Very frustrating. Am trying to be balanced, given the season he had, but hell he had a shocker of a tournament.
That, so few England players come out of the Euros with their reputation intact, let alone enhanced.
Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances
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That, so few England players come out of the Euros with their reputation intact, let alone enhanced.
Was terrible. Was terrible in the u21's also.
Of course there is more pressure on the players in a EC KO match, what a bizarre statement. One is a quite unique scenario that happens only every 4 years (given that your NT reaches the KO stages) with the whole world watching while the North London derby is played at least twice a season.
And it's quite amusing how you conveniently use Rooney as the reason why Kane and Alli sucked at this tournament. Rooney playing in midfield shouldn't be an excuse for Kane miscontrolling every second pass or whacking freekicks into no man's land.
Absolutely dreadful all tournament. His constant shooting and piss poor set pieces made me all the more angry. What an absolute let down this tournament.
The simple stupid analogy I used in my previous post, can be used to explain the miscontrol touch too. At Totenham Kane knows his teammate movement, support run, so by habit, Kane would know what touch, control he needs to use to keep the play going. Here England does not even know their best team/play, so when receiving the ball, instead of making use of memory muscle, habit straight forward thought, Kane has to think too much with this ever tactic changing England. As the more games go, the more pressure, self doubt is increasing, leads to bad touches, out of form.
LVG is bold saying football is played by the brain. Every top manager knows, just that they're not too full of themselves to speak it in public as LVG. SAF, Mourinho team... even at times play bad football told their players to enjoy themselves. They know this fact and are highly regarded due to their motivation skill to help players overcome self doubt an d think straight/ focus on the game.
IMO (I stated in one of my early post), Kane is a slow starter. His slow start of the last season may be an evident. He needs to adjust to his surrounding/ teammates and define his touch, habit then reap the reward as the season went on. Here in England team, there is no stability. Tactic kept being changed, players shuffled, adding new responsibility (set piece taking)... not only delays adaptation but also create self doubt. Kane has an alarming few touches in England shirt compare to his Totenham, let alone chances. So here he may be hungry for ball and overdoes himself, plus the unfamiliar team, tactic, makes him self doubt.
Conclusion: Kane does have flaw, but this can be fixed in club football easier than tournament. England with shit coach may miss out on pulling out the talent Kane has. The way England is managed, it's better to use a different player than Kane. Kane is clearly talented though. Not some overrated dross if being carefully managed. Also Kane has been constantly play the last 2 seasons (even in summer tounament). Perhaps, mental 7 physical fatigue takes a toll on him now?
Just my 2 cents
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What chances were those then? The whole team didn't create any clear cut chances in the whole 90 minutes. You're talking nonsense.
Exactly. So why does that make him "shocking" rather than his team mates that didn't provide any service?
Yes, along with his 25 goals as well. Thanks for your generosity.£100m striker
I wouldn't want us paying 10m, Spurs can have him.
You mean like the rest of the team?
Both Alli and him were absolutely dire throughout this tournament. And whoever came up with this stupid idea of Kane taking all set-play deliveries needs to publicly shamed.
I think this is a good point. They play a very distinct type of football at Tottenham, some derivative of Bielsa´s style. I think its very disciplined/strict how the offensive players move in that Spurs-team, and surely its very different from how the England team plays.
I get the feeling that if he leaves spurs then he will flop.... he takes so many shots per game from so far out even at spurs, but they create more chances normally so he bangs in a few. Hes a good finisher inside the box but his selfishness really does bring him down.
Would rather have martial develop into a top striker then get him. Terrible in these euros, and you cant blame anyone but him.
Would rather have martial develop into a top striker then get him. Terrible in these euros, and you cant blame anyone but him.
What makes him shocking in this tournament was the shit work rate, not opening himself up or busting a gut to get in a good position, not running the channels like all lone strikers have to, and then when he did get the ball, thinking he was Ronaldo and shooting from wherever he was on the pitch even though he has no hope of scoring. Feck knows why he seemed to think he could do it on his own, but he was absolutely awful and without a doubt the worst of the lot throughout the tournament IMO. Also what the feck was up with him taking the set pieces? Can't cross worth shit yet keeps on taking them and doesn't let anyone else take free kicks or corners. You will struggle to see a worse performance over the 3 or 4 games he played at this tournament then his and how useless he was.
Not disagreeing with what you said or trying to justify Rooney's inclusion, but he was quite terrible not just in open play but with set plays too. Having Rooney alongside doesn't hamper his ability to put a good ball into the box, does it? And how many times did he do that ?Every single fk and shot he took lacked conviction and quality. Just saying.
Funny how Rooney is blamed for everything. Alli and Kane played in their natural positions before and both were horrible, Kane still played as main striker and still was very poor. Not sure why the blame is on Rooney for their poor showing.
Even against Wales, Alli played centrally and in advanced position still he was poor. This just like looking for more excuses to defend players.
Even against Wales, Alli played centrally and in advanced position still he was poor. This just like looking for more excuses to defend players.
Never fill the team with Spurs players, they feck it up like they always do. Kyle Walker, Danny Rose, Delle Alli, Dyer and Harry Kane all had absolute howlers. The rest of them weren't any good either.
Alli and Kane were very poor, arguably one of the worst striker and midfielder in the tournament.
Don't know why Barkley didn't get even a single min. He isn't that good but after group stages it was clear both are not in form so should have tried someone who is very direct and but afraid to dribble.
And what did England win when it was filled with United and Liverpool players ? Blaming Spurs mentality for England's failures is clutching at straws.
I think rather than suggesting its simply because they are Spurs players, it would be more logical and realistic to suggest that Spur's drastic drop in performance towards the end of the season was not only a direct result of mental strain / fatigue but also due to being physically drained. I don't think they were the reason England were so poor, but I do think there was an element of fatigue in there for sure..... I'm not sure why you would bring Barkely et al if they were never going to get a game. Rashford looked the most positive player in 4 minutes which speaks volumes.
Looked shit in every game he played. Absolute dogshit. His set pieces were so bad, did he find once a target
Why is he still taking freekicks etc?
Wtf happened to him? He was the worst England player in this Euros imo. Awful.
If it was one game, or a 30 minute spell at the end of a game, you could say its an issue with nerves or tiredness. But it was every game. We didn't create chances, which didn't help him, but he had no movement, and could barely control the ball when he did get it.
Less said about the set plays the better, what the hell was that attempt to do a Ronaldo all about, 2-1 down against iceland and hes pissing around like that at 70 minutes? Should have been hooked for that alone. That was just pure twattery, and no out of form or fatigue excuse can cover for it, that was all him.
the owl faced cockwomble is just as much to blame, it was obvious after a game and a half he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, so he took him off, but then goes back to starting him for crying out loud. Should have been nowhere near the pitch after that wales game full stop.
Less said about the set plays the better, what the hell was that attempt to do a Ronaldo all about, 2-1 down against iceland and hes pissing around like that at 70 minutes? Should have been hooked for that alone. That was just pure twattery, and no out of form or fatigue excuse can cover for it, that was all him.
the owl faced cockwomble is just as much to blame, it was obvious after a game and a half he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, so he took him off, but then goes back to starting him for crying out loud. Should have been nowhere near the pitch after that wales game full stop.
He just looked so awestruck. It was almost like the game kicked off 10 seconds before his body could recognize it. Really weird Euro's for him. No doubt he'll get absolutely abused in the media and by fans for it. I think he's the solution long term though, is he up to it? Time will tell.
I think the thing with Kane is that unless you make your system suit him, Then he is very unadaptable and pretty feckless. It was obvious after the first game against Russia that England weren't set out to play to his strengths, Therefore he shouldn't of started anymore games.
Feel sorry for him. He hadn't had a single good game at the Euros, yet Roy continually fed him to the Lions. Clearly wasn't ready for the occasion. Maybe it was tiredness or maybe it the occasion got to him, but Vardy must of been fuming to be left on the bench again only to watch that dross.
very poor. Like everyone else I don't understand why he's taking corners & freekicks etc. He's a much better header of the ball than he is a dead ball taker so why isn't he in the box waiting for the delivery? very strange
Is it me or does it seem like Kane and Alli(in particular) look so weak mentally? When the going got tough at the Euro's they just got progressively worse. Just like near the end of the season for Spurs. I'd be very worried if I was a spurs fan and as an England fan I don't think Alli should be the main attacking midfielder as much as I dont think Rooney should be a CM.
Back to Kane i think the thing that shone most from Kane is his selfishness, It looked to me he thought he had developed the abilities of Cr7 like that advert. 1/10 tournament from him. worst player with Sterling for me. Movement just complete shithouse.
Back to Kane i think the thing that shone most from Kane is his selfishness, It looked to me he thought he had developed the abilities of Cr7 like that advert. 1/10 tournament from him. worst player with Sterling for me. Movement just complete shithouse.
I think it's fair to say he is the worst England first choice striker in years/decades? But he is still young though, still have plenty of time to turn it around.
I don't quite understand people's affinity to "shift blame or try and defend" a player from the clubs they support, like the Spurs fans seem to be trying to do in this thread.
Is it really that difficult to just say someone had a stinker/shit tournament? Yeah, there'll be some bashings going OTT, but it comes with the territory. But it should be easy to call shit, well....shit, no matter who they play for.
Just look at the Rooney thread on this United forum. You'll find 80-90% calling him shit and a minority trying to defend his performances.
Is it really that difficult to just say someone had a stinker/shit tournament? Yeah, there'll be some bashings going OTT, but it comes with the territory. But it should be easy to call shit, well....shit, no matter who they play for.
Just look at the Rooney thread on this United forum. You'll find 80-90% calling him shit and a minority trying to defend his performances.
Still can't decide who was worse last night, Kane or Rooney. Although as shite as Rooney was, blaming him for Kane hitting freekicks out of the stadium is ridiculous. The system may not have suited Kane, but he couldn't get the basics right.
Spurs had an abysmal run-in in the league, and their English players seem to have carried that form over into the Euros. You have to wonder if they were just run into the ground over the course of the season.
Spurs had an abysmal run-in in the league, and their English players seem to have carried that form over into the Euros. You have to wonder if they were just run into the ground over the course of the season.
I thought Walker was decent and Rose looked OK at times. Dier had a mixed tournament. Kane and Alli just didn't turn up at all.
In most countries when a player turns to shit he is dropped. However, for the English it seems to work differently. It feels like the tribalism is such that Arsenal supporters will claim wilshere is the best midfielder even if he is playing on clutches, Liverpool supporters will never accept that Lallana contributes very little and Spurs supporters will claim Kane is the best even at goalkeeping.
All this is fine, until the manager starts to pick the players based on who the media decides is hot at the time.
Personally, and I am not the first to notice this, I think Kane is the most overrated player in the world at the moment. It used to be Cavani, but after this season it is Kane. 100m player? Wow! It must be easy to be an English player.
All this is fine, until the manager starts to pick the players based on who the media decides is hot at the time.
Personally, and I am not the first to notice this, I think Kane is the most overrated player in the world at the moment. It used to be Cavani, but after this season it is Kane. 100m player? Wow! It must be easy to be an English player.
Well then that's not Kane's fault, it's the manager's fault isn't it?
Yes and no. Kane isn't one of the world's best players to have systems introduced to specifically to suit his "needs", at the same time it's Roy's fault for choosing to play Kane given the circumstances. Speaks volumes about how good he really is given that he needs a specific system to flourish.
Edit: Flourish? I meant not be complete shite, has been dire.
That is an absolutely outrageous statement.
Surly, all things considered, you cannot possibly be comparing a European Championship second round game in which the entire world is watching, to a nothing derby which no one outside of North London gives two shits about. Come on, not even you are your ludicrous level of delusion could make that comparison with a straight face. In fact, I'm calling you on your WUM.
It is, But for a player as highly rated as Kane is he should be able to adapt to different circumstances. But it seems he is unable to adapt and only looks good in a system built formation based towards him.
No it's not, but it is what it is. You'd like to think a player of Kane' records in the PL could do a lot more than absolutely feck all if a team doesn't play to his strengths though. By the looks of things he's a very very limited player.
No, not trying to defend him, just trying to bring some perspective. Why is Kane being singled out when the whole team were crap? Every single one of them were crap. Shearer summed it up very well in MOTD.
The manager selects the team doesn't he? So if he selects a bunch of players that don't fit together well and play to each other's strengths, that's not the manager's fault? Ok, gottcha.