I tell people I will just let my boy be a boy. If it offends someone, joke's on them. It's just a phrase, go write me an angry letter.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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It isn't wrong. Raise your child to be polite, fair and reasonable and open minded, don't get bogged down with all everything else, a lot of the rest of it is all bullshit. My son wears what he chooses (surprisingly, trousers and hero t-shirts) and my daughter wears what she chooses (surprisingly skirts and my little pony t-shits).
They play with whatever toys they want and, lo and behold, my sons toys are more male orientated and my daughters toys are more female orientated. Not through indoctrination, just though their choices. I despair at all the rubbish that surrounds childrens upbringing these days.
I always bought really noisy toys for my nephews so that they would annoy the parents.
That's a very shallow understanding of socialization and society's role in the process. You're absolutely right that the goal should always be to raise a child to be polite, fair, reasonable and open minded, but if we go a little bit deeper there's obviously more to your children's choices than "just their choices". That doesn't mean their choices are wrong in any way, it just means your understanding of their choices is wrong.
I disagree. Those 4 qualities underpin everything that would make a good society. I'm not bogging my children down with anything further but nor am I closing down anything for them. If my son wants to play with more 'boy orientated' toys and wear trousers then I see absolutely no problem with that.
My children are 15 and 12. I go as deep as I feel necessary. I try and fill their lives with experiences and fun while guiding them to be all of the above and I'm very proud of what they are growing into. I have never had to answer any questions on race, gender, sexuality or disability. They 'get it' and see all of our differences as being part and parcel of the world we live in.
I keep 'society' well away from my childrens upbringing thanks. They can figure stuff out for themselves.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying you're raising them the wrong way, I'm saying that society plays a much larger role in their choices than you think it does. I obviously can't say whether or not you've influenced their choices, but it's reasonably likely you've done it unintentionally. Again, that doesn't make it wrong, but if we're trying to understand society we have to go a little deeper than the surface.
I'm sure they go to school, watch TV, go on the internet, have friends, and so on. You can't keep society away.
Unless you're raising them in a dark basement, in which case we have bigger problems than the desirability of gender-specific toys.
No nimic, I do understand totally how society 'guides' us all, not just children. But you have to be able to cut through all of that and do what you think is correct for their upbringing based on how you see them developing. No, we have not (intentionally) influenced their choices, probably not as much as their friends have, we're pretty open minded parents.
I don't, however, see a problem with children falling into male / female social pathways to a degree if that is what they want because that is what their friends are doing, I don't it as an automatically a bad thing. Obviously I'm not encouraging my daughter to be subservient to male influence or buying her toy irons and kitchens but nor am I steering her away from anything fluffy and pink if it what she is asking for.
It's got to be balanced. It's got to be fun for them. I think children turn into what they will turn into ultimately and as a parent you have to be able to keep up with them and the changes they go through. As long as those changes fall within the 4 points I made earlier then we're all good.
My son (15) for instance has changed massively over the last 12 months and turned into a very masculine young man. That's not society nor us as parents, that is his biology and physical and mental development. We've watched and enjoyed this process and he has begun to forge his own path and turn into the young man he will become.
Yes of course Siorac, I know that but that is a bigger issue and as a parent you have to be able to filter certain aspects of society is what II meant.
I was playing along with your joke
I agree completely with this. Girls and boys liking different things is completely okay. The problem is forbidding them to like certain things. And that goes both ways. Stay-at-home-mom shaming is a thing now. And that's ridiculous. Let girls be girls and boys be boys. Don't force them to, but don't forbid em either.
Tbf you would know since you've been editor of Viz magazine for the last five years.
Shit, Jips, I'm sorry because I know you wanted to keep your identity secret but tbh the world deserves to know that you're the brain behind the Lefty Fascists and Pedo Jim.
I've been chastised for getting my son chemistry stuff for his last birthday and my daughter painting and drawing stuff for hers because I was "playing to stereotypes" according to some loudmouth arse who barged into a conversation at work. Yeah, I did buy them those things because they're what THEY ASKED FOR. Also fails to realise that my daughter wanted the stuff to make pictures of giant robot Staffordshire Bull Terriers without arms slithering around like snakes eating people's feet.
But even if you were playing to stereotypes dude (and I’m not suggesting you were or even bothered if you were), that’s your choice and should remain so. The thought police shouldn’t get involved.
If Ms Pigeon had asked for, and been refused, a chemistry set then that twit might've had a point.
Depends to what extent you forbid them in my opinion.
I would want my child to like Man United and not Chelsea. You bet your ass I will try my very best to make that happen. That doesn't mean supporting Chelsea is wrong. I just don't wanna see it happen.
Of course if they still support Chelsea argh whatever.
She's not really "mine" so she wouldn't be Ms Pigeon.
Oh god, that sounds terrible and not at all what I mean.
What I mean to say is that we found her on the side of the road and she just followed us home.
Oh of course, if he shows signs of supporting Ajax I will disown him.
Blimey, there's never a dull moment in the Pigeon coop.
We've got a proper carpet now so it's more like a palace tbf
Well, it's a mars bar wrapper but who am I, the fashion police?
Ah come on lads its Gandhi
Manchester council urged to reject statue of 'anti-black racist' Gandhi
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cil-urged-reject-mahatma-gandhi-statue-racism
Manchester council urged to reject statue of 'anti-black racist' Gandhi
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cil-urged-reject-mahatma-gandhi-statue-racism
To be fair, Ghandi's always been a massive bellend in my Civilization games.Ah come on lads its Gandhi
Manchester council urged to reject statue of 'anti-black racist' Gandhi
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cil-urged-reject-mahatma-gandhi-statue-racism
Gandhi was a racist, castist and a sexual deviant (his neices...). He wrote some lovely letters to Hitler and all.
Nice guy though.
Nice guy though.
Did he nuke you too?
Peace lover my arse. Ghandi in Civ is basically what would happen if you combined Hitler, Atilla the Hun and Stalin in to one big Uber Cnut package.
Is he taking the piss
'It was an eye opening experience': Mayor of Redbridge goes blind to mark World Sight Day
https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/ne...3YpC5jMneoVLt8JgyT-11IMhjeKrH7eBziLKtYN7GfpOE
'It was an eye opening experience': Mayor of Redbridge goes blind to mark World Sight Day
https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/ne...3YpC5jMneoVLt8JgyT-11IMhjeKrH7eBziLKtYN7GfpOE
Supporting Chelsea is very wrong
Is there anyone who has played that game and not been nuked by him?
Transgender lobby forces sanitary towel-maker Always to ditch Venus logo from its products
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...forces-ditch-female-logo-sanitary-towels.html
Apologies for posting a Mail article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...forces-ditch-female-logo-sanitary-towels.html
Apologies for posting a Mail article
But many of Always’s female customers have responded angrily to the move and are vowing to switch to other sanitary products.
Leading feminist campaigner Julie Bindel told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Removing the female symbol from sanitary towel packaging is basically denying the existence of women.
‘We’re now moving towards the total elimination of women’s biology. The women’s symbol has been used by feminists for decades. This is pure cowardice and virtue signalling from these big corporate brands who are capitulating to the trans agenda.’
Women on social media sites also aired their fury at the decision by P&G.
Maya Forstater, a women’s rights advocate who lost her job as a think tank tax expert for saying transgender women are not women, tweeted: ‘The venus sign in biology is used to represent the female sex (you know, the ONLY people who will ever need these products). It does not represent gender identity.’
Another objector, Lizzi Watson, said: ‘Biological women should just boycott the brand, then they might realise real women have feelings too, which they have somehow ignored.’
A third woman tweeted: ‘Guess I will also be boycotting @always for throwing females, the ONLY sex that menstruates regardless of clothes or other superficial gender expressions, under the bus.’
These are the kind of people that call others snowflakes.
Leading feminist campaigner Julie Bindel told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Removing the female symbol from sanitary towel packaging is basically denying the existence of women.
‘We’re now moving towards the total elimination of women’s biology. The women’s symbol has been used by feminists for decades. This is pure cowardice and virtue signalling from these big corporate brands who are capitulating to the trans agenda.’
Women on social media sites also aired their fury at the decision by P&G.
Maya Forstater, a women’s rights advocate who lost her job as a think tank tax expert for saying transgender women are not women, tweeted: ‘The venus sign in biology is used to represent the female sex (you know, the ONLY people who will ever need these products). It does not represent gender identity.’
Another objector, Lizzi Watson, said: ‘Biological women should just boycott the brand, then they might realise real women have feelings too, which they have somehow ignored.’
A third woman tweeted: ‘Guess I will also be boycotting @always for throwing females, the ONLY sex that menstruates regardless of clothes or other superficial gender expressions, under the bus.’
These are the kind of people that call others snowflakes.
Imagine being so privileged that a venus logo makes you feel oppressed. There are real problems in this world and this was some people’s top priority.
Throwing women under the bus? What?
These are the kind of people that call others snowflakes.
You think feminist campaigners are using the term snowflakes?
These are terfs.
I dunno what they are or call themselves, just saying that those getting all offended because they removed the symbol from the packaging most likely talk about others getting offended easily.
These are feminists getting annoyed at the change, so I highly doubt they're the kind of people who talk about other people getting offended easily.
"Transgender lobby'? Why were they so offended by a venus sign anyway? Who cares?
What's the perceived overlap between the 'transgender lobby' and the 'PC brigade'?
I guess trans stuff comes under the umbrella of PC for whatever reason.
I've never been nuked by Gandhi. Although I always play as Gandhi because the war elephants are op early in the game.
It seems like literally one person contacted Always, who then said they had listened to the feedback. The only people appearing offended are the women on the other "side".
Well that first one sure likes using the word snowflake
