Obligations to buy don't go around FFP. If there is an obligation to buy then the player is considered permanently transferred. What you described is only interesting for United from a cash flow point of view, if that's an issue in the first place.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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Obligations to buy don't go around FFP. If there is an obligation to buy then the player is considered permanently transferred. What you described is only interesting for United from a cash flow point of view, if that's an issue in the first place.
I never got the impression he was totally into it you know. It always felt like he didn't think Bayern could get a deal done but didn't want to close the door. Its almost like it just got real for him.
Always said he wouldn't be a Bayern player. I'll die on that hill.
The guy is a bottler. No winning mentality. I hope he never wins a trophy in his career if he stays at Spurs and signs an extension. A pathetic loser. Perfect England and Spurs player.
I love us nobodies on online boards telling actual professionals in a sport what their career should be about
Ahahaha this guy!
Staying at spurs
Staying at spurs
Didn't Dortmund lose Lewandowski for free?
Ah I see! Would that still be the case if the deal were conditional on him making a certain number of appearances this season? That way there wouldn't be a straight-up obligation to buy.
If this turns out the way Neville called it...
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Not at all, I am only stating exactly what I said then. Not because it is genius or requiring amazing thinking, but because it requires a bit of balance and patience, which fans don't have around transfers. It's about a new toy right now and there's never any thought of what the big picture is. We have managed to strengthen our overall squad significantly this summer with probably at least one more to come and that's because we didn't follow the advice of people on here that were quite happy entering into a summers worth of negotiation over Harry Kane with a prospective 100-120 million fee at the end of it. We'd still be sat here with our dick in our hands negotiating with Daniel Levy if the fans in this thread were the decision makers and our squad would be all the weaker for it.
Who cares if he's not fit for a few weeks, that doesn't enter into a transfer strategy. It's not a desperate situation as you describe it.
You can say that for many a player. "If you have the opportunity to sign Sanchez, or Pogba." Probably the type of thinking that guided many of our transfer blunders over recent years. We want to sign Harry Kane but we're going to attempt it in a more responsible way than the abject thinking that hindered us in the past. That means getting around Levy, removing him from the equation, using persuasion and influence to get it done rather than cheque books. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, it won't harm us because we've still been in a position to make all of our moves in the market. Harry Kane is just a plan, not the whole plan, and I think that's why we've still been able to operate effectively rather than those summers of endless, fruitless pursuits, overpaying, and panic stations at the end.
Yeah, conditional clauses are the loophole. From memory PSG and Monaco used a relegation clause in the case of Mbappé. The key point is that the clause needs to only be triggered after the winter transfer window, that way the player can only be permanently moved in June/July 2024.
Edit: That's if FFP is an issue.
Yes, those crazy people on discussion forums sharing opinions, the clowns.
I would hope so, seeing as he's married
I know. This should have been Yahoo mailing list, our opinions would be more valuable then
He'll sign for us on a free next year.
I’d hesitate too if she was naked on my couch. Can’t having her seeing I’ve spaffed myself. Have to let things cool down a bit down there first, play the long game.
I always thought it was weird when Bayern people kept saying “If Kane keeps his word everything will be fine”. If yoj are spending this much money sure you know if someone is wants to come or not without hesitation.
United would need a huge assist from Qatar to make it happen this summer plus some elite level balancing of FFP.
He loves being the big fish in the small pond. I’ve said it for years, he’s been looking for a reason to stay imo. Hence the rumours of being willing to sign a new contract if Spurs get off to a good start.
Levy just called his bluff
Sometimes it is better to be a king at his own average castle than being only a average player in someone else amazing castle.
So Bayern have been pushing for this deal for some time and didn't have the agreement with Kane? or had an agreement but now that it looks like Spurs have accepted and he actually has the chance to leave he has second thoughts? if he ends up staying now that makes him look terrible.
Not suggesting this with Kane, but isn't there a club this season doing an 'option to buy' but either the selling or buying club can activate it as a way round the 'obligation to buy' ffp rules. I want to say PSG with Ramos but I could be making that up.
Bayern got played by Kane here.
Either he really has a master plan or he's an idiot and will re-sign with Spurs after a few wins early in the season.
Either he really has a master plan or he's an idiot and will re-sign with Spurs after a few wins early in the season.
I think United wanted Kane all along.
I was sure Kane would leave if a fee was agreed. This saga has been an incredible watch from the sidelines. I'm so glad we're not involved in this circus.
Staying is one thing.. but does he sign a new contract, that’s going to be the telling part. If not then it’s possible he wants united.
he wants that PL record
he wants that PL record
He'd still be one of, if not the best player at Bayern. Understandable if he doesn't want to uproot his life and move his family to Munich.
It's just baffling that this was allowed to get this far if he hadn't already committed to the move
It's times like these when I miss the enlightened, expert opinion from @GlastonSpur
Bayern will be left with egg on their faces but I don't even think Kane was trying to play them, he's just doing a Frenkie.
I'll be quite surprised if he chooses to run down his contract. Footballers rarely take that risk, it seems. I know he's not that old yet, but there would be a lot of security in signing a new 4 year deal, either with Spurs or Bayern.
Yes it is the option, it skirts FFP and is being used for Ramos to PSG and also the Raya deal with Arsenal.
okThere are all sorts of clauses but an unilateral clause serves no one in this case, unless both clubs are fine with a standard loan. It's not an FFP, accounting move.
Sure Adidas we help us get this over the line if needed. We need a big name in the team.
Cue the reports of Kane angry that Levy has postponed this until the last couple of days before the season starts. Levy could've accepted this on purpose knowing Kane won't move now the seasons about to start and it doesn't leave him much time to move to Germany uproot his whole family.
So he's pulling a reverse Lukaku here? Brilliant.
It won't.