Method is provided at the bottom of the pdf. It's compiled from US census data not from research undertaken by the institute. Hence why there's disagreement over why there is a gender gap - as opposed to whether there is one at all.
Does this new right actually have any fecking clue what being "left" means?
It seems they use it as a derogative vessel that could contain anything they do not like. There's at least 5 posters in this thread alone who seem to have no fecking clue what the "left" is. All the crybabies identifying themselves with the "left" doesn't help obviously... but it's not as if the left didn't have a origin or 150 years of tradition (Some great/some tragic).
It is as maddening as the misuse of the word "liberal" in the U.S.
Certainly seems like the most sensible approach. Anyway, I'm not even suggesting everyone needs to really immerse themselves in past trauma, just try and be a little less precious around stuff that might, indirectly, remind them of it. Coming back to phobias, the most effective techniques involve gradual exposure to very watered down versions of whatever they're phobic about. Someone who has a phobia about spiders might start by imagining a spider, then progressing through looking at and touching cartoonish drawings, realistic drawings, unrealistic models, realistic models and so on all the way to an actual spider. Being regularly exposed to stuff which might trigger unpleasant memories would seem like a sensible first step on this path. Going out of your way to ever encounter any triggers just seems really unhelpful to the individual concerned,
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...rveyofhoursandearnings/2015provisionalresults
The Office for National Statistics recently released a study on it in the UK- if you are interested
The pay gap is measured on a per-job basis. I.E Male nurses being paid more than female nurses for the same amount of work.
It's all part of the ever growing polarization, especially in the US, where both sides view evening being on the opposite side as being evil. Any words or ideas presented by someone perceived as being "on the other side" are treated with contempt, while those from someone on "my side" are treated as praise worthy, to hell with actually understanding the content.
You don't honestly believe that do you? So if a newly educated male and a newly educated female get the same job at a company, do you think the salary on his contract says 100,000$/year while hers say 78,000$/year. That stuff does not happen, simply because it's illegal, and this hypothetical woman would have completely annihilated this hypothetical company in a court of law
The pay gap is real, but not because women get paid less for same work. There is a myriad of other reasons. The biggest being that men on average take higher paying jobs like STEM, mining, industry etc vs women who prefer lower paid occupations like education and nursing. Also, there is seniority, leadership, the hours you work etc. Now you could make a very good case for traditional "female occupations" deserving more pay, but the biggest reason they are paid less is that the unions here are much younger and less established then their "male counterpart" unions.
Honestly, i can't believe how people still perpetuate this myth. I have never seen a single proof that women earn less for exactly the same work, i'd wager because none exists. Taking a nationwide average, conveniently ignoring all other factors and then using it as "proof" for something is the mother of all statistical fallacies.
If i were to look at crimes in the UK and Norway, i can see that the UK had roughly 3,7 million reported crimes while Norway had 370,000 in 2014. Ah man, the Brits are so criminal! 10 times the crime! Where is the headlines! (While conveniently ignoring that England roughly has 10 times the population of Norway). I know it's a stupid and exaggerated example, but just trying to point out that statistics can be misused in a number of ways.
OK, number of female board members?100% agree but you are a sexist pig or something.
Rooney gets paid more than Fellani because United obviously discriminate against Belgium's with Bushy hair. I've got stats that prove it.
The averaging and grouping of jobs/sectors while not accounting for any factors (among many more) like time served, experience, qualifications but accounting for sex or race are completely ludicrous.
You don't honestly believe that do you? So if a newly educated male and a newly educated female get the same job at a company, do you think the salary on his contract says 100,000$/year while hers say 78,000$/year. That stuff does not happen, simply because it's illegal, and this hypothetical woman would have completely annihilated this hypothetical company in a court of law
The pay gap is real, but not because women get paid less for same work. There is a myriad of other reasons. The biggest being that men on average take higher paying jobs like STEM, mining, industry etc vs women who prefer lower paid occupations like education and nursing. Also, there is seniority, leadership, the hours you work etc. Now you could make a very good case for traditional "female occupations" deserving more pay, but the biggest reason they are paid less is that the unions here are much younger and less established then their "male counterpart" unions.
Honestly, i can't believe how people still perpetuate this myth. I have never seen a single proof that women earn less for exactly the same work, i'd wager because none exists. Taking a nationwide average, conveniently ignoring all other factors and then using it as "proof" for something is the mother of all statistical fallacies.
If i were to look at crimes in the UK and Norway, i can see that the UK had roughly 3,7 million reported crimes while Norway had 370,000 in 2014. Ah man, the Brits are so criminal! 10 times the crime! Where is the headlines! (While conveniently ignoring that England roughly has 10 times the population of Norway). I know it's a stupid and exaggerated example, but just trying to point out that statistics can be misused in a number of ways.
She was taken aback: “Isn’t that a bit … rightwing?”
Our analysis shows that women’s median earnings are lower than men’s in all of the 20 most common occupations for women, all but one of the most common occupations for men, and, indeed, in almost all occupations for which a gender wage gap can be calculated. Female-dominated occupations tend to have lower median earnings than male-dominated occupations, which has a particularly pernicious impact on the women who work in the lowest paid female occupations, including ‘cashiers,’ ‘maids and household cleaners,’ ‘waiters and waitresses,’ and ‘personal care aides,’ where even full-time work may leave them with earnings at, or only marginally above, the federal poverty threshold.
Yes it does, look at pdf. There's varying wage gaps in every occupation.That's exactly what i said. Is there a pay gap? Undeniably, and i think most sensible people would agree these professions would deserve a wage increase, but disparity in median wages does not mean that women get less pay for the same job. As i said, any employer doing such a thing would be (deservedly) rotting away in prison.
All over the western world, there has been a a lot incentive lately to get women into traditional male (and higher paying) occupations like STEM, IT and finance. The intentions are good and the political will is there, but it's not working. Why? Simply because women don't want to work in these fields and you can't really force them either.
Afaik, when you're on maternity or paternity leave your rights to wage increases and and all other working rights are protected. If it really is just childbearing making the difference, it's definitely illegal discrimination.@Silva
@Bury Red offers almost entirely anecdotal evidence there.
You would expect white middle class males to dominate board positions in countries where they are the dominant demographic because they have generally higher educational levels and they are less likely to have taken significant time off work for child rearing. I am not saying that there is no discrimination in the work place but should we realistically expect 'equal representation'?
What about these statistics, from a more reliable source surely?
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...rveyofhoursandearnings/2015provisionalresults
Figure 9 shows gender pay differences by age group. When looking at the differences for full-time employees, the gap is relatively small up to and including those aged 30 to 39 (with the exception of the 16 to 17 age group). In fact, in the 22 to 29 age group, women are paid on average slightly more than men. From 40 upwards, the gap is much wider, with men being paid substantially more on average than women. This is likely to be connected with the fact that women who have children often take time out of the labour market.
Which helps to explain why there are more men in higher paid jobs, skewing the wage gap in mean terms, as you generally need years of experience for these roles and women miss out on the same levels as men due to child rearing.
@Bury Red offers almost entirely anecdotal evidence there.
You would expect white middle class males to dominate board positions in countries where they are the dominant demographic because they have generally higher educational levels and they are less likely to have taken significant time off work for child rearing. I am not saying that there is no discrimination in the work place but should we realistically expect 'equal representation'?
Which helps to explain why there are more men in higher paid jobs, skewing the wage gap in mean terms, as you generally need years of experience for these roles and women miss out on the same levels as men due to child rearing.
We then provide new analyses for the 1980 to 2010 period that include decompositions of the changes in the gender wage gap into portions associated with key characteristics such as schooling, experience, industry, occupation and union status. We also examine how women fared relative to men at various points in the wage distribution. Our decompositions show the importance of these measured factors in accounting for the levels and changes in the gender pay gap. We also find that an unexplained gap remains and, moreover, that it has been stable subsequent to a dramatic narrowing over the 1980s.
Bloody political correctness, showing us that black people exist and sing!
#notracistjustconcernedabouttheeconomy
John Lewis don't even sell golliwogs any more, or Bernard Manning DVDs. White genocide!For fecks sake.
I'm guessing there were no complaints about the lack of white people when they did that advert with the bear and hare? Bloody animals, marginalising us whites!
Don't even joke about it, that's the hash tag on a retweet only 5 down her page, the woman's a complete loon who totally fails to see the irony that she's a proud Brit reclaiming her country from these immigrant hordes from her house in France.John Lewis don't even sell golliwogs any more, or Bernard Manning DVDs. White genocide!
John Lewis don't even sell golliwogs any more, or Bernard Manning DVDs. White genocide!
Bloody political correctness, showing us that black people exist and sing!
#notracistjustconcernedabouttheeconomy
And their black puddings.Even all the clothes in their "funeral attire" section are black.
Yes it does, look at pdf. There's varying wage gaps in every occupation.
Afaik, when you're on maternity or paternity leave your rights to wage increases and and all other working rights are protected. If it really is just childbearing making the difference, it's definitely illegal discrimination.
That's why Asda recently lost a tribunal on this issue and may have to pay up to £100M to female employees. Something being illegal doesn't mean non-existent. Birmingham City Council had to pay out almost a billion pound for the gender gap, too. Random bolding added for reasons.Just because a median male takes home more than a median female does not mean males/females with the same job/seniority/experience/education etc gets paid differently. Repeating the same phrase won't make it true
Jon and Jane with identical job/seniority/experience/education has the same hourly wage, anything other would be illegal, not to mention utterly ridiculous.
Could you imagine the uproar if a company did in fact discriminate females like that?
As i said, there is a wage gap, and there is still plenty of spheres where women are discriminated against, but claiming that men earn more then women for the same job is bollocks
Bloody political correctness, showing us that black people exist and sing!
#notracistjustconcernedabouttheeconomy
Read her Twitter feed. I'm afraid she's real and if you want the really bad news, she lives in France.It's a troll. No one will seriously claim that the celebration of Jesus Christ, is a white and british tradition. Christianism is one of the biggest relic of immigration, black people have the same right to be christians than british for the simple reason that none of us invented the thing.
It's a troll. No one will seriously claim that the celebration of Jesus Christ, is a white and british tradition. Christianism is one of the biggest relic of immigration, black people have the same right to be christians than british for the simple reason that none of us invented the thing.
Read her Twitter feed. I'm afraid she's real and if you want the really bad news, she lives in France.
I went to school with a practicing Christian who didn't know who Judas was until the last few weeks of our Philosophy of Religion A level. Plenty of stupid people around.I read it but I will be in denial, no one is that stupid. It would have been intellectually better to just claim that blacks are inferior instead of pretending that the celebration of a middle eastern religion is reserved to white people.
I went to school with a practicing Christian who didn't know who Judas was until the last few weeks of our Philosophy of Religion A level. Plenty of stupid people around.
I still remember the mental breakdown of people when Madonna had a black Jesus in the video for like a prayer.Excuse me for my lack of political correctness but these people should be battered with a bible while standing on a map. They must be really confused when they here about Jerusalem pilgrimage.
Don't forget about santaI still remember the mental breakdown of people when Madonna had a black Jesus in the video for like a prayer.
That's why Asda recently lost a tribunal on this issue and may have to pay up to £100M to female employees. Something being illegal doesn't mean non-existent. Random bolding added for reasons.
That's why Asda recently lost a tribunal on this issue and may have to pay up to £100M to female employees. Something being illegal doesn't mean non-existent. Birmingham City Council had to pay out almost a billion pound for the gender gap, too. Random bolding added for reasons.
Kind of shows the system's working in a way though, the law taking it's course and that.
Now how about some legislation to aid young working class white males, who compared to their female counterparts are more likely to commit suicide, more likely to be in prison and more likely to be addicted to drugs, whilst less likely to pass five GCSEs, go to university or gain employment, and if they do they will earn less at least until their 30, and maybe forever, we'll have to see as the generations age.
I've no great ideas on the subject unfortunately, I just find it odd that some social causes are fashionable and people fall over themselves trying to prove how much they care about them, whilst there are others no one gives a toss about.