Well, it's not dependent on anything tbh. Just giving my opinion as you are welcome to have yours.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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People do not "bounce" backwards and forwards. That is a very disparaging way of describing one (or more) gender identities. It implies it is some sort of fashion choice akin to changing your shoes. Which of course it isn't.
I also wonder why you fell it is your place to live (or not live) with there being multiple gender identities? Who made you boss? And these people who "lost interest" seem very interested given how invested they seem in how other identify.
I think it would be worth the effort to make an opinion well informed and carefully considered. The impression you are giving is that you don't want to understand and based on that want it to all just go away which implies it bothers you. That might not be so but it is the impression you are giving.
People seem to think that because they don't understand something that it is either untrue or non-existent. This seems an odd way of thinking about things especially when little or no effort is made to understand.
The only impression I am giving is that I honestly believe that people can feel like the opposite gender trapped in the wrong body but that there's also a lot of attention seeking going on by others who see an opportunity to feel special because this is such a topical subject lately. Just take a look at anyone's facebook feed and tell me there's not a big part of the population who are starving for attention. Is there a reason I should't believe it is the same percentage of people in the trans community? People who want to take it even further to get some coverage somehow?
I'm afraid it is far more complex and nuanced than that.
Using the statement that "people attention seek on Facebook" as evidence that anything more than your simplistic view of gender identity is simply attention seeking is an outright ludicrous suggestion. I suppose the odd person might overstate or even incorrectly state their gender identity but I'll wager is far far less common than people hiding their non cis gender identity.
My only point is that this
looks a bit much to me, Wibble. That's all I'm saying. I just can't comprehend that there can be so many different genders. Maybe it has to do with my conservative upbringing but it's my opinion on this, nothing more.
Is this what you’re referencing?
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2016/...recognised-by-the-2016-australian-sex-survey/
Because a lot of them definitely seem to be different words for the same concept.
I don't think it is 35 different genders exactly as there is overlap and subsets of different gender identities. I can't personally understand what it feels like to be a cys hetero bloke as that is what I am.but that doesn't mean I cant imagine others have very different gender identities. I have only known 2 trans people, 1 my nephew, and it is a very hard thing to understand yourself much less reveal/explain to others.
Not that specifically but that sort of list. And yes, there is quite a bit of overlap and nuance in there. The point is not that there are 5, 10, 35 or 100 different genders but rather that gender identity is far more complex than most discussions admit.
I think a lot of it is down to the fact that our language tree seems to have developed around 2 gender pronouns. We really don’t have a way to describe, say, the fa’afafine.
Oh my, how i would piss people off by sharing my opinion about genders, i better stay out of this one, or all the special little snowflakes will have their feelings hurt. 
Oh my, how i would piss people off by sharing my opinion about genders, i better stay out of this one, or all the special little snowflakes will have their feelings hurt.
This comment is about as useful as the heat death of the Universe.
I think you're falling into the trap of vastly overestimating the percentage of people who are "starving for attention". Also, very often this particular perspective has been an indicator of general bigotry, and has for example been used against everything from homosexuality to women's suffrage. That definitely doesn't mean you're a bigot, but it should help you understand why you might get such a push-back on it.
English does have the gender-neutral third person singular "they", at least. But I do think we have to expect that in the future the English language is going to adapt to more generally accepted genders. I don't know when, but at some point. Not all of us might like it very much, but progress doesn't often care about individual people's feelings.
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35 genders
I know a trans person, and I call her a her because that’s what she’d like to be known as and it’s polite to do so. Most reasonable people would do this.
But if they wanted me to call them Xe or something like that I have no idea what I’d do. You can’t blame people for thinking half this shit is made up.
But if they wanted me to call them Xe or something like that I have no idea what I’d do. You can’t blame people for thinking half this shit is made up.
Thank you.
I think you'd find yourself politely calling them Xe, at least eventually. The reason I think that is because you say you call her "her" because that's what she'd like to be known as, not because "that's what she really is" or some other such argument. Reasonable people find their horizons being gradually expanded on such things, even if it's not really within their initial comfort zone.
Yeah maybe. It’s never come up, so who knows. I’d like to think if it meant that much to someone then I’d do it, but at the same time I get why a lot of people dismiss stuff like 76 genders. Is there literally none up to that point that would’ve done? But I guess I’m lucky enough to be happy as a bloke.
I think focusing on the "76 genders" thing is a bit like when people say that gay marriage is a slippery slope that leads to people marrying their dogs. By presenting a (presumed) obviously absurd situation as the logical conclusion, and shifting the conversation onto that, they give themselves the opportunity to more easily reject the original argument. I don't at all think that's what you're going, because you've at least somewhat accepted the non-standard naming convention of transsexuals (i. e. calling someone her who sees themselves as female), but it's a quite common tactic.
And nothing invalidates an argument more than when you have to resort to name calling!
People are trying to describe a significant element of their own identity in a few words. The question it opens is when/where does gender actually matter?
Most of the time it doesn't or shouldn't. It's seldom relevant in the workplace, or commerce, or in everyday life. Crudely, it's asking why do so many websites ask us to tick a box for M or F - why does it matter and why isn't there a box for "neither/not telling you/mind your own business". More tellingly it asks, why have that checkbox at all?
It matters as we look for a sexually compatible partner, as we get certain kinds of medical treatment. It matters in speech in as much as we should try to call people by the name/pronoun they choose, because that's just being respectful.
The question of when does gender (or birth sex) matter is more complex when it comes to some of the border subjects, and that's where the most legitimate (and heated) debate is taking place. Things like:
- women's prisons
- women's refuges
- women's (open) changing rooms and similar single sex spaces/activities
- women's sport
In those areas, blanket rules are less useful and the focus shifts to the individual. Questions like self-declaration, fluidity are making these arguments come to a head. Physical transformation (and sometimes birth sex) become relevant again. Which, whilst it might be a delicate and intensely personal question, is also one where wider society will have to work things out.
First you claim I vehemently protested being called transphobic by the likes of you, now it's that I'm trying to feel better about something I said. You're obsessed with making stuff up that I feel bad about
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All accurate descriptions for people who call others transphobes for stupid reasons don't you think?
why is anyone surprised that a man who hates cis women would also hates trans women
For the purposes of most general discussions (when we're not talking an about one individual), three should cover it: male, female, non-binary.
Especially since it quite literally is all made up.
"And on the fourth day: God made the demi-boys and the omnigenders".
Fair enough, I guess he had to create Clownfish on one of those days...
Now there's a stupid made up concept in that sentence before you mention anything about gender.
If you are refering to me then will the mod who sent me the warning ask him to quote the hateful things I've said about cis or transwomen? Or everything goes once you're not towing the libcafe line?
I genuinely don't understand what's there to get worked up about regarding transgenders. You think someone seeks attention? So don't give them the attention then, why are you getting worked up? Let them be. I honestly couldn't care less about all this stuff. I'll respect anyone's wishes, it's not that hard is it?
Do you actually talk like this in real life, or is it just on the internet? You realize you're not on Reddit, right? It's like you saw Trump's tweets and thought "yeah, that's a good look for me".
Oh my, how i would piss people off by sharing my opinion about genders, i better stay out of this one, or all the special little snowflakes will have their feelings hurt.
I'm all ears
The only place on earth the word libcafe exists is probably on this forum. Claiming I got it from a Trump tweet or reddit is just.... look I don't want to get another warning. There's a bunch of people who all post alike and call people names like they're on the same internet groupthink and it's not me, someone made a thread about them called 'libcafe'
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This is a good point and it's particularly important when it comes to potential allies tearing into one another. I have a similar reaction when it's a public figure (or even a poster) using an old-fashioned phrase - like Alan Hansen's remark about "coloured" players or a term like "half-caste". Nothing wrong with pointing out that it's archaic and to modern ears offensive - but any apology that follows should be accepted for just that, an apology that says they've heard that it's a problem and will avoid it in future.
The flipside is that hyperbole and deliberately using extreme examples or language is a long-time tactic of political debate with hundreds of years behind it. Language does matter and words do hurt people. When the group who get hurt are minorities or lack the money/political power to respond through the traditional media and institutions they look for another way. Social media acts as a megaphone in that situation. Click-bait headlines and click-bait quotes attract retweets and so do big names like Martina.
Somehow we need to learn to respect each other in all our diversity and words play a role.
Oi that's my word! I demand royalties.... Libcafe
In most (if not all cases) it is accepted. The problem here is that the apology doesn't always come. Some choose to double down and paint the offended as the problem. Others rail against PC gone mad and won't have anyone telling them what they can or can't say...
What people really need is to be a bit more empathetic and less self centered, imo. That would go a long way...
Thinking about it, it's so rare in fact (that an apology isn't accepted) that it baffles me why some find it hard to actually give one. Just apologize and move on...
It's implied in the bit you highlighted no?
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Oi that's my word! I demand royalties.... Libcafe
In most (if not all cases) it is accepted. The problem here is that the apology doesn't always come. Some choose to double down and paint the offended as the problem. Others rail against PC gone mad and won't have anyone telling them what they can or can't say...
What people really need is to be a bit more empathetic and less self centered, imo. That would go a long way...
Thinking about it, it's so rare in fact (that an apology isn't accepted) that it baffles me why some find it hard to actually give one. Just apologize and move on...
Doesn't that cut both ways though ? It's important to remember that the Transgender population is extremely small, & most of us would probably go a long time before we encountered anyone who is a Transgender person. So wouldn't you say they too have a responsibility to realize this & perhaps show a little bit more tolerance & understanding when people mistake their chosen pronoun or gender ?
it's not people making a mistake they have a problem with, it's people who do it on purpose and spread hateful messages and feck ever being tolerant to those cnuts
the average interaction where a trans person gets misgendered they just die a little inside, they're not throwing people off roof tops
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You're talking about the dregs of society whereas I was relating my point to decent people who make genuine mistakes when confronted with a transgender person. A bit like that young shop assistant on the video that went viral not so long ago. He certainly didn't deserve the aggressive abuse he got from that arsehole. Which one do you reckon has to make the apology there ?
neither it was a stupid thing that i hope both parties want to forget
Why are there only 2 gender options for my profile on redcafe? Some kind of medieval website we have here.