Gunmen attack Mumbai in at least seven places

All the quotes you could throw into this thread are irrelevant. Fortunately we had leaders who were brutal enough to keep our country alive under dangerous circumstances.

My coutnry's conflict with the Palestinians is a matter of another thread. You're wrong again regarding "my aims". You were discussing Muslim leaders taking the streets, making themselves heard against terrorism. I merely pointed out that a good start would be prominent "moderate" Sunni clerics stopping their endorsement of terrorism.

It's fascinating how people are allowed to voice their (different) opinion here until the point an Israeli joins the discussion. Then the usual suspects start talking about "his aims" and his "right to talk".
India is not a Muslim dominated country though we have much more Muslims than some Islamic countries. Also crimes against Christians were committed by Hindu fundamentalists, had nothing to do with Muslims.
 
How often has it been said that business can get back to 'normal' if various Palestinian groups would finally stop firing hundreds and thousands of rockets over into Israel? You know who really controls the Gaza strip, it's not the Israelis, it's the Hamas.

you do know there lands were taken ?
 
One thing is clear from these attacks, we don't have an effective counter terrorist agency in India.
 
apparently the police were warned about this a day before but nothing was done.
 
Let's call ethnic cleansing a war, it makes all atrocities seem justified.

Just some months ago you were on a collision with the whole forum because one of your terrorist leader was caught.

The collision was caused because some people seemed unable to comprehend that Muslims were not the only victims of that war.

Ethnic cleansing happened when the war already started, Sultan. There was no ethnic cleansing in the time of peace. Don't you understand the difference?
 
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Ouch, that hit a nerve

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He truely is a poor example of an Israeli... I hope he finds it in his heart to discover peace and harmony in the world.

*(I was going to say something rude and possibly hurtful, such as, 'What a fecking jackass HR can be! His soul is so torn and twisted, that he couldn't withhold the compulsion to express his country's most MORONIC idiology!')

As an American, I've been reading mostly through this thread... but I have the dignity and respect for all those involved, choosing not to comment quite so much because of the pain and suffering that the USA have contributed to that region of the world.

In case you are still tracking this thread, HR... Go grab a dictionary and look up the word 'Discretion'. ;)
 
One thing is clear from these attacks, we don't have an effective counter terrorist agency in India.

It must be recognised that it is very difficult to defend against this type of highly coordinated attack - this attack has been very different to anything that has come before in India.

I just heard on news that some of the attackers had checked into the hotels as guests and another few were already working there as employees - very difficult to deal with threats that have been planned to such a high degree.

However, I am amazed that almost 2 days on the whole situation is still ongoing.
 
Question: is the split between Muslims and Hindus in India mainly along racial lines? Or is it more mixed than that, like in Britain now where someone's race is a very poor indicator of their religious affiliation (if any)?
 
It must be recognised that it is very difficult to defend against this type of highly coordinated attack - this attack has been very different to anything that has come before in India.

I just heard on news that some of the attackers had checked into the hotels as guests and another few were already working there as employees - very difficult to deal with threats that have been planned to such a high degree.

However, I am amazed that almost 2 days on the whole situation is still ongoing.

That's horrible, didnt know that.

Whats the general police presence like in the city?
 
From Skynews

What if it is planned by indian themselves to blame Pakistan and show that Pakistan is a terrorist country.As the History showed us that Sumjota Express Attacks are made the Army General of Indian Army to Blame Pakistan.And as in 2002 the attacks on Indian Parliment in Dehli are also planned by indian officials to blame Pakistan and Kashmiries.So my dear wait until the picture become clear and dont say that Pakistan has planned this.

Posted By :kashif saleem

I don't think Pakistan would be involved in such an attack. The targets were not Indians, so it wouldn't be over something like Kashmir. However, I find it difficult to believe that Pakistan or Indian wouldn't have information on such a big attack and so the Indian authorities should have received at least a warning of some sort. If this attack completely slipped under the radar of both India and Pakistan, that could be a really big worry.
Posted By :Zac
 
From Skynews

What if it is planned by indian themselves to blame Pakistan and show that Pakistan is a terrorist country.As the History showed us that Sumjota Express Attacks are made the Army General of Indian Army to Blame Pakistan.And as in 2002 the attacks on Indian Parliment in Dehli are also planned by indian officials to blame Pakistan and Kashmiries.So my dear wait until the picture become clear and dont say that Pakistan has planned this.

:wenger:What a tit
 
What if it is planned by indian themselves to blame Pakistan and show that Pakistan is a terrorist country.As the History showed us that Sumjota Express Attacks are made the Army General of Indian Army to Blame Pakistan.And as in 2002 the attacks on Indian Parliment in Dehli are also planned by indian officials to blame Pakistan and Kashmiries.So my dear wait until the picture become clear and dont say that Pakistan has planned this.

Rooney_Gr8?
 
Don't be daft, Sultan. Qaradawi is one of the most influential Sunni clerics, and his interpretation of terrorism as some divine justice is far more dangerous than you and Nistlerooy not taking the streets in protest after 7/7.

There are nutjobs in any religious groups of human beings. It's the platform these people are given, and the number of followers they attract that make a difference. We're talking Muslim Brotherhood, Al Jazeera and IslamOnline here, which means 100's of million of people here hearing those words of wisdom whereas nutcase settler Rabbies are denounced and ridiculed by 95% of the Israeli popualtion and kept off any semi-respectable media channel.

Qaradawi's views probably account for less than 15% of Muslims, with the vast majority of them being in the Middle-East. You want to know REAL Muslim opinion on Terror? Read up on Gibril Haddad, Hisham Kabbani, Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Abdul Hakim Murad (Henry Winter's brother btw), and many others of their ilk. But you wont read them, cos no doubt, you've already read them, and they contradict your prejudiced views on Islam...
 
The point is, if Pakistani nationals are involved in these atrocities, it won't be the first time, or the last time citizens of another country will have caused trouble to another country. The logical, and rational thing to do would be to get the various agencies of both countries together, and work as team for the good of both countries to eliminate the curse which affects us all.
 
The point is, if Pakistani nationals are involved in these atrocities, it won't be the first time, or the last time citizens of another country will have caused trouble to another country. The logical, and rational thing to do would be to get the various agencies of both countries together, and work as team for the good of both countries to eliminate the curse which affects us all.

ISI helping our agencies. Not a chance. They are the ones who have close links with the terrorists.
 
Qaradawi's views probably account for less than 15% of Muslims, with the vast majority of them being in the Middle-East. You want to know REAL Muslim opinion on Terror? Read up on Gibril Haddad, Hisham Kabbani, Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Abdul Hakim Murad (Henry Winter's brother btw), and many others of their ilk. But you wont read them, cos no doubt, you've already read them, and they contradict your prejudiced views on Islam...

5% of the worlds Muslims won't have even heard his name Bro!

He's mostly known in the Emirates. All the Emiratis I know do not conform to his views.
 
Question: is the split between Muslims and Hindus in India mainly along racial lines? Or is it more mixed than that, like in Britain now where someone's race is a very poor indicator of their religious affiliation (if any)?

Anyone know the answer to this?
 
Not unless Bush is involved somehow. I'm still surprised rooney's prediction that Bush would stage a terror attack and implement martial law so he could indefinitely postpone the Presidential election and rule forever didn't come true.

Just wait...Obama will pull off a mask, a la mission impossible, and reveal himself to really be Bush soon enough...
 
Five bodies found at the Jewish Centre.

And another explosion coming from the Taj. Six more terrorists in the hotel.
 
Question: is the split between Muslims and Hindus in India mainly along racial lines? Or is it more mixed than that, like in Britain now where someone's race is a very poor indicator of their religious affiliation (if any)?

Im a bit confused by this question - perhaps you need to rephrase it?
 
ISI helping our agencies. Not a chance. They are the ones who have close links with the terrorists.

That's so stereo typical.

There is a lot to be gained by both countries. Both India, and Pakistan have a common goal to eliminate this curse.
 
5% of the worlds Muslims won't have even heard his name Bro!

He's mostly known in the Emirates. All the Emiratis I know do not conform to his views.

I dunno about that bruv, been all over the Mid-East just this past summer, and it was his face that was plastered all over the place...
 
Five people have been killed at Nariman House, India's Times Now channel reports. National Security Guards chief JK Dutt says militants killed three hostages and fled. Commandos killed two militants, he adds.

How could they've fled? I thought they had surrounded the building?
 
That's so stereo typical.

There is a lot to be gained by both countries. Both India, and Pakistan have a common goal to eliminate this curse.

I am hopeful in your suggestion... but Pakistan is struggling with enormous civil strife. I can't imagine that Pakistan could negotiate good relations on behalf of all it's people, at this point. Maybe some time in the future.

The very least, they could begin to lay the groundwork for better relations. Couldn't hurt. - It might even flush out the dissenting factions.
 
According to reports three gunmen have fled from Nariman house after killing hostages. :rolleyes:

I hope this is not true. It's going to be hard to explain this away.
 
Too many foreigners in this world. It's all their fault. Makes me sick this does!
 
According to reports three gunmen have fled from Nariman house after killing hostages. :rolleyes:

I hope this is not true. It's going to be hard to explain this away.

:confused: where did you hear that ? there's nothing on the news here
 
:confused: where did you hear that ? there's nothing on the news here

BBC

"1331 Five people have been killed at Nariman House, India's Times Now channel reports. National Security Guards chief JK Dutt says militants killed three hostages and fled. Commandos killed two militants, he adds."
 
MSNBC is now saying that two Americans, a father and 13 year old daughter from Virginia, USA have been found dead.


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I would like to nominate that reporter and cameraman from the India news channel for the dumbest news people on the planet award.

The guy reporting from outside the Taj Hotel as the gunfire continues on the 1rst or 2nd floor. He and the cameraman are diagonally across the street, and you can see the flash of the gunfire, inside the windows.
 
Im just wondering about the amount of ammunition the terrorists have in their possession.
 
Becoming radicalized and brainwashed isn't gonna be prevented by speeches from 'top levels of islamic sects', although the muslim communities apart from the extremist elements such as the Wahabi muslims assoicated with Al Qaeda always condemn any terrorist acts. In fact, Saudi Arabia is doing a good job infiltrating the al-qaeda subgroups and foiling many plots in their own country even though it's the hub of hte extremist ideolgies behind al-qaeda adn the like.

http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12470503

Likewise, the muslim communties here in Canada denounce any terrorist activities especially those carried out by the so-call islamists. In fact there was a Muslim informant here in Canada who foiled a serious terrorist attack on the parliament http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/toronto-bomb-plot/shaikh-interview.html

The sheer scale and sophistication of hte attacks suggests that al-qaeda was behind this in some way or form. Pakistan is where the anti-terrorism efforts should be directed at as it's the safe-haven for the al-qaeda leaders and much of the radicalization takes place. Bush and cheney should've gone after teh taliban and al-qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight terrorims, not invent bullshit to go after Iraq's oil. Hopefully Obama follows up his talk with action and actully does something about Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Attacking Pakistan would be a huge mistake IMHO. You do know that the vast majority of Muslims in Pakistan are of the Barelwi/Sufi and Deoband varieties, dont you? The whole basis of the Barelwi sect is peaceful love and rememberance of the Prophet (PBUH). I should know, I am one. While the Deoband specifically advocate an anti-terror stance, although a very tiny and very stupid minority from Britain, did perpetrate the 7/7 attacks

Course, there are some Wahabbis, but they are largely insignificant, and most of the ones I have met, dont concern themselves with the politics of Bin Laden & Co.
 
Breaking News (Just In): President Bush had to apologize to the many Jewish leaders for the Holiday Dinner invitation cards sent out... Had Christmas Trees on the front of the invite cards. Wwwwooops...

*Just thought I'd lighten up the mood for a sec.