Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances

Enigma_87 said:
Spurs always sell at the end and players always go. It's just a question whether the premium price is worth it.

Spurs will hold for 40-50m valuation for him. Which IMO is not worth it. Especially with the EUR to pound nowadays...
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I think he will leave within two years to one of the big boys - us, City or Real if I had to guess.

And it will be for a world record fee. They will laugh at £50m. He is the future of English football - and the entire league is flush with cash now.

GlastonSpur said:
The big fees are a consequence of signing players who are already in great demand and/or already more established. Hence, for example, £24m for Schneiderlin as compared to £4m for Dier, or £5m for Alli (and minimal wages) as compared to £14-15m for Schweinsteiger (and mega wages) ... yet it's already arguable that Dier and Alli are showing to be the more effective CM combo, and already you're faced with the need to replace Schweinsteiger for next season in terms of the starting XI.

But the point is that the option for United of pinching players from other Prem clubs is either drying up (due to club policy, as with Spurs) or else getting ultra-expensive because other clubs now already have money of their own due to TV rights.

And nor is this United mega-bucks approach working particularly well for you, not when you consider United's vast spend - in both net terms and non-net terms - on additions to your last title-winning squad in comparison to the league results obtained. How is it that Spurs, who have hardly spent anything in net terms, finished above you the season before last, finished just 6 points behind you last season and currently sit just 3 points behind you now?

Hence my view that United need to focus less on pursuing 'galacticos' (e.g. di Maria and Schweinsteiger) and ultra-expensive options (e.g. Martial), and focus more on improving your scouting network and youth player development.
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United have the widest scouting network in the world apparently. There is a big chunk of luck involved.

Spurs will always be forced to let go of any tier 1 talents they get, sooner or later.

Money. Simple as that.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We are spending it, mainly on the new training complex, youth acquisition and development, plus the new stadium complex. Yes, we've wasted some money along the way, like all clubs, although I don't especially include Lamela in this as he's now usually part of the starting XI, but nothing on the scale of United's free-spending scatter-gun approach.

You won't be saying this if Spurs finish in the top 4 and United don't ... or not unless you'd prefer to play in the EL.

But have it your way: I don't mind if United want to waste their time offering mega-bucks in chasing Kane or Muller (or whoever) instead of adopting a more realistic and long-term approach, of which scouting and signing excellent prospects before they become in great demand could form a significant part.
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Comparing chasing Kane from Spurs, and Muller from Bayern is hilarious.

Kane earns pennies at Spurs and any pay rise on offer would be half what he'd get from us. That is not the case for Muller - whof is paid handsomely at a fellow giant club.

Kane will have left Spurs by summer 2017.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I think he will leave within two years to one of the big boys - us, City or Real if I had to guess.

And it will be for a world record fee. They will laugh at £50m. He is the future of English football - and the entire league is flush with cash now.
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That's around Griezmann's release clause, just to put it in perspective.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Comparing chasing Kane from Spurs, and Muller from Bayern is hilarious .....
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You've just said that Kane will be sold "for a world record fee", but now say that comparing him to Muller is "hilarious" .... go figure.
 
KingMinger22 said:
.... United have the widest scouting network in the world apparently. There is a big chunk of luck involved.

Spurs will always be forced to let go of any tier 1 talents they get, sooner or later.
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I'd say that Ronaldo is a "tier 1 talent" ... guess which club he left and where he ended up. Ditto Beckham. Ditto de Gea in terms of what he really wants.

You seriously over-estimate the draw of Man. Utd these days and still seem to think it's the Berbatov era (more than 8 years ago now).

But in reality, no-one is that keen to play for LvG, you've just been dumped out of the CL at the group stages, you're in a dog-fight for top 4 for the 3rd season running (and in the 1st of those you didn't make it). Players sense decline and have done so for several years now - there are several more attractive options out there.
 
Last time Spurs had 100m pounds to spend they've spent it really wisely.
 
I doubt that he´ll go abroad. He is a fantastic player but non of the big boys are going to be in for him. In the end only english clubs will be able and willing to pay crazy money for him.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'd say that Ronaldo is a "tier 1 talent" ... guess which club he left and where he ended up. Ditto Beckham. Ditto de Gea in terms of what he really wants.

You seriously over-estimate the draw of Man. Utd these days and still seem to think it's the Berbatov era (more than 8 years ago now).

But in reality, no-one is that keen to play for LvG, you've just been dumped out of the CL at the group stages, you're in a dog-fight for top 4 for the 3rd season running (and in the 1st of those you didn't make it). Players sense decline and have done so for several years now - there are several more attractive options out there.
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Don't think anyone would dispute that, but we're talking Europe's absolute elite here. Maybe 2 or 3 clubs.

Depressingly for you, United are still a far bigger draw than Spurs (it's not even close) and seen as a destination club rather than a stepping stone.

The name carries a lot of weight, and the club can afford to pay top level salaries with ease. Spurs have neither.

So you can try to paint the murkiest picture you like, but ultimately, you're only shitting on yourself.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'd say that Ronaldo is a "tier 1 talent" ... guess which club he left and where he ended up. Ditto Beckham. Ditto de Gea in terms of what he really wants.

You seriously over-estimate the draw of Man. Utd these days and still seem to think it's the Berbatov era (more than 8 years ago now).

But in reality, no-one is that keen to play for LvG, you've just been dumped out of the CL at the group stages, you're in a dog-fight for top 4 for the 3rd season running (and in the 1st of those you didn't make it). Players sense decline and have done so for several years now - there are several more attractive options out there.
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I doubt players give a shit if we offer them £250k a week. How do you think City attracted the likes of aguero when they were fecking shite?

I'd argue we're much more likely to buy a big name now than 8 years ago after our CL win when fergie went on a largely failed spending spree buying the supposed top young talents of the time (Nani, Anderson).
 
PedroMendez said:
I doubt that he´ll go abroad. He is a fantastic player but non of the big boys are going to be in for him. In the end only english clubs will be able and willing to pay crazy money for him.
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When was the last time an English striker went abroad and was a genuine success? Lineker?
 
shaggy said:
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I doubt players give a shit if we offer them £250k a week. How do you think City attracted the likes of aguero when they were fecking shite?
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You won't offer a 22 year-old Kane £250k per week, since this would play have havoc with your wage structure, prompting huge demands across the entire squad. But even if you did, Kane will still be at Spurs next season.
 
shaggy said:
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I doubt players give a shit if we offer them £250k a week. How do you think City attracted the likes of aguero when they were fecking shite?

I'd argue we're much more likely to buy a big name now than 8 years ago after our CL win when fergie went on a largely failed spending spree buying the supposed top young talents of the time (Nani, Anderson).
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We signed Anderson & Nani in the summer of 2007, we won the CL in 08.

Agreed, though.
 
K2K said:
who would people prefer between him and Lukaku? I'm not so sure anymore
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I would say Kane is vastly superior with the ball - he can bring teammates into play with his [decent] passing & can link-up well. He's also really good at making space for himself to shoot - he can score out of nothing. He's big & strong, but Lukaku is probably the best in the league when it comes to that.

Kane doesn't have any glaring deficiencies in his game, he's a very well-rounded player. Lukaku is a monster but is a bit donkey-ish when made to receive the ball at his feet, and is much more reliant on service (the type of balls being played to him). I'd say the latter is in better form right now, but Kane is better and is further from reaching his ceiling. I feel like Everton is Lukaku's level.
 
Cantona'sCollar said:
I would say Kane is vastly superior with the ball - he can bring teammates into play with his [decent] passing & can link-up well. He's also really good at making space for himself to shoot - he can score out of nothing. He's big & strong, but Lukaku is probably the best in the league when it comes to that.

Kane doesn't have any glaring deficiencies in his game, he's a very well-rounded player. Lukaku is a monster but is a bit donkey-ish when made to receive the ball at his feet, and is much more reliant on service (the type of balls being played to him). I'd say the latter is in better form right now, but Kane is better and is further from reaching his ceiling. I feel like Everton is Lukaku's level.
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I used to think the same of Lukaku, but I really think you are selling him quite short.
He's improved many facets of his game.

Having seen him play recently, he's ball control appears quite good, he's got a good shot on him, and he seems very good in creating chances out of nothing.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Don't think anyone would dispute that, but we're talking Europe's absolute elite here. Maybe 2 or 3 clubs.

Depressingly for you, United are still a far bigger draw than Spurs (it's not even close) and seen as a destination club rather than a stepping stone.

The name carries a lot of weight, and the club can afford to pay top level salaries with ease. Spurs have neither.

So you can try to paint the murkiest picture you like, but ultimately, you're only shitting on yourself.
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This.

shaggy said:
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I doubt players give a shit if we offer them £250k a week. How do you think City attracted the likes of aguero when they were fecking shite?

I'd argue we're much more likely to buy a big name now than 8 years ago after our CL win when fergie went on a largely failed spending spree buying the supposed top young talents of the time (Nani, Anderson).
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I agree. United are now more attractive than they have ever been as we were previously conservative, slightly "penny pinches" about the extra 10% or so. Now we are clearing willing to match anyone in terms of fees and wages. I love Woody.

GlastonSpur said:
You won't offer a 22 year-old Kane £250k per week, since this would play have havoc with your wage structure, prompting huge demands across the entire squad. But even if you did, Kane will still be at Spurs next season.
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We would pay the right 22 year old £250k. We signed an 18 year left back on 110k pw. We had four players on £250k+ last season. Plenty of room there.

From what your saying, we don't need to pay him that yet anyways. Though he could expect more than that next contract if he delivered.

You said Spurs would pay him £80k pw. We would offer at least £150k I am certain. And that's only the half of it. When you go from a club like Spurs to a club like United your sponsorship deals go through the roof. His bank account would explode vs staying at Spurs. I'm not even gonna bother tall about prestige, history or chance of trophies as that is all irrelevant compared to the bumper payday.

The idea that Spurs are unique amongst clubs in the ability to retain players more than one season when they want to go is quite amusing. Especially with your history.

As I said, the fee is going to be astronomical but I can see him going to United, City, possibly Real or Chelski by 2017.

Or maybe Spurs will absolutely smash their wage structure and pay him £150k plus?
 
K2K said:
I used to think the same of Lukaku, but I really think you are selling him quite short.
He's improved many facets of his game.

Having seen him play recently, he's ball control appears quite good, he's got a good shot on him, and he seems very good in creating chances out of nothing.
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True, he's improved massively this season. I'm probably underrating him a little, probably because I think he needs to keep up this type of form to justify the hype around him. That having been said, one could say the same about Kane.

Lukaku has definitely changed his game this season, though - he's not just about pure physicality, now. He's no longer useless when outside the box & his movement has been excellent. I rate both of them highly, but if I had to choose one to play for us, it would probably be Kane. I understand why some would choose Lukaku, though.
 
Cantona'sCollar said:
I would say Kane is vastly superior with the ball - he can bring teammates into play with his [decent] passing & can link-up well. He's also really good at making space for himself to shoot - he can score out of nothing. He's big & strong, but Lukaku is probably the best in the league when it comes to that.

Kane doesn't have any glaring deficiencies in his game, he's a very well-rounded player. Lukaku is a monster but is a bit donkey-ish when made to receive the ball at his feet, and is much more reliant on service (the type of balls being played to him). I'd say the latter is in better form right now, but Kane is better and is further from reaching his ceiling. I feel like Everton is Lukaku's level.
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Kane contributes more to the buildup but Lukaku is more capable of being completely unplayable.
 
KingMinger22 said:
... We would pay the right 22 year old £250k. We signed an 18 year left back on 110k pw. We had four players on £250k+ last season. Plenty of room there.

From what your saying, we don't need to pay him that yet anyways. Though he could expect more than that next contract if he delivered.

You said Spurs would pay him £80k pw. We would offer at least £150k I am certain. And that's only the half of it. When you go from a club like Spurs to a club like United your sponsorship deals go through the roof. His bank account would explode vs staying at Spurs. I'm not even gonna bother tall about prestige, history or chance of trophies as that is all irrelevant compared to the bumper payday.

The idea that Spurs are unique amongst clubs in the ability to retain players more than one season when they want to go is quite amusing. Especially with your history.

As I said, the fee is going to be astronomical but I can see him going to United, City, possibly Real or Chelski by 2017.

Or maybe Spurs will absolutely smash their wage structure and pay him £150k plus?
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This is your usual obsession with United as money-bags club, deluded into thinking it will steam-roller you towards anything you want. But the fact is that Kane is on a very long contract. He'll undoubtedly be offered an improved deal before long, he's happy at Spurs and Levy simply won't sell to a Prem rival.

So you can huff and puff all you want ....
 
KingMinger22 said:
... We would pay the right 22 year old £250k. We signed an 18 year left back on 110k pw. We had four players on £250k+ last season. Plenty of room there.

From what your saying, we don't need to pay him that yet anyways. Though he could expect more than that next contract if he delivered.

You said Spurs would pay him £80k pw. We would offer at least £150k I am certain. And that's only the half of it. When you go from a club like Spurs to a club like United your sponsorship deals go through the roof. His bank account would explode vs staying at Spurs. I'm not even gonna bother tall about prestige, history or chance of trophies as that is all irrelevant compared to the bumper payday.

The idea that Spurs are unique amongst clubs in the ability to retain players more than one season when they want to go is quite amusing. Especially with your history.

As I said, the fee is going to be astronomical but I can see him going to United, City, possibly Real or Chelski by 2017.

Or maybe Spurs will absolutely smash their wage structure and pay him £150k plus?
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This is your usual obsession with United as money-bags club, deluded into thinking it will steam-roller you towards anything you want. But the fact is that Kane is on a very long contract. He'll undoubtedly be offered an improved deal before long, he's happy at Spurs and Levy simply won't sell to a Prem rival.

Real in 2017 or somewhere else abroad? Perhaps, but then 2017 is a long way off.

United can huff and puff all they want ...
 
GlastonSpur said:
This is your usual obsession with United as money-bags club, deluded into thinking it will steam-roller you towards anything you want. But the fact is that Kane is on a very long contract. He'll undoubtedly be offered an improved deal before long, he's happy at Spurs and Levy simply won't sell to a Prem rival.

Real in 2017 or somewhere else abroad? Perhaps, but then 2017 is a long way off.

United can huff and puff all they want ...
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We've paid big sums of money for the likes of Mata and Di Maria in recent years, there's also the £300k a week we were shelling out for Falcao and currently paying Rooney. Oh and spending £30 million on an unknown youngster. So yeah I do think we have the money to attract big players and you're still in pre 2014 mode when it looked like we were skint. If United slap £60 million and £200k a week down at the end of the season it's madness to think Spurs and Kane would just completely ignore it.
 
The problem Kane will have is that he'll want to be paid for the talent it looks like he'll develop into, but only 3-5 clubs in the world would be able to afford the transfer fee. Levy will also not want to sell to 3 of them.

I can see this running for a while and unless Kane is a uniquely loyal player then he might end up running his contract down.
 
Cantona'sCollar said:
True, he's improved massively this season. I'm probably underrating him a little, probably because I think he needs to keep up this type of form to justify the hype around him. That having been said, one could say the same about Kane.

Lukaku has definitely changed his game this season, though - he's not just about pure physicality, now. He's no longer useless when outside the box & his movement has been excellent. I rate both of them highly, but if I had to choose one to play for us, it would probably be Kane. I understand why some would choose Lukaku, though.
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Im still very much undecided....but I think both would improve us.

Lukaku has impressed me quite a lot this season, especiallu as I might or might not have called him a donkey in the past. Kane , after some early struggles has pushed on. Lukaku has the Raiola problem, while Levy would be another problem. But both are great young strikers. For me that's the profile of striker we need as a Rooney replacement.
 
K2K said:
who would people prefer between him and Lukaku? I'm not so sure anymore
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Lukaku. Completely disagree with people saying Kane is the better player or more involved in the build-up.
 
GlastonSpur said:
My preference is for him to stay at Spurs for many years. But failing that he'll go abroad.
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Where would he play abroad? I don't see it happening, it would be more likely that he sign for City or United if he keeps developing.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Where would he play abroad? I don't see it happening, it would be more likely that he sign for City or United if he keeps developing.
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I don't know where he might play abroad, assuming that ever wants to leave. But I do know that Spurs won't sell him to a Prem rival , so if he wanted out he'd either have to run down his contract or go else be willing to go abroad.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I don't know where he might play abroad, assuming that ever wants to leave. But I do know that Spurs won't sell him to a Prem rival , so if he wanted out he'd either have to run down his contract or go else be willing to go abroad.
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You know this how, exactly?
 
Speak said:
You know this how, exactly?
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I prefer not to get into that this time around, since sceptics want to be sceptical regardless. But you might wish to ponder the fact that the last Spurs star sold to a Prem rival was more than 8 years ago ... and this despite the fact that - for example - we received a higher offer for Modric from Chelski as compared to RM.
 
I dont even get this obsession with Kane. Why the feck do some of you want him so badly?
 
GlastonSpur said:
I prefer not to get into that this time around, since sceptics want to be sceptical regardless. But you might wish to ponder the fact that the last Spurs star sold to a Prem rival was more than 8 years ago ... and this despite the fact that - for example - we received a higher offer for Modric from Chelski as compared to RM.
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And what happens if Madrid don't want Kane?
Is there any precedent for that situation?

You can count the number of glamorous foreign clubs on one hand. So essentially you're hoping (a) Kane is very loyal, or (b) one of those glamorous clubs happens to be in for an expensive striker.
 
Speak said:
And what happens if Madrid don't want Kane?
Is there any precedent for that situation?

You can count the number of glamorous foreign clubs on one hand. So essentially you're hoping (a) Kane is very loyal, or (b) one of those glamorous clubs happens to be in for an expensive striker.
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There is no precedent. But Kane still has 4.5 years to run on his contract and is very keen on Spurs, so we won't have to speculate about what might happen for some good while yet. And in the meantime, CL football with Spurs remains a distinct possibility, perhaps even for next season.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I prefer not to get into that this time around, since sceptics want to be sceptical regardless. But you might wish to ponder the fact that the last Spurs star sold to a Prem rival was more than 8 years ago ... and this despite the fact that - for example - we received a higher offer for Modric from Chelski as compared to RM.
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Apart from Bale and Modric what other players would any top English club have wanted to buy in those 8 years out of interest?
 
shaggy said:
Apart from Bale and Modric what other players would any top English club have wanted to buy in those 8 years out of interest?
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This is a bit like saying what have the Romans ever done for us ....

But apart from Bale and Modric, I'd say Kane last summer. Ditto Lloris (when de Gea's departure seemed set in stone).
 
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