Where has anyone said anything condescending?
Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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Where has anyone said anything condescending?
Is that true because you say so? Statistics from the PL website:
Kane
Shots 596
Shots on target 269
Shooting accuracy % 45%
Hit woodwork 19
Big chances missed 67
Lukaku
Shots 626
Shots on target 284
Shooting accuracy % 45%
Hit woodwork 19
Big chances missed 71
You suggested, because I didn't share your opinion, that I must have not watched Kane play before.
The way you’re talking about Kane does suggest you haven’t seen that much of him, he’s far from just a poacher.
Because I really don’t see Kane as a poacher. To me a poacher is a box player who doesn’t really create much but just pops up and score. What’s your definition of a poacher?
I must have seen him play over a hundred times including twice live. He is what he is and is a great player, but other than as a goalscorer I don't see aspect of his game that are particularly strong.
There isn't any aspect of his game that is weakness too. He is very good goal scorer, his shooting technique is among the best in the league, can score all type of goals, headers, right foot, left foot.
Apart from this, his dribbling is good, he isn't great dribbler but he uses his body so well to carry the ball, his passing is very good and his link up play is just superb. More than all, his work rate is superb.
So in short, he is complete package with no weakness to his game.
His passing and vision are excellent. If he stays injury free he should have a long career as he doesn't rely on pace and in the latter part of his career I can see him dropping deeper and playing like a Teddy Sheringham. The main reason he doesn't have many assists is that his team mates missed a fair few sitters where he had set them up. There's a video on You Tube that showcases his all round game reasonably well but unfortunately I am not allowed to embed it.
I'm not sure about that, he certainly doesn't have Sheringham type vision and class IMO
Id say a poacher is a player adept at scoring goals, especially but not exclusively in the penalty box. Poachers sniff out opportunities and score goals where others would not, relying on movement and anticipation. So many times I've watched Kane play and he has gone missing for swathes of the match, but he still scores. It's the hallmark of a good striker. I don't consider a poacher to be a 6 yard box tap in merchant, it's more about their mentality.
Fair enough I guess we just view him differently
Agree with all of this
I’m guessing we simply have a different definition of a poacher then. Kane links the play between midfield and attack so well often feeding Son, Eriksen or Dele. To me a poacher doesn’t do that, a poacher is more a box player, playing off the defenders shoulder and as you say sniffing out second phase balls etc.
Average at best in my opinion. I mean, if he was as creative as you suggest, he'd have more than 2 assists last season.
Rooney was a striker with an excellent all round game, I don't think Kane comes anywhere close to that. Henry and Aguero are also more rounded in imo.
Are the figures wrong?
So you're just including a period which suits your argument.
Ok. That seems logical as opposed to looking at overall goalscoring.
Its 108 in 153 games for Kane and 102 in 220 games for Lukaku
Its no where near equal, that would be like me saying Lukaku has a better record than Van Nistelrooy because Ruud has 95 goals and Lukaku 102
You're right I should include all seasons going back to 1993 when they were born.
You're being obtuse for the sake of it and getting laughed at by your fellow United fans, says it all really.
They are pointless without including games played.
Wait are there actually people in here debating Lukaku is as good as Kane?
Some are saying he is better.
Damn right.
Theres always some on the caf that over value our players by a large margin, im sure Young is the best LB in England, Lingard is as good as Hazard, Pogba is better than Zidane, etc.
Rom is a great striker, just not on Kane's level, hope he can step it up next season and be in the race for the golden boot.
Your home, shouldn't be so weird to see these posts considering your posts on Lukaku.
Stop applying logic, this is too much now.
Its 108 in 153 games for Kane and 102 in 220 games for Lukaku
Its no where near equal, that would be like me saying Lukaku has a better record than Van Nistelrooy because Ruud has 95 goals and Lukaku 102
Javier Hernadez is a poacher, Inzhagi was a poacher. Harry Kane isn't a poacher. He's a complete number 9.
Never said Lukaku was better, just that I prefer him to Kane.
Harry Kane is the second coming of Messi in this thread.
Where has anyone said that? People are just saying Kane is better, which is true. Lukaku is a very good striker but few would take him over Kane
He isn't but he is by far the best striker in the league.
It's almost the opposite of the Lukaku thread where he's 'not good enough to lead the line for United' or 'hasnt progressed like he should have'. In this thread he's as good or better than Kane and probably better than RVN.
Of course no doubt, I really doubted his ability to step up for a bigger team this season. But he had a good solid season and he started to do more work off the ball rather than just his goals which surprised me.
Kane is by far the most complete striker and to compare him to Rom is outrageous, I'm pretty sure Morata ended up with a similar goal/min ratio in the league this year as lukaku? Not sure if somebody can confirm that.
To look at how they both do in the tournament is fair enough but you just have to think as a striker, would you rather service from Rashford, Lingard, Sterling, Ali, Henderson or Hazard, Mertens, De Bruyne, Carrasco etc.
Says a lot really.
My comment had nothing to do with Lukaku. When you have people talking about his amazing passing vision (did he claim that from Eriksen as well?) and he has no weaknesses (when it's obvious the ball over the top or behind the full back isn't an option due to him being slow as molasses). Someone even said he could play as a no.10 if he wanted. Some people are really up his arse.
I prefer Aguero, who scores at the same rate but assists at a far higher rate but ok.
Poch tried it about 2 seasons ago when Jansen first came - he was horrible in that position.
So 2 comments then? Most people in the thread have been objective about Kane, they’re just giving him his fair dues
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Those 2 comments, as well as some Spurs posters that pop up whenever someone doesn't talk of him as the best striker ever. Someone also called him the best striker in the world as well.
Lewandowski, Higuain, Aubameyang and Aguero all have a shout of being better (Kane's is a baby in the CL, whereas these are CL veterans). Then you have the likes of Cavani, Immobile, Icardi and Suarez (he'd be ahead of Kane but has been on the decline) that can be in the conversation.
Of course there is Ronaldo who plays as a striker now and is on a different planet to Kane but that is obvious.
What a player.
I mean there's nothing exciting about him but bloody hell he's brilliant in the final third
I mean there's nothing exciting about him but bloody hell he's brilliant in the final third