that class right now.
It means City will be embarrassing United in a good few more games to come.
Shankly and Ferguson were at their clubs for decades, so I don't see how Pep is going to turn City into an all-conquering force & dynasty when he's unlikely to stay there beyond a mere 3 years.
I think you're right.
We've seen how Klopp has struggled. This is the prem, and a tougher place to exist than the rest of Europe, for better or for worse.
And he's got that 3 year thing hanging over him/them. It's just not conducive to building a team when everyone knows he's gonna bugger off in 3 years as we see with LvG.
I think he'll struggle. As soon as we can get a decent manager, it'll be an interesting couple of years to come.
Bring it on!
(I'm going back to the LvG Out! thread.)
You know what, I was listening to 606 a couple of weeks back and a city fan phoned in expressing his admiration for Pelegrini and I have to agree. With all this shit that's going on around him, the press having been calling this for months, he's remained a dignified character and got on with his job. Fair doos to the guy. He hasn't really done much wrong and he's been treated like this, fecking scum bags the lot of them.
Pelligrini is a good bloke. Always had a lot of respect for him.
Are you suggesting that Jose has suddenly become a shit manager?
If we're looking for perfection in a manager we're never going to find it and we might as well just go with Giggs for the romance of it all.
I'm exactly of this belief. He's not a bad manager, in fact, fine tuning galacticos and making them winners is an impressive thing to be able to do but he's not on Mourinho's level. I could be wrong but he has to prove himself.
I quite like Pellegrini myself. He's probably not top tier manager wise in the way that Guardiola is, so I can see why they're moving on, and he's not been perfect at City, but he's a very decent manager who can play some good football. Seems like a respectable guy as well. We could definitely do worse than him if we don't go for Mourinho.
That worked out beautifully for us. I still remember when we smashed them 3-0 when they visited OT under him.
Pressure greater than what he had at his boyhood club? Laughable
Am suggesting that Mourinho is not a way forward for the club. Hiring Mourinho means we played into to the media hands and we let the media choose manager for us. That will be our downfall.
If you don't panic you're a top red and we can't have that.
What are you hinting at la?
David Bowie (RIP) with gas-o-leeheen
So we didn't sign Pep because of Rooney?
Agree Rory United should be doing what it takes to Improve every year. If the job gets done right the rest takes care of itself.
Surely this coup of City getting Pep just highlights the fact that Utd clearly ARENT doing what it takes to improve every year, quite the opposite. Its also abundantly clear that the rest isn't "taking care of itself".
The underperformance of the Utd board since Fergie quit has been staggering. In all the musical chairs of top managers this season, I haven't once heard of any 'top team' poaching Moyes or LVG. Why? Because they're both laughing stocks, as is the board and more worrying, as the club is becoming.
While I do believe that the main focus of the fans and board should be around Utd getting their own house in order, we can help but comment on the stark difference in action between our once noisy neighbours and our mouse-quiet board. Resting on their laurels thinking a once-rich history is enough to see them through the difficult times without proactive changes, meanwhile their deluded manager spouts jibberish to the media week after week.... Oh how we laughed at Liverpool and Rogers.
To answer the thread title- it means nothing in the grand scheme of things and i will explain why:
We will become the Espanyol to their Barcelona not the Real Madrid.
It's not him going there that does this- it's just the slow rot of our club from top to bottom. A board who cares about lining the owners pockets more than success on the pitch.
What i have just said would have sounded like paranoid drivel to myself in the past but the going's on this season have proven that.
Unless there are drastic changes made over the next few years we will become what they were to us.
A non entity.
We will become the Espanyol to their Barcelona not the Real Madrid.
It's not him going there that does this- it's just the slow rot of our club from top to bottom. A board who cares about lining the owners pockets more than success on the pitch.
What i have just said would have sounded like paranoid drivel to myself in the past but the going's on this season have proven that.
Unless there are drastic changes made over the next few years we will become what they were to us.
A non entity.