Can't disagree with that. A friend said the same to me last night when I criticized Rooney.
Harry Kane - 2015/16 performances
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I agree that the system did not suit Harry Kane but that does not excuse his poor touch, lack of mobility and outright lack of ability to play a straight forward 5 yard pass. He looked unfit throughout the entire tournament, just as he did during the run-in to the league title that lead to Spurs' collapse. His inclusion in the starting line-up was a monumental error on the part of Hodgson.
No. There are very few players who are good enough to have the team built around them. Kane isn't one of them.
He believes every word of it, unfortunate as it is.
Nobody suggested he should have the team "built round him". The point is that the manager selects the team and should therefore select players and a formation (system) that all fits together well. If he plays a striker (any striker) and the rest of the team isn't set up to get the best from said striker (as the original poster suggested), then that's the manager's fault. He's either selected the wrong striker or the wrong players around him.
A manager would expect a player like Kane to adapt to the given system. Once he didn't though, it is the manager who's at fault for still picking him. If that's what you meant, I agree with you. I interpreted that as being Hodgson's fault for not setting them up to get the best out of Kane.
Yeah, completely dodge the point made. So you don't think Kane is at fault at all for not being able to control a football, simply because the manager picked him and didn't play to his strengths? you must rate Kane very low as a player to have that opinion.
He's a good striker spearheading a very good Spurs side rather than a world class striker carrying a good Spurs side as the hype around him suggests.
His performances or lack of them weren't a surprise to me in a poor England team.
His performances or lack of them weren't a surprise to me in a poor England team.
I think this is the most wrong thing I've ever seen anyone post on here.
The atmosphere at tournament games is very much different to you precious North London derby, or any domestic fixture for that matter. Not that this is necessarily something Kane couldn't handle but it is definitely something he wont have experienced before.
Rooney had actually been pretty good up until the Iceland game (although he was certainly shocking during it!). Kane has been laughably terrible all tournament. There's been plenty of shoehorning going on. Taking five strikers then playing them on the wings or in midfield, just to keep Kane in his favoured position despite him performing much worse there than any of the other four would have.
What should have happened is Kane should have been subbed off during the Russia game and not seen in the starting line up from that point. Because he really was that bad. I was at the game and it was THE worst performance I've ever seen in person from a supposed professional footballer. I have nothing against him...it's Hodgson's fault for sticking with someone in such poor form, but there's no point making excuses for someone when they play that badly and offer that little to their team.
You think the correct starting line up would have had Jack Wheelchair in it, which is even more confusing to me than the rest of your post.
So Kane’s absolutely abysmal tournament was due to Rooney? And Alli’s poor performances, too? Got it.
Hahahaharry Kane.
Kane and Alli's been poor because of Rooney?
First of all, there is no denying Kane's overall performance was abysmal throughout the tournament. Both the factors - Wrong Formation/line up selected by Woy and his inexperience of playing at such a tournament before affected his performance IMO.
I think he was naive and anxious as he was playing his 1st major tournament which resulted in him having poor touch and long corners/free-kicks. He also wanted to do something extra with the ball instead of keeping it simple which was due to lack of his experience of playing at such a high level tournament.
In addition to that, the players England played in wide areas/midfield did not suit him. Sturidge/Sterling are no lamela/ Erikson when it comes to picking a pass in final third. He did not get the service and scoring chances he got throughout the season for Spurs. Hence his frustration grew up and he took wayward shots from distance which in turn made his performance much worse.
I am sure he will come good in upcoming season and tournaments as he is a good enough player to go missing for long.
I think he was naive and anxious as he was playing his 1st major tournament which resulted in him having poor touch and long corners/free-kicks. He also wanted to do something extra with the ball instead of keeping it simple which was due to lack of his experience of playing at such a high level tournament.
In addition to that, the players England played in wide areas/midfield did not suit him. Sturidge/Sterling are no lamela/ Erikson when it comes to picking a pass in final third. He did not get the service and scoring chances he got throughout the season for Spurs. Hence his frustration grew up and he took wayward shots from distance which in turn made his performance much worse.
I am sure he will come good in upcoming season and tournaments as he is a good enough player to go missing for long.
Maybe he's just not a very international player for whatever reason. But he's proven to be a very good player.
I remember when people were saying Alli is a better talent than Pogba and the best young talent England has had in a while.
I didn't see it at all.
I didn't see it at all.
Rooney must have been pulling funny faces to put Kane off when taking set pieces.
One of the most one eyed posts ever seen.
It's all the non Tottenham players faults everyone.
Nothing at all to do with Kane looking knackered, and struggling to do the basics like pass to a team mate 5 yard away, and not lash free kicks over the bar.
You really think there's more pressure to playing Arsenal, where only 2 sets of fans care about the result, rather than playing for England in a major tournament? Cripes aloo, wake up son.
Can see Tottenham starting slow next season. Your boys in the England squad looked every part like they'd had a gruelling season, and it's Kane's first experience of nothing going right at all.
You're a good wum I must admit.
Have to say I agree with Glaston. Going into this tournament the two best attacking players were Kane and Alli. Hodgson should have built the formation around getting the best out of those two, and that would be replicating the Tottenham formation which they've thrived in.
Shoe horning Rooney into midfield was a massive mistake. You can say he played alright against Russia but they gave him miles of space to wander around. Put up against any decent team who puts pressure on him and he falls to shit. Don't see how anyone could expect anything less after his performances for us all season.
Of course Kane and Alli played poorly themselves but the manager should be choosing the best players in their best positions.
Shoe horning Rooney into midfield was a massive mistake. You can say he played alright against Russia but they gave him miles of space to wander around. Put up against any decent team who puts pressure on him and he falls to shit. Don't see how anyone could expect anything less after his performances for us all season.
Of course Kane and Alli played poorly themselves but the manager should be choosing the best players in their best positions.
Suit yourself.
However, in the 4-2-3-1 formation that I cited, with a proper AM three behind him (instead of one into which Rooney was shoe-horned as the central AM), Kane has scored bucket-loads of goals for Spurs in the last 2 seasons. Go figure.
Nor did Pochettino (a) go wth the ridiculous notion of having the Golden Boot winner taker corners or (b) have Kane take more than the occasional free-kick.
Wrong !! His first experience of nothing going right was the start of season just gone. One goal in first nine games, all the shots that were going in the season before, weren't going in at start of last season. However, he came through it with flying colours, scoring 24 goals in the remainder of the season. He'll come through these England performances as well. All strikers have lean spells, the better ones come through it successfully.
Mate he was shite, just like Delle Alli but an awful lot more. Rooney was horrendous in the second half as well and I won't say it's others' fault. Get real.
Well....for starters maybe ACTUALLY being in the penalty area might help. I know what you're saying but he shouldn't be taking free kicks, he should be on the end of them. In the first match he was taking corners as well. In the Iceland game, on a rare England attack, He's got the ball on left side of the pitch on the half way line. What is he doing there? Needless to say it fizzled out into nothing because there was no one forward of him where he should have been. This on more than one occasion in all the matches. Add in, like you say, lack of service then it only gets worse.
I'm not saying that Kane played well. I'm saying there are reasons for his lack of performance ... involving team formation, team selection and team-roles, all of them down ultimately to Hodgson.
I agree he shouldn't be taking corners and free kicks but that came from the manager, it wasn't Kane's idea, again, blame the manager. Hodgson confirmed in a presser that it was his instruction. As for being on the halfway line, yes again I agree, but why do you think that was? Do you think perhaps he got pissed off with not getting any service and so went looking for the ball to try and influence the game? I'm sure that if the service had been coming, he would have loved to stay in the box waiting for the next cross/through ball/whatever. I'd get pretty pissed off standing in the box watching my team mates passing the ball sideways and backwards.
How can that be the case when they've been dire even when he played well?
Yes I got it, poor tactics always decide the games that's why full English team underwhelmed, you being pretty unlucky as the extremely shite half of it is made by Spurs.
Only Rashford can hold his head up after beingy the only gutsy player in that pathetic attacking formation. Perhaps Vardy also, at a stretch.
Don't get me wrong, I rate Kane, but This England team wasn't set up to utilise him properly and as a result and being the main striker he's gonna cop for some of it. But let's be honest, the whole system, set up, whatever you want to call it, from top to bottom was pathetic.
I used a question mark
. And it was more in reference to that Spurs fan basically laying the blame at Rooney for Kane & Allis poor performances.I dont think Kane is suddenly a shit player, but he looked burnt out and low on confidence. I mean he's just had two massive seasons with lots or EPL pressure and Europa league also. It's Woy's fault for not seeing this and carrying on playing him.
The comments about him being basically useless without service and a team set up around him are interesting given how many thought he would have been a great signing under LVG.
I like Kane as a player but he was so shit. Maybe the worst performance I've seen from an England player at a major tournament. Bottled it.
No he wasn't blaming Rooney, he was blaming the manager for his team selection and formation. Read the post in the context that it was meant rather than to fit you own agenda.I used a question mark
I genuinely thought the 2nd corner was actually a replay of the first
uncanny similarity.
I like Kane as a player but he was so shit. Maybe the worst performance I've seen from an England player at a major tournament. Bottled it.
Agreed. Does anyone have a similar Lukaku compilation? From a Belgium game a few days back when Hazard and De Bruyne were literally pulling their hair out with his horror performance. He wasted every ball imaginable.
It's unbelievable how a professional footballers confidence can be so fragile that players such as Kane, Rooney, Lukaku, Mertens, Higuain, Aguerro to name a few produce such dross on international stage.
No need to get worked up.
The point was since Roy plays Rooney it affects the team including Kane and Alli. They've been below average not just the last match though.
Lukaku was terrible against Italy for Belgium's first match but after that he woke up and played significantly better. Kane was consistently bad throughout 4 matches.