Guillermo Varela
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
And a bunch of stitches in his right hand. or is that a tat?
Has anyone ever seen him play?
Not live, with his international team.
Well I just ordered the new home kit. Varela with the number 7.
How dare you?
Not really. Fabio is still on our books
With the posted profile on the previous page, I too read it and thought it was saying that he had only played one senior game for his club side. Luckily in finding out about his national team's stadium, it does indeed look like its talking about his country's home stadium not his club side. So perhaps its saying that he's played just one game at Uraguay's home stadium, probably not for the senior side(?) and instead for one of the youth teams
I always thought of Fabio as a left back.
Well, the only ones capable of having any time for Manchester United are Peñarol fans, just because Suárez was a Nacional player so they can empathise a wee bit.
For you to get an idea, Peñarol won the league on Tuesday and, when a Nacional fan asked me which team I supported on Wednesday I said Manchester United. I did so because I do feel that way, but also to avoid having to rub it in his face, etc. It actually worked out worse than saying Peñarol, Nacional fans just don't have any time for us at all.
Madness isn't it. Like, hating a team because a former player of yours racially abused a player of that teams thousands of miles away just shows that he's a bit of a cult figure over there.
How important is Suarez to the national team? Best player??
Also, on topic, how good is this Varela lad??
How important is Suarez to the national team? Best player??
Also, on topic, how good is this Varela lad??
Peñarol play all their home games and most of their "aways" at the Centenario stadium. They do mean club appearances, he was about to break through this season (2013) but got injured and a former Peñarol RB (Matías Aguirregaray) got loaned back by Cluj as he was having a bit of a mare there. Aguirregaray is the son of a club legend and currently a backup in the national side so the club were always going to put the effort into getting him back up and running first and foremost.
The reserves usually play before the first team here though (by this I mean same day, same pitch, right before the first team, not kidding) so I caught him a few times and he did look like a promising attacking fullback. I'd say he is similar to Rafael in that he clearly has a vocation/instinct for pushing forward. I don't think he is anywhere near as exciting as Rafael was at the same age, but is more defensively sound than he was so could yet turn out an appropriate balanced backup.
It's actually Evra they dislike and United by association. Gamesmanship is a big thing here, finding an edge over your opponent by any means is part and parcel and gets emphasised from a very young age (how else can we ever beat Brazilians otherwise?????
). The whole thing is predicated/viable based on a code: "What happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". Breaking that code is therefore the most frowned upon thing here, more than anything else... and that's what Evra did.That's where they are coming from and they will have none of this shit about someone being called negrito/black/whatever being a real issue. It IS actually cultural, but has feck all to do with language and everything to do with what people consider important and are sensitive to. That code is higher up in our consciousness/value scale than any concern over racial slurs. It sounds manic, but you have to understand in this country football is our religion, and that code is the very first commandment, everything else is an afterthought.
I'm not some superior all-seeing being, I lived in the UK for over a decade so I can see the two sides and the cultural roots of the misunderstanding. Saying one side is right and the other wrong, or more or less civilised, or more or less racist, would be similar to us saying Indians are mental treating cows as sacred, or them saying we are because we love feasting on them cows from the tongue to the bone marrow.
Important player, on his day can win it for us but on a bad day can be our downfall. Not someone we should rely on so much but currently we do as much as Liverpool do. Forlán was clearly way more important and his decline is showing it as clear as daylight.
See above. As mentioned yesterday, that clip jakec posted is probably as good an account as you could get. I certainly haven't seen much more than that, nor much different. Let's face it, I had noticed him but never paid the attention I would have if I knew he would end up with us and he certainly didn't jump out as the standout guy on the pitch. Young fullbacks very rarely do though, in fairness.
That is a very good point mate. Hopefully he'll turn out to be an even bigger bargain than Hernandez!
I like the fact Chicha was around.
Firstly, what the hell is Chicharito doing in Manchester???? Great to hear that when we are consistently told how players hate it there and can't wait to play in Spain. I know, Summer and all that, but nevertheless...
Second, him being excited about a fellow Latino joining the crew. Good for him, good for Varela, good for us that he is so keenly involved when we keep being told he may want to leave due to no first team football.
Maybe I read too much into it, but you can't help but notice that. I wouldn't expect that from the overwhelming majority of professional footballers. Love the Bean
Firstly, what the hell is Chicharito doing in Manchester???? Great to hear that when we are consistently told how players hate it there and can't wait to play in Spain. I know, Summer and all that, but nevertheless...
Second, him being excited about a fellow Latino joining the crew. Good for him, good for Varela, good for us that he is so keenly involved when we keep being told he may want to leave due to no first team football.
Maybe I read too much into it, but you can't help but notice that. I wouldn't expect that from the overwhelming majority of professional footballers. Love the Bean
That was during his trial, which i guess happened a couple of weeks ago. So, not surprised that Chicharito was aroundI like the fact Chicha was around.
Firstly, what the hell is Chicharito doing in Manchester???? Great to hear that when we are consistently told how players hate it there and can't wait to play in Spain. I know, Summer and all that, but nevertheless...
Second, him being excited about a fellow Latino joining the crew. Good for him, good for Varela, good for us that he is so keenly involved when we keep being told he may want to leave due to no first team football.
Maybe I read too much into it, but you can't help but notice that. I wouldn't expect that from the overwhelming majority of professional footballers. Love the Bean
This guy is playing in the U20 World Cup, so an early chance to take a look at him there.
Time for long throw ins Stoke style?
That was during his trial, which i guess happened a couple of weeks ago. So, not surprised that Chicharito was around
D'Oh! I knew it was ridiculous for Chicharito to just happen to be hanging around in Manchester
That's why I found it so impressive :facepalm:Finally, some good overload on the wings of our defense.
Good Luck to Guillermo. Him and Rafa will have some great rivalry.
Good Luck to Guillermo. Him and Rafa will have some great rivalry.
Sorry to sound like everyone's wife but I prefer him with longer hair.
It's actually Evra they dislike and United by association. Gamesmanship is a big thing here, finding an edge over your opponent by any means is part and parcel and gets emphasised from a very young age (how else can we ever beat Brazilians otherwise?????
That's where they are coming from and they will have none of this shit about someone being called negrito/black/whatever being a real issue. It IS actually cultural, but has feck all to do with language and everything to do with what people consider important and are sensitive to. That code is higher up in our consciousness/value scale than any concern over racial slurs. It sounds manic, but you have to understand in this country football is our religion, and that code is the very first commandment, everything else is an afterthought.
I'm not some superior all-seeing being, I lived in the UK for over a decade so I can see the two sides and the cultural roots of the misunderstanding. Saying one side is right and the other wrong, or more or less civilised, or more or less racist, would be similar to us saying Indians are mental treating cows as sacred, or them saying we are because we love feasting on them cows from the tongue to the bone marrow.
Important player, on his day can win it for us but on a bad day can be our downfall. Not someone we should rely on so much but currently we do as much as Liverpool do. Forlán was clearly way more important and his decline is showing it as clear as daylight.
See above. As mentioned yesterday, that clip jakec posted is probably as good an account as you could get. I certainly haven't seen much more than that, nor much different. Let's face it, I had noticed him but never paid the attention I would have if I knew he would end up with us and he certainly didn't jump out as the standout guy on the pitch. Young fullbacks very rarely do though, in fairness.
Really good post. Interesting to read about the local mentality.
Good singing. Rafael was our only real right back. Jones and Smalling play better centrally, and with Rio and Vidic not getting any younger, they are going to be needed in the middle a lot more this season.
Bollocks to that. Anyone ever actually watch the reserves?
It's actually Evra they dislike and United by association. Gamesmanship is a big thing here, finding an edge over your opponent by any means is part and parcel and gets emphasised from a very young age (how else can we ever beat Brazilians otherwise?????
But he didn't.
We are adding to one of our strongest position with Rafael, Smalling, Jones and Valencia already sharing a squad rotation role there. But we have just signed a highly rated youngster at a very low cost though so there is nothing to loss.
I do not intend to turn this into another megathread on the whole incident. Nit picking over what did or didn't happen is rather pointless. People's perceptions are based on what the media reported, whether accurately or inaccurately. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong here, the point was explaining how the result is disliking Evra, and United by association.
What you wrote suggests that you think Evra caused this by taking this outside the pitch. It's not up for debate, it's a fact that he didn't. Thinking that he did is simply ignorance which is the basis of most idiotic thinking from football fans (or people in general) no matter what the country.
TBH, I don't even remember nor do I care. I have a recollection of SAF saying Pat asked for permission to take matters further, but I would have no problem with that as he was entitled to.
Why is it people find it so hard to separate my own opinion and what I understand has shaped people's opinions in my country? It's not such a difficult concept.
Why is it people find it so hard to separate my own opinion and what I understand has shaped people's opinions in my country? It's not such a difficult concept.
I did separate your opinion from theirs. You explained the view of the people in your country. I know that you don't dislike Pat or Man Utd so you don't agree with them. I just think it's right to keep things clear about Manchester United players on a Manchester United forums. You can have any opinion you like, I don't mind that. I just want facts to be kept straight. If I'm stating something as fact and I'm wrong I'd like to be corrected as well.
Good luck to him! I'm interested to see him play, hopefully he gets a run out in the Carling Cup.
It's actually Evra they dislike and United by association. Gamesmanship is a big thing here, finding an edge over your opponent by any means is part and parcel and gets emphasised from a very young age (how else can we ever beat Brazilians otherwise?????
OK. Excuse me for continue this OT but questions have to be asked.
Lets say one player make a comment about a another players child, who happens to be handicapped, is that acceptable under the code "what says on the pitch stays on the pitch"?
Lets say the GKs mother died recently, should he have to accept that an opponent call his dead mother a cheap whore?
Where do you draw the line or is everything acceptable on the pitch in your part of the world?
South American full backs are full of surprises. The dead certs tend to flop while those who are 'underrated' and bought on cheap tend to do very well. I still remember when Inter bought some unknown Argentinian fullback on cheap. Anyway we had a taste of this through Rafael, who took the EPL by surprise.
I know, you want the facts right here, we do have to remember 99% of people out there aren't going to treat it with such forensic enthusiasm. Over here you don't get Sky and 500 cameras angles, there isn't much scope for lip-reading, etc. Point being that whether the media portrayed it as Evra accusing Suárez or not, people are used to that sort of thing only being known if the players have spoken out and they honestly (mistakenly or not) think that was the case.
Acceptable yes. Nice? No. Agreeable? No. Is the other chap a cnut? Of course. But the player is not expected to go to the FA and complain about it, he is expected to either ignore an obvious attempt at a windup and get on with it, or nut him/let his tackling speak for him if he can't brush it off.
I mentioned Romario's mentality a few days ago on the Neymar thread. I loathed playing him because his response to being kicked or wound up was scoring. He would simply hurt you more than you could ever hurt him. I don't think we ever beat Brazil with Romario on the pitch
Great post on the culture, Antohan. I think we really don't understand or take well to cultures like that as it's the opposite of ours.
That being said, I still think they're ridiculous opinions, but football fans are irrational twats sometimes.
That being said, I still think they're ridiculous opinions, but football fans are irrational twats sometimes.
Absolutely, you can ask for rational/logical explanations or for how football fans' think, they are seldom one and the same thing.
What do you think about this player antohan?
It's actually Evra they dislike and United by association. Gamesmanship is a big thing here, finding an edge over your opponent by any means is part and parcel and gets emphasised from a very young age (how else can we ever beat Brazilians otherwise?????
Does that include the rabies?
I know, you want the facts right here, we do have to remember 99% of people out there aren't going to treat it with such forensic enthusiasm. Over here you don't get Sky and 500 cameras angles, there isn't much scope for lip-reading, etc. Point being that whether the media portrayed it as Evra accusing Suárez or not, people are used to that sort of thing only being known if the players have spoken out and they honestly (mistakenly or not) think that was the case.
Acceptable yes. Nice? No. Agreeable? No. Is the other chap a cnut? Of course. But the player is not expected to go to the FA and complain about it, he is expected to either ignore an obvious attempt at a windup and get on with it, or nut him/let his tackling speak for him if he can't brush it off.
I mentioned Romario's mentality a few days ago on the Neymar thread. I loathed playing him because his response to being kicked or wound up was scoring. He would simply hurt you more than you could ever hurt him. I don't think we ever beat Brazil with Romario on the pitch
Thanks for taking your time to explain this cultural difference because I think many of us have problems to understand this point of view. I know ice hockey have part of this mentallity too, in many top teams you can find trash talkers or players who have as a speciality to creep under their opponents skin, often very successfully. In NHL (hockey) teams have big strong players who take care of problematic opponents. Search for Tie Domi playing for Toronto Maple Leafs, he knows how to handle players like Suarez ;-)
Isn't this what Materazzi did with Zidane when Italy won the WC, the only problem for France was that Zidane's head butt wasn't acceptable but the trash talk was. Well good to know we think differently.
On topic. What about this new guy. Good enough to make it in to the squad?