Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances

Or scoring 3 in 1500 or so minutes from April till end of October? His scoring form is far too patchy at the moment(of course something that being young and inexperienced yet will suggest).

April til' October ... you mean including the long summer break :lol:

He scored 31 goals in all competitions last season ... and 9 so far this season. But if he doesn't score in a few games here and there then his form is described as "patchy" .... as if he hadn't outscored everyone else in the league during 2015 so far.
 
I know the whole Chelsea team is a disarray at the moment, but surely Diego Costa is 2nd best in the league.

Kane is head and shoulders better than Costa. Apart from the goals scored, Kane works his socks off for the team and is a dedicated professional, whilst Costa seems more interested in playing the role of pantomime villain and engaging in thuggery than anything else.
 
April til' October ... you mean including the long summer break :lol:

That's why I put the minutes in - 3 in 1500 odd minutes of football.

He scored 31 goals in all competitions last season ... and 9 so far this season. But if he doesn't score in a few games here and there then his form is described as "patchy" .... as if he hadn't outscored everyone else in the league during 2015 so far.

Yes his form is patchy as he can score in 4-5 successive games and then go on a drought for 7 games. How do you describe that?
 
That's why I put the minutes in - 3 in 1500 odd minutes of football.



Yes his form is patchy as he can score in 4-5 successive games and then go on a drought for 7 games. How do you describe that?

You're referring to just one occurrence of a 7 game dry patch aren't you? If so, then one 7 game spell amidst a bucket-load of goals this season and last does not fairly make "patchy" a useful or accurate description..
 
Well he scored 3 in 7 or 3 in 6 or something since that time as he was injured for most part of April/May.

He had couple of suspensions as well. All in all I think he was 20 goals in 25 games(may not be entirely correct) last season and now he's 3 in 11(again with couple of suspensions). Game/goal ratio IMO is better than Kane's
Kanes is still better, it's not just the goals anyway it's his overall play, his creativity is far superior to Costas.
 
You're referring to just one occurrence of a 7 game dry patch aren't you? If so, then one 7 game spell amidst a bucket-load of goals this season and last does not fairly make "patchy" a useful or accurate description..
Ok, let's look at the two seasons so far. This season he was firing blanks for 6 games in a row.

Last season he scored his first goal in November. Admittedly he didn't have a lot of game time, but then he couldn't break into the first team, as no injuries prevented him to be a starter.

Then he finished the season scoring twice in the last 8 games, including 4 games dry spell.

His most consistent run was in the winter when he scored in 9 of the 11 prem games.

Vardy for example is currently on a better run scoring 11 in 13 games. If Vardy was 22 years old I'm sure he'd be considered if not better at least equal to Kane as he has pretty much some of the same talent and qualities.

Kanes is still better, it's not just the goals anyway it's his overall play, his creativity is far superior to Costas.

We can agree to disagree I guess. For me Costa is the better player out of the two.
 
If Sturridge ever gets fit again I'll 'weigh' in that he's better.
 
Ok, let's look at the two seasons so far. This season he was firing blanks for 6 games in a row.

Last season he scored his first goal in November. Admittedly he didn't have a lot of game time, but then he couldn't break into the first team, as no injuries prevented him to be a starter.

Then he finished the season scoring twice in the last 8 games, including 4 games dry spell.

His most consistent run was in the winter when he scored in 9 of the 11 prem games.

Vardy for example is currently on a better run scoring 11 in 13 games. If Vardy was 22 years old I'm sure he'd be considered if not better at least equal to Kane as he has pretty much some of the same talent and qualities....

Didn't you say 7 blank games earlier, which has now become 6?

Anyhow, let's look at your reply. First you seem to think it's a criticism of Kane, or something negative at least, that a 21 year-old doesn't break into the first team for the first few months of last season. Then he had the temerity to go (once) a whole 4 games without scoring, late in the same season!

I think you have wholly unrealistic expectations of a striker (any striker) if you expect them to score week in and week out, with no barren spells. And you seem to think that citing barren spells is more important than the total number of goals scored ... which in Kane's case is something close to 40 in the last 12 months in all competitions, 30 of them in the league. That's outstanding.

With Vardy, you're again back on the "barren spell" track, citing his currently better scoring run. But how many goals has he scored in the last 12 months compared to Kane?

And all this ignores of course what Kane contributes when he isn't scoring.
 
If Sturridge ever gets fit again I'll 'weigh' in that he's better.
I agree actually. Problem is he's rarely fit.

Costa comes close when at his best, but I have to agree with Glaston that he's more interesting in engaging in physical battles with opposition centre backs, while he's certainly become hampered by injuries.
 
Well he scored 3 in 7 or 3 in 6 or something since that time as he was injured for most part of April/May.

He had couple of suspensions as well. All in all I think he was 20 goals in 25 games(may not be entirely correct) last season and now he's 3 in 11(again with couple of suspensions). Game/goal ratio IMO is better than Kane's
Have you seen him play recently?
 
Have you seen him play recently?
Yes, in line with the whole Chelsea team recently.

Didn't you say 7 blank games earlier, which has now become 6?
Because I looked it up, does it matter to you?

Anyhow, let's look at your reply. First you seem to think it's a criticism of Kane, or something negative at least, that a 21 year-old doesn't break into the first team for the first few months of last season. Then he had the temerity to go (once) a whole 4 games without scoring, late in the same season!
My point is that his scoring runs are followed by droughts, what is so difficult to understand and lacks consistency?

I think you have wholly unrealistic expectations of a striker (any striker) if you expect them to score week in and week out, with no barren spells. And you seem to think that citing barren spells is more important than the total number of goals scored ... which in Kane's case is something close to 40 in the last 12 months in all competitions, 30 of them in the league. That's outstanding.
Never said that. Though 3 goals distributed in 1500 mins which is 16-17 games is not exactly consistent, don't you agree?

Kane is obviously on an excellent form in his last 12 months, but apart from that period he has to prove himself to be on level with for example Costa. Yes, Costa lately is not in a good form,as the whole Chelsea team (probably apart from Willian) and that means strikers like Kane and Vardy are better than him?

With Vardy, you're again back on the "barren spell" track, citing his currently better scoring run. But how many goals has he scored in the last 12 months compared to Kane?

And all this ignores of course what Kane contributes when he isn't scoring.
Vardy is contributing to his team as well like Kane, I don't see your point here. My example with Vardy is that his "barren spell" so far is better than whatever period you pick for Kane.

Costa for example has received a couple of suspensions had some injuries(even long term one) and his contribution is the same as Kane over the course of the last 2 seasons, but also has the 2 seasons at Atletico to his name.

Of course he's the senior striker, but he is more proven than 12 months. That's all.
 
Saying that Kane is not as prolific as Vardy has been over the last 13 games is unfair, considering he's on a fecking record-breaking spell.

If you've seen both Costa and Kane play this season, goals or no goals, Kane has definitely been the better player.
 
Costa is going through a really bad patch in a really bad team, but Kane has never come close to his best level, which is understandable given how young he is. Costa at his best is among the best strikers in the game. The Chelsea mess is something that's hard to explain. So many brilliant players all sinking together.
 
Im not sure if he would fit in in our first XI. A bit stagnant compared to someone like martial but then again it maybe what we need. Every attacking arrow needs a spear of sorts.
It could work like a treat if we play two up top. Given they're both hard working and full of running either one can drop deep when we don't have the ball. But it would be something you'd have to build your team around if you think it could turn into something special. They've actually got everything to make a great combination. Kane with his drive, and poaching, and martial with pace and skill. Both can hold it up too. I think there'd serious potential there but of course it's a risk as well because you'd be altering the entire system to be suited to two strikers and that's not easy in today's game. Liverpool pulled it off in 13/14, but to spend big to make it happen, we'd have to really sure we can.
 
The one-season-wonder scored his 10th goal for this season so far last night.

At the current rate, he's well on course to match or even exceed his 31 goals (21 in the league) from last time around.
 
We're being linked with him again but that's probably always gonna happen until we sort out our goal scoring situation but out of interest, how's he doing this season? I've only really seen one or two highlights and checked his goal scoring stats and he seems to be doing alright but how's his overall play and contribution?

He doesn't seem to be suffering too bad from the ''second season syndrome'' he was guaranteed to get according to the media.
 
I dont think spurs will sell in all honesty, he would have to run his contract down which i dont think Kane would do being a spurs fan/youth product.

We are going to have to look outside of the premier league to retool our attack i reckon. Its one thing taking a Mahrez or Mane from a Leicester or Southampton. I just dont think its going to be viable anymore Raiding Everton/spurs/arsenal etc for their top talents.
 
I dont think spurs will sell in all honesty, he would have to run his contract down which i dont think Kane would do being a spurs fan/youth product.

We are going to have to look outside of the premier league to retool our attack i reckon. Its one thing taking a Mahrez or Mane from a Leicester or Southampton. I just dont think its going to be viable anymore Raiding Everton/spurs/arsenal etc for their top talents.

Berbatov was the end of the line as far as Spurs were (and are) concerned .. and that was more than 8 years ago now.

Instead of continually shelling out mega-bucks for players that other clubs have discovered and/or developed, United need to improve their own scouting and youth development departments and find their and develop their own players.
 
Instead of continually shelling out mega-bucks for players that other clubs have discovered and/or developed, United need to improve their own scouting and youth development departments and find their and develop their own players.
We are developing our own players and we have some talented players coming through our academy.
 
They can have Rooney in a straight swap if they want. Works on FM so it's guaranteed to work in real life...
 
Rather we got Lukaku
 
We're being linked with him again but that's probably always gonna happen until we sort out our goal scoring situation but out of interest, how's he doing this season? I've only really seen one or two highlights and checked his goal scoring stats and he seems to be doing alright but how's his overall play and contribution?

He doesn't seem to be suffering too bad from the ''second season syndrome'' he was guaranteed to get according to the media.
It's very good and one of the main reasons I want us to sign him. The way we play means that our striker is receiving the ball with his back towards the goal very often and this would suit someone like Kane a lot better than it does Martial who needs to be running at defenders at full speed to be at his best.
 
It was a fair comment from Glaston.
It wasn't a fair comment really. Spurs buy just as many players as the other big teams and we also have brought through more players from our academy in the last eighteen months than any other team in the premier league.
 
It was a fair comment from Glaston.
It wasn't. Glaston was implying that United have no young players coming through and we're totally relying on buying big name players. He's wrong, take a look at Jesse Lingard. Starting regularly and looks a really good player. We also have James Wilson who is still young and has the potential to become a starter for us in the future. He's out on loan and should gain a lot of experience playing for Brighton. It's not like Harry Kane burst onto the scene when he was 18/19.
 
Glaston is on the wind-up

Besides, Spurs are, and probably always will be a grooming club for the likes of United, Real, etc. No matter what way you spin it.

United were ready to beat Madrids offer for Bale, do you think Levy would have turned that down? No chance.
 
It wasn't. Glaston was implying that United have no young players coming through and we're totally relying on buying big name players. He's wrong, take a look at Jesse Lingard. Starting regularly and looks a really good player. We also have James Wilson who is still young and has the potential to become a starter for us in the future. He's out on loan and should gain a lot of experience playing for Brighton. It's not like Harry Kane burst onto the scene when he was 18/19.

Meh, we still leave a lot to be desired with our youth development. Lingard's been getting some chances and looks like a decent player, but he's still got a long way to go until we can regard him as a massive success. Wilson's another decent young player, and he scored an excellent goal at the weekend, but thus far there's still little evidence to suggest he's going to do much more than players like Macheda who have had potential but quickly faded away. It's a long time since we produced a genuinely top class player from our academy.

Spurs aren't massively different though; they've produced some very good young players over the years, but like you said they've also been perfectly willing to dive into the transfer market when they want to. Kane's one of their brighter prospects though, and the type of player we need to be looking to develop.
 
Berbatov was the end of the line as far as Spurs were (and are) concerned .. and that was more than 8 years ago now.

Instead of continually shelling out mega-bucks for players that other clubs have discovered and/or developed, United need to improve their own scouting and youth development departments and find their and develop their own players.
I agree for the most part, but the problem is, we have our own youth talents, both bought and nurtured. Incredibly good ones like Martial, Pererra, januzaj, shaw and memphis; and some decent potential squad players like Lingard, Mcnair, johnstone and varela.

But when your at the top of european football, or aspiring to be at the top of european football that isn't enough. We cant take 3-4 years of 4th place finishes while we wait and bed in youth products into a hopefully formidable first team, teams like Barca 2009 and united's 92 aren't common models, they are once in a blue moon. You need to supplement your home grown youth products with established top talents from clubs if you have any hope of winning the champions league and challenging on all fronts.
 
Sean Goss is in the squad for tonight btw

If theres one thing I cannot fault LVG for, its giving youth a chance because he clearly believes in it
 
I dont think spurs will sell in all honesty, he would have to run his contract down which i dont think Kane would do being a spurs fan/youth product.

We are going to have to look outside of the premier league to retool our attack i reckon. Its one thing taking a Mahrez or Mane from a Leicester or Southampton. I just dont think its going to be viable anymore Raiding Everton/spurs/arsenal etc for their top talents.
Spurs always sell at the end and players always go. It's just a question whether the premium price is worth it.

Spurs will hold for 40-50m valuation for him. Which IMO is not worth it. Especially with the EUR to pound nowadays...
 
It was a fair comment from Glaston.

Walker, Rose, Dier, Alli etc were all bought in from other clubs.

If we buy Kane we would be just copying their model i.e raiding smaller clubs for players. Everybody does it.

So what if it's a big fee? Do you think MK Dons were happy to sell Alli for so little?
 
Walker, Rose, Dier, Alli etc were all bought in from other clubs.

If we buy Kane we would be just copying their model i.e raiding smaller clubs for players. Everybody does it.

So what if it's a big fee? Do you think MK Dons were happy to sell Alli for so little?

The big fees are a consequence of signing players who are already in great demand and/or already more established. Hence, for example, £24m for Schneiderlin as compared to £4m for Dier, or £5m for Alli (and minimal wages) as compared to £14-15m for Schweinsteiger (and mega wages) ... yet it's already arguable that Dier and Alli are showing to be the more effective CM combo, and already you're faced with the need to replace Schweinsteiger for next season in terms of the starting XI.

But the point is that the option for United of pinching players from other Prem clubs is either drying up (due to club policy, as with Spurs) or else getting ultra-expensive because other clubs now already have money of their own due to TV rights.

And nor is this United mega-bucks approach working particularly well for you, not when you consider United's vast spend - in both net terms and non-net terms - on additions to your last title-winning squad in comparison to the league results obtained. How is it that Spurs, who have hardly spent anything in net terms, finished above you the season before last, finished just 6 points behind you last season and currently sit just 3 points behind you now?

Hence my view that United need to focus less on pursuing 'galacticos' (e.g. di Maria and Schweinsteiger) and ultra-expensive options (e.g. Martial), and focus more on improving your scouting network and youth player development.
 
The big fees are a consequence of signing players who are already in great demand and/or already more established. Hence, for example, £24m for Schneiderlin as compared to £4m for Dier, or £5m for Alli (and minimal wages) as compared to £14-15m for Schweinsteiger (and mega wages) ... yet it's already arguable that Dier and Alli are showing to be the more effective CM combo, and already you're faced with the need to replace Schweinsteiger for next season in terms of the starting XI.

But the point is that the option for United of pinching players from other Prem clubs is either drying up (due to club policy, as with Spurs) or else getting ultra-expensive because other clubs now already have money of their own due to TV rights.

And nor is this United mega-bucks approach working particularly well for you, not when you consider United's vast spend - in both net terms and non-net terms - on additions to your last title-winning squad in comparison to the league results obtained. How is it that Spurs, who have hardly spent anything in net terms, finished above you the season before last, finished just 6 points behind you last season and currently sit just 3 points behind you now?

Hence my view that United need to focus less on pursuing 'galacticos' (e.g. di Maria and Schweinsteiger) and ultra-expensive options (e.g. Martial), and focus more on improving your scouting network and youth player development.

Meh. If Spurs had more money they would spent it. Way of the world. You have wasted millions on flops like Paulinho, Roberto Soldado, Erik Lamela etc when you got the Bale funds.



Also finishing above us is meaningless unless we are 2nd.
 
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Meh. If Spurs had more money they would spent it. Way of the world. You have wasted millions on flops like Paulinho, Roberto Soldado, Erik Lamela etc when you got the Bale funds.

Also finishing above us is meaningless unless we are 2nd.

We are spending it, mainly on the new training complex, youth acquisition and development, plus the new stadium complex. Yes, we've wasted some money along the way, like all clubs, although I don't especially include Lamela in this as he's now usually part of the starting XI, but nothing on the scale of United's free-spending scatter-gun approach.

You won't be saying this if Spurs finish in the top 4 and United don't ... or not unless you'd prefer to play in the EL.

But have it your way: I don't mind if United want to waste their time offering mega-bucks in chasing Kane or Muller (or whoever) instead of adopting a more realistic and long-term approach, of which scouting and signing excellent prospects before they become in great demand could form a significant part.
 
Step up lads, Glaston is taking you all to the cleaners.
 
We are spending it, mainly on the new training complex, youth acquisition and development, plus the new stadium complex. Yes, we've wasted some money along the way, like all clubs, although I don't especially include Lamela in this as he's now usually part of the starting XI, but nothing on the scale of United's free-spending scatter-gun approach.

You won't be saying this if Spurs finish in the top 4 and United don't ... or not unless you'd prefer to play in the EL.

But have it your way: I don't mind if United want to waste their time offering mega-bucks in chasing Kane or Muller (or whoever) instead of adopting a more realistic and long-term approach, of which scouting and signing excellent prospects before they become in great demand could form a significant part.

To be fair, this is something we do.

Though we don't so much sign prospects as have an academy that produces players that fill out the first team squad. One of the few big positives this season is seeing the likes of Lingard, McNair, Pereira and Borthwick-Jackson in and around the first team. Obviously there are players we could take punts on from lower league clubs and hope they're upgrades on what we have, but it's all gambling, and it's good to have academy players make it rather than something imported.

From a signings perspective, it's also something we're doing with Martial, albeit on a much more extravagant scale, but the portents are good and the rewards could be excellent. We scouted him and had to move quickly before he was signed by one of Europe's super-clubs. It's the same idea, the financials involved are just vastly different because of the potential upside of the player in question.

And it's not like we only chase big names and stars. A lot of our dealings have been quite under-stated e.g. Blind, Rojo, Darmian, Varela.

The club has a lot of money though. Unlike Spurs, we also aren't hamstrung with the financial burden of needing to build a new stadium or build new facilities. We've been there done that. So the obvious use of cash reserves is to sign top level talent, whether that's a potential future world star like Martial, or rolling big on a ready-made star.

The key is making sure they complement the squad. That's been a mixed bag so far, though the transfer activity has still been largely positive in my view. Even if we changed manager tomorrow the vast majority of our recent signings would be safe. Some more established and long-standing names would be feeling the heat though.