Yeah hold up play is key as well. With Sancho, Rashford and Antony, I think having someone up top with let’s say the hold up ability of peak RVP would be incredible. They need someone to play off and I don’t think Bruno on the 10 quite gives that.
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Yeah, Bruno isn't right for it either. He can't play with his back to goal.
We need a striker who can play the pass over their shoulder or lay the ball off to a player facing forward and run in behind. It's much quicker than a player who wants to turn, run and pass all themselves like Kane. He's got to much freedom to do what he wants at Spurs I don't trust he would fit into a system at a big club.
I'll post it here too, since a lot of people seem to suffer from recency bias. He's not cutting it in Europe, but neither is his team. He probably gets scapegoated this much because Spurs have no other players of the same level of quality, so therefore he's first in the pecking order. No man should be able to carry Spurs alone, so I think it's just lazy to blame it all on him.
This season in premier league:
Scored against: Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, .
Assisted against City.
Only two big matches has he not scored in: Arsenal (home) and Man Utd (away)
That's 7 teams he has showed up for and only 2 he hasn't.
So he clearly does show up, and he is able to carry them at times
Whether we sign him or Osimhen both have different qualities and will fit in various teams depending on other players and their qualities.
Osimhen is really fast, quick and strong, which will allow us to bully some teams up top and will give us threat up top and running ability alongside Rashford which will be great asset as teams would have to look out for runs from two players who are very quick and high lines against us will probably be suicidal.
But he is a little tough around the edges, will require closer to 120m pounds and on the bad days we will have Bruno, Rashford and Osimhen all giving away the ball frequently and we may not be able to pin teams back.
With Kane we know he is a proven scorer and knows the league well and will bring in his passing ability and his touch is always reliable so his bottom level is still very high.
However we will lose the athleticism and running power and strength up top, plus his age is also a concern and may physically start getting more weaker which is not a good sign, whereas the other striker can play for another 10 years or so.
In terms of value for money Osimhen may turn out to be better as he will probably further grow as a player and he is still relatively young. Lastly I think we will try to get in touch with both and see which is an easier signing. Because we can mould our style with both players. Kane will be best for possession based football and Osimhen more suited to counter attacking football.
Osimhen is really fast, quick and strong, which will allow us to bully some teams up top and will give us threat up top and running ability alongside Rashford which will be great asset as teams would have to look out for runs from two players who are very quick and high lines against us will probably be suicidal.
But he is a little tough around the edges, will require closer to 120m pounds and on the bad days we will have Bruno, Rashford and Osimhen all giving away the ball frequently and we may not be able to pin teams back.
With Kane we know he is a proven scorer and knows the league well and will bring in his passing ability and his touch is always reliable so his bottom level is still very high.
However we will lose the athleticism and running power and strength up top, plus his age is also a concern and may physically start getting more weaker which is not a good sign, whereas the other striker can play for another 10 years or so.
In terms of value for money Osimhen may turn out to be better as he will probably further grow as a player and he is still relatively young. Lastly I think we will try to get in touch with both and see which is an easier signing. Because we can mould our style with both players. Kane will be best for possession based football and Osimhen more suited to counter attacking football.
We currently have a pointless French charlatan, Elanga, Rashford, and Wout as our centre forward options. And people are questioning buying Harry Kane?
Good grief.
Good grief.
Harry Kane is solid gold as a striker, I'd fecking love him.
You are assuming the way we play and attack right now is the optimal system that Ten Hag is trying to build.
You're not watching his performances. You're just looking at the stats. Can you not see he gets bullied out of big matches time and time again. He's become very slow.
Son aside he's surrounded by a midtable players, with Son having played like a midtable player this season. And the dreck football Conte has them playing can hardly get the best out of him. No matter what Kane did I'd expect Spurs to lose most big games they're in.
He does look slower than he did even a few years ago though, which is a more substantial concern.
He does look slower than he did even a few years ago though, which is a more substantial concern.
That kind of fast passing is the optimal system in world football right now. If we want to win anything at all, that's what we are trying to build.
I have long thought it's one of the reasons why nobody has ever really been in for Kane. City are the only ones, and they moved on after about a week.
Gets bullied out of big matches but is consistently scoring in them?
I keep saying this. We don’t need a striker for 10 years. How long did RVN last?
He did last for what 5 seasons at least and he was in his prime not 30 years old when he was signed.
Another thing that was in his favor was that how much football at top level he had played. Kane has been around for ages and played the toughest level and his Physicality also appears to be waning.
I am not against any of these two strikers, I think they are both amazing and will give us different qualities as explained above. But if you can’t see how Harry Kane who is 30 years old and in the last year of his contract and will probably cost 100m is not a risk of investment I can’t help you mate.
Osimhen is probably a safer bet and even if he flops, he will still go back to Italy ala Lukaku and we will be able to get 70 odd million for him. Due to his age and his performances in that league.
It’s got to be Kane. Napoli are shit to deal with (not that Levy is much better), plus a smooth transition from Serie A to the PL isn’t always guaranteed. Kane for me hits the ground running and instantly makes us PL/ CL challengers with the addition of another competent CM.
He should stay at Spurs. Leaving them at his age just to add a trophy to his Wiki page is asking for karma.
Kane might have left it too late.
There are other strikers out there like Sesko, Osimhen and Ramos etc, United may think getting a younger striker in would be preferable ?
There are other strikers out there like Sesko, Osimhen and Ramos etc, United may think getting a younger striker in would be preferable ?
My post clearly states that he can score against the bigger sides but when the stakes are really high like a knockout round, cup final etc he's found wanting.
Will he have a meaningful performance against Spurs rivals for top 4 in the remaining games when it counts a lot more?
Its not a coincidence we've seen him come up small in way too many big moments now. His most high profile game where he was the difference maker is in the last 16 of the World Cup against Ivory Coast or QF of Euro 2020 against Germany. Not much for a supposed world class player.
How old was Benzema when he won bal on dor? All comparison pieces but Kane didn’t start his career at 16-18 like a wonderkid. He had a normal trajectory and yes whilst he might have lost a bit of pace. If he looks after himself he can still play top level until he’s 34-35. Considering we want to win the title/s in the next 3 years I do not see a problem.
The issue I have with Osimhen is he has a trajectory of a Dider Drogba and whilst that might sound good. It took him two years to fully be impactful in this league and unlike Chelsea at the time.. we don’t have 3/4 strikers to rotate whilst he works it out. He also seems counterproductive to having Marcus Rashford.
The Spurs lads over at the Fighting Cock forum have conceded that he needs to leave, in the wake of getting KOed by AC Milan.
And he has hit a point where it’s now or never this summer.
And he has hit a point where it’s now or never this summer.
So what you are saying is when his team fails he fails?
Is this really an impactful conclusion.
Either team could get top 4 or miss out.
With Kane I think Poch alone could convince Kane to stay, even more so if they finish top 4. There's so many variables until the summer. United could look a good prospect or a tricky sideways move still.
With Kane I think Poch alone could convince Kane to stay, even more so if they finish top 4. There's so many variables until the summer. United could look a good prospect or a tricky sideways move still.
World class players should be the difference between their teams failure and success. Of course it will be unreasonable to expect Kane to always be the difference but the fact that he never has when the stakes are high tells its own story.
CL final 2019 he was a non-factor, Euro 2020 final at home, missing, domestic cup finals nada, CL knockouts after the last 16 nothing.
He's had incredible games against top sides as you mention but he can never replicate it when there's actually something on the line. That is a Kane problem to me.
Exactly this. It's a winning mentality that some players have and some don't, where they can handle the additional pressure of the biggest games and rise to the occasion. My problem with him coming here is that there is significant additional pressure just by virtue of being a Manchester United player. Can he handle it? For 100m its too much of a risk to find out.
Again does it just fit a narrative. the last good domestic cup run he scored in the quarters didn’t in the semi. Then before that he scored in the semi.
The last time they had a good champions league run he was injured for quarters and the semi and we all know he wasn’t fully fit for the final.
If he plays for a better team I’m sure like his peirs he scores. How successful was Thierry Henry when his team are unsuccessful in what you consider crucial games?
I do agree with you that Kane is probably more suited to Rashford, because his playmaking ability will help Rashford get at the end of passes and crosses and in the next 3 years Kane is maybe a better option. However, I would dread to see if Osimhen becomes a Drogba like player and we have to live with it for next 10 years. Plus we will have to spend significantly to sign Kane’s replacement in another 3 years.
It’s an important decision which ETH has to make regarding what type of football he wants to play and accordingly try to sign one of these players.
I hear what you mean. But we have Greenwood who is probably better than all the strikers we have been linked with. It’s not a discussion topic right now which is fine. But he’ll need a year to catch up on the minutes he’s missed and then he’ll probably rotate with Kane and the RW. So we are fine.
(All subjective thinking based on him returning to the team in the summer)
I don't know why people think Spurs getting top four will make Kane want to stay?
He wants to actually win the league and Champions league and he knows that there is close to zero per cent chance of that next season at Spurs.
If he's smart he will tell Daniel Levy that he agrees to sell him to the club of his choice this summer, otherwise he will sulk and walk for free next summer.
Genuinely think he could be signed for £40/50 million this summer if Kane is smart.
He wants to actually win the league and Champions league and he knows that there is close to zero per cent chance of that next season at Spurs.
If he's smart he will tell Daniel Levy that he agrees to sell him to the club of his choice this summer, otherwise he will sulk and walk for free next summer.
Genuinely think he could be signed for £40/50 million this summer if Kane is smart.
Teddy should have a word with him - I reckon he will finally have to admit that it's time to leave Spurs. Whether he would rather play abroad is another matter...
I like Kane but as I said the other day would be gutted to gift wrap Osimhen for Chelsea or maybe even Arsenal
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Kane is the most no brainer signing even if you take age into account.
He will help us win the league if he comes. People worried about his age need only look at the last time we won the league. I’d rather sign a known quantity in the PL in Kane then someone younger with more risk.
I don’t see how it’s even a conversation.
He will help us win the league if he comes. People worried about his age need only look at the last time we won the league. I’d rather sign a known quantity in the PL in Kane then someone younger with more risk.
I don’t see how it’s even a conversation.
We would be 8-1 up now if we had Kane
Doubt it. He wouldn’t make it into the box
Rashford often goes beyond the striker here though, like Son does at Spurs. I'd view Kane as a Weghorst that scores and creates far more often (although not as good a presser).
Can’t see arsenal dropping £100m+ on any player, can’t really operate in that space.
Could see it if they win league
If we sign him we have to win the CL or the PL next season.
It's fecking annoying when we sign players of this age profile and then harp on about some rebuild. No, when you spend big on a player with a short shelf life you need to win immediately. If you're not ready to win now, then go for a younger target.
It's fecking annoying when we sign players of this age profile and then harp on about some rebuild. No, when you spend big on a player with a short shelf life you need to win immediately. If you're not ready to win now, then go for a younger target.