Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Arguably Kane's a better playmaker than Rooney proved to be across his career, in addition to by almost every metric being a better 'pure' striker. Rooney in his early years was more obviously dynamic and capable of playing as a more traditional wide forward compared to Kane (who pops up on the wings, but isn't consistently taking on full-backs in the same way). However, when you consider how often Kane would find himself starting moves off or linking things halfway through the pitch and releasing wingers, there isn't much between peak Rooney and Kane in terms of all-round play.
If playing in those SAF sides for the equivalent 9 years to those which he spent in the Tottenham 1st team and alternating between 9 and a 10, Kane wouldn't have just matched Rooney's united numbers in much fewer games, he'd be pushing 300. If he was largely played as a 'pure' 9, he'd already have gone beyond Shearer's PL record. Arguably he's the closest to a Rooney/Ruud hybrid you'll get, with the possible exception of Van Persie in SAF's final season. It's sad that with Levy's stubbornness and our ownership-induced relative constraints, we'll never see him (at least at his peak) playing for United.
This is an insane post. Peak Rooney could literally play every portion across the front line including as a 10.
It’s hard to argue Kane is better based on goal scoring numbers then argue actual assist numbers in your next post. As of now Rooney has almost double the league assists of Kane while only being 5 ahead of him in league goals
It's not insane. I said Rooney was a better wide forward. That doesn't mean he was a better playmaker across his whole career, taking into account their positions on the pitch, length of career etc. I'm old enough to have clearly seen all of Rooney's career in action, peaks and troughs, and to remember how even in the halcyon days of mid-late 2000s side, there were periods when he didn't produce as much as he seemed capable of doing in terms of numbers or assists, even as he was obviously a part of the 'machine' in terms of link-up play. Kane is more of a productivity machine, bearing in mind the sides he's played. You can disagree, but it's not an opinion outside of the bounds of reason...
Rooney was better than Kane. No doubt about it.
It's not a big final but still one. Not some pre season cup in Asia. And I bet you didn't watch the match. Good match actually, very high intensity and both sides really wanted to win.
Good to see the world renowned German sense of humour and fun coming though.
Even for the Daily Star, this is a monumentally shit headline.
I bet you are wrong, I hope it's not your usual thing to be wrong about everything.
It's a charity shield equivalent, way less pressure than league game.
Same here.
Even for the Daily Star, this is a monumentally shit headline.
An Abundance of Additional Alliteration.
Even for the Daily Star, this is a monumentally shit headline.
The "New Number No"?
"£100m Kane is a big Bay buy"
Kane hasn't always been a great playmaker, he has only 2 or 3 seasons when that part of his game looked really good. Rooney's assist numbers are better than Kane's, this includes his teenage years and 4 seasons when he was in a rapid decline.
It's so typical for us that we use one of the rare moments the league receives world wide attention like this
Don't know about that. Looks like it was done by the same poeple that do 442oons.
Pretty sure they aren't German.
Frederbahce is just as bad.
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I'd bet good money that this was created by English people for English people.
https://442oons.fandom.com/wiki/Hurri-Kane
Good to see that famous English wit at work.
Rooney started off from a higher-level than Kane, but also was developed (to the extent that this wasn't just instinctive) to act as a creative fulcrum from early on his career . Kane certainly hasn't been the 'same player' right from the 'off', although he was known for his footballing awareness as a youngster. I'm basing this on sustained peak period: Kane, through sheer practice as well as building up playing relationships with the likes of Son in particular (and more so since Eriksen left), has become a complete player in terms of ability to score and orchestrate the play, able to juggle them both for a longer-period as well as to go one level above Rooney in terms of finding 'the pass before the pass' consistently. I know that's controversial, its certainly not a majority opinion, but it's not a judgement confined to me or even to people who haven't played the game professionally or something. You also have to take into account and handicap for the sides in which they've played, although obviously those judgements are also fairly subjective.
I'm not denying Rooney was a great player - I'm just saying that Kane has developed himself in a way which Rooney, even with his 'floor' and the side in which he played his best football being of a higher level than Spur, didn't fully (whether through diet, analysis and developing in-game problem-solving under pressure, or going one step further in training; again, I'm not saying Rooney wasn't a student of the game either). When Rooney was mooted as a natural to move back into midfield and orchestrate games in his later career, I could see the reasoning but didn't think he'd be quite the deeper playmaker people championing this claimed. He obviously did play games in midfield, and did OK, sometimes well, but through a combination of diet/conditioning and whatever else, we didn't see the proto-De Bruyne masterclass (or Carrickesque string-pulling from deep) some people expected. Kane I think could play this kind of role at 34-5 + alongside energetic players, and at the highest level....
It’s not that badEven for the Daily Star, this is a monumentally shit headline.
I am pretty sure of the opposite. Let's not pretend that Hojlund is the same class as Kane and let's not pretend a coach doesn't want a player of Kane's calibre, especially a coach in a team with our striker options. City is probably the only team in the PL who would pass on Kane.
But for Levy to sell him to us, a team in the Premier League, a 'rival', he would have wanted some insane amount which we correctly chose not to pay but to say that ETH prefers an unproven 20 year old over Kane is a huge stretch.
That doesn't mean I'm unhappy we got Hojlund or that Kane went to Bayern, we had too many holes fill for us to splash the cash on Kane and ignore our other problems but that doesn't change the fact that Kane is absolute quality and a safe card that would have brought something really special to us.
Christ
I don't think Kane should have played at all. It seems weird that he had only met the players several hours before his first game.
I'd agree with that if Bayern had a more decent choice as their #9. They paid a record fee for him for a reason.
I think Kane is easily a better playmaker than Rooney. His passing is much better(at every kind of pass bar maybe air long balls), so is his link up play.
Kane had a normal pre season with Spurs, he's fully fit. Why shouldn't he play in a glorified friendly like the super cup?
Did you start watching football in 2015 because no statement epitomizes that you never saw Rooney play in his prime than this ridiculous statement. Rooney was an absolute force, the disrespect is real.
I hope their goal was to go for maximum cringe.
That is utterly insane
He really isn't. It feels like people take a couple of seasons when Kane's playmaking was exceptional and apply them to his whole career.
And @Baxquux there's zero chance Kane will play the role United fans thought Rooney could've done late in his career. He'll remain a striker till he retires.
Yeah I reckon Kane’s passing is better too, and it’s underrated. But Rooney could really influence the tempo of a game in the way Kane can’t. He was the heartbeat of the team at times, his energy and personality could transform the mood of the team. Kane needs the play to move around him so he can be the fulcrum, but Rooney could go both ways.
Kane and Rooney are different styles of players and, at their peak, were/are both world class. No point really trying to compare them further.
Kane’s conference today suggests to me that he’s still after Shearer’s record. Expect him back in England in 2025. Sadly, unless it’s a very good deal, I think it’s probably best avoided for us by then.
Kane’s conference today suggests to me that he’s still after Shearer’s record. Expect him back in England in 2025. Sadly, unless it’s a very good deal, I think it’s probably best avoided for us by then.
Germany showing they have the sense of humour and intellectual level of 10 year old British YouTubers
Some of us have been watching football since the mid 90s and have seen hundreds of hours of Rooney play as well as being exposed to the various debates across time about his potential, his performances, his impact on the team, his best position and so on, alongside with the various tabloid stories about his lifestyle. That doesn't automatically make people experts, and produces all kinds of diverging opinions but it does at least give a base sense of how good he was, but also what some of his flaws were along with his unrealized potential . There's a good case, if not an unequivocal one, that Kane at his peak is just a more creative player in terms of linking things together in the final third as well as regularly starting moves off.
I'm not saying he will (returning to PL for the Shearer record might get in the way of this, for a start); I'm saying in principle he's arguably better suited to this than Rooney ended up being once he got into his 30s. The arguments were that Rooney would essentially go from Scholes CF/Second ST of 95 (but at higher level) to late-career Scholes (sitting deep and dictating play, as well as moving forward when needs be, rather than the more dynamic peak-period Scholes CM role which Rooney's decreasing mobility would stop him from potentially. There was a bit of that towards the end of his career with Everton and, mainly Derby, but we didn't really see it. Prior to then, late in his United career we saw something closer to Rooney trying to play the 'peak' Scholes role, albeit in slightly different tactical set-up, but I don't think he played it consistently, even in terms of controlling tempo and short-passing, breaking the press or finding overlapping full-backs and all the rest. Some of that was just down to playing in weaker sides by that point, of course...
It's sad how this situation unfolded. By all accounts, he really wanted to join United. How much did Bayern end up paying?
Nonsense
Must have been hurting watching him in a Bayern shirt for the Spurs fans yesterday. I know i did when i saw Ronaldo in a Madrid shirt for the first time and eventually got over it
Doesn't exactly look like he's England's brightest in that clip.
It was made by an English person for the English market. So I gues it rather says something about England.