No, I didn't see this goal flurry coming, I also didn't call him 'shit' either. There's a whole world in between, and you chose to crap all over one of our most committed players who was actually playing reasonably well at the time. Will this run last? Who knows, but the way this forum rounds on our own players is bloody awful.
Hating Lingard
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Lingard has frequently had games in which he was shit. In other, less colourful words, running around doing not very much. He's always had his qualities: namely movement and work rate. However, this had often been overshadowed by rank finishing, anonymous matches or, in some cases, some absolutely terrible performances that weren't up to scratch.
Of course, calling Lingard a 'Championship player' is complete nonsense. Halfwits like that are best ignored entirely - which can admittedly be difficult when they're usually polluting some other player thread.
I'm all for giving our players an easier time. I'm more positive on that front than most. But Lingard's recent form isn't going to convince here or there. Similarity, a shitty season from Herrera, or Smalling, or whoever, doesn't change much for me either. I'd just give it a bit more time before we rush around making people look foolish.
Lingard has frequently had games in which he was shit. In other, less colourful words, running around doing not very much. He's always had his qualities: namely movement and work rate. However, this had often been overshadowed by rank finishing, anonymous matches or, in some cases, some absolutely terrible performances that weren't up to scratch.
Of course, calling Lingard a 'Championship player' is complete nonsense. Halfwits like that are best ignored entirely - which can admittedly be difficult when they're usually polluting some other player thread.
I'm all for giving our players an easier time. I'm more positive on that front than most. But Lingard's recent form isn't going to convince here or there. Similarity, a shitty season from Herrera, or Smalling, or whoever, doesn't change much for me either. I'd just give it a bit more time before we rush around making people look foolish.
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Btw who is that on the left? Looks to be Welbeck because of the strip colours, but correct me if wrong.What?
I like both lingard and rashford. If you can't see that he was a proper player two months ago then you are not very good at player analysis. Then best keep your opinion to yourself if that's the case to avoid promoting unnecessary negativity amongst united fans
Being British and coming through the academy is always going to mean he'll be shown less patience from the majority of fans. I'm really glad to see things are going well for him and hopefully he keeps improving, keeps producing, and can stay focused if/when things don't go as well.
I've seen it for years. Misread your post ignore me I
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I like both lingard and rashford. If you can't see that he was a proper player two months ago then you are not very good at player analysis. Then best keep your opinion to yourself if that's the case to avoid promoting unnecessary negativity amongst united fans
Stay consistent Jesse and keep working.
I have to disagree with your about the Being British and less patience comment. Rooney has been shit for years and in particular at major tournament level, both the press and fan base have been supporting him regardless. I recall I can only see some criticism of Rooney in past 2 seasons. Sterling has been playing like shit for years until this year but how often have you seen him being criticised. Then there are Walcott, Wilshere, Barkeley.....
As far as negative criticism from Utd fan, I don't see much on Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, until they stop running. Unfortunately I have seen very little patience on Cleverley, I even saw fan partioning for England not to select him on National duty. Lingard was closed to that level of crowd criticism for reason that I can never understand. I can understand the situation of Adebayour or soon-to-be Sanchez who switch side, but I really can't understand why someone is picking on current players who have been loyal and dedicated to the club.
I absolutely stand by what I thought of Lingard at the time. He's been mediocre at best for most of his career here.
These past few weeks he's been fantastic, however, and I hope he keeps it up.
That personal thing is something I will never understand and the fact that people without any connection with the club get much more leeway. Personally thought that level of abuse that Jonny Evans got was also embarrassing, but that's for another topic I suppose.
Btw. while you mentioned it. Remember those games against Swansea and Burton Albion before. There wasn't so much praise, but he did stand out in such a manner that few posters implied immediately that it's quite clear he is not Championship level player based on those performances.
This. I have never quite understood the extreme abuses directed against Cleverly and Evans (and also Welbeck). Because they were local lads? Is it some perversion at work here? Some guys out here tried desperately to make a Cleverly out of Lingard, but didn't succeed, thank god.
This whole digging posts up thing that happens on here is as cringeworthy as anything. People are allowed to have opinions on what they're seeing at the time, we see these players play once every week for the majority of the time. It happens so often and it comes across as a bit pathetic.
Yeah Lingard hasn't been consistently effective until recently, but at the moment everythings coming off for him. Long may it continue.
I really liked him as a kid and thought he'd be a great player, then had serious doubts, and wondered why he's still around, now glad he is, but still not 100% sure about him.
What does he have to do to convince? Keep doing what he's doing.
I really liked him as a kid and thought he'd be a great player, then had serious doubts, and wondered why he's still around, now glad he is, but still not 100% sure about him.
What does he have to do to convince? Keep doing what he's doing.
What’s that meant to mean?
FWIW I created this thread not because I saw him scoring at the current rate but because I saw a good player being massively underrated by his own fans and getting absolute dogs abuse because some of those fans couldn’t see it. “Stealing a living” and “championship player” being bandied around like it was fact and more people joining in on it with very little support for Lingard. That really irritated me because it was complete utter bullshit. Hence why I created the thread and got mocked for it. Pie on faces when he started knocking worldies in!
Well done Jesse! Tell Barca to feck off when they come sniffing around
He's basically proving everyone, me included, wrong and it's brilliant to see. I hope he continues in his upward trajectory and seals his place in the team. Nothing better than seeing a home grown talent become a mainstay in the team because they deserve it.
Yes, exactly. I don't mind people criticizing Lingard's performances or saying he's not 'United level' or wanting him sold in the summer. Those are all opinions that can be held legitimately. The abuse and the over the top hyperbole was what was disturbing, especially directed at an Academy product.That personal thing is something I will never understand and the fact that people without any connection with the club get much more leeway. Personally thought that level of abuse that Jonny Evans got was also embarrassing, but that's for another topic I suppose.
Btw. while you mentioned it. Remember those games against Swansea and Burton Albion before. There wasn't so much praise, but he did stand out in such a manner that few posters implied immediately that it's quite clear he is not Championship level player based on those performances.
Aye even if he hadn't gone on this run of goals your post would have been just as valid. This streak just makes it impossible for the fools to ignore his current ability and potential.
I don't think some people understand just how much he's improved. There's no point pretending this level he's playing at now was the norm before, because it wasn't. He's always had good movement and workrate but he was often extremely poor on the ball. To be honest, him playing as a winger never helped his cause as he's just not suited to that role.
Anyhow, that's the past now. He's seriously improved his work on the ball and his consistency. Playing in a far more natural position has helped but he's also a far better footballer this season. It's great to see and I genuinely enjoy watching him now. Great stuff.
Anyhow, that's the past now. He's seriously improved his work on the ball and his consistency. Playing in a far more natural position has helped but he's also a far better footballer this season. It's great to see and I genuinely enjoy watching him now. Great stuff.
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Absolutely. Seeing things like he is not a material for our first team or pointing at his lack of end product was never a problem. Seeing him being slated at every opportunity and before the match even started was something else. He was basically being singled out as one of the reason for our failures (how can you win anything with him in the squad).
Anyway, at least we can all agree that we're happy with him this season. Wouldn't be a bad thing if people, though, could judge a player with little more patience and don't go over the top, like Rashford now for example.
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So has every player. Again, there's a world of difference between saying a playing isn't quite good enough for us and calling him 'shit,' and saying he 'largely does sod all' - you might as well have called him a championship player. It's like there's some award on the Cafe for being the most pessimistic about certain players.
Of course people are allowed to have opinions on what they're seeing. The opening post in the thread was GB explaining why he thought the negativity towards Lingard was overblown - we were routinely seeing stuff like "stealing a living" through "championship level" to "he's shit" - there was a reason why Lingard was in the squad and why United renewed his contract.
The treatment Lingard was getting seemed to have gone past reasoned opinion into the realms of hate. The reaction to people saying anything positive about Lingard was that they were supporting mediocrity "because he's local", with that local phrase added as if there's something wrong with fans wanting local players who'd come through the academy to succeed, or at least be given a chance to succeed.
We're not talking about dredging up stuff from the archives, it's from the last month or so. It's not even the reasoned argument about why another player might serve us better that's causing amusement, it's the way people jumped on another chance to denounce him as useless, and the wonderful irony that they did it just as he was going to make his ability really hard to ignore.
You're even crapper.
You’re crappest, infinity!
My arse!!!
Re Lingard I stand by my earlier comments, there is no denying he was shite. Now he is good but is it a blip or can he be consistently good?
I was at the game last night and was thinking previous seasons Lingard has shown the odd flash of united quality but this season you have to say he has been the united class of player and can be seen as an example to the rest of the team!
It did get bad. Some people brought him up for no reason in unrelated threads just to have a go. Look at this one https://www.redcafe.net/threads/kuy...-suarez-evra-right-here.429104/#post-20905839
A thread about Kuyt, no one mentions Lingard and then all of a sudden:
Can't for the life of me work out why Lingard gets a mention here but hey ho.
A thread about Kuyt, no one mentions Lingard and then all of a sudden:
Can't for the life of me work out why Lingard gets a mention here but hey ho.
Hey ho Shamwoe.
It's funny seeing people try to claim that everyone was on Jesses back. No we weren't, a good few of us were calling you out for being knee jerk blinkered armchair managers. Own your feckwittery... Credit to those that own up to being wrong without having to blame someone or something.
Thing is, it'll happen again with another player at another time because people are knee jerk, think they know more than the staff and are stubborn as feck.
Thing is, it'll happen again with another player at another time because people are knee jerk, think they know more than the staff and are stubborn as feck.
It's already happening. Just check out the Rashford thread.
I think I'll give it a miss
Lingard’s main drawback was lack of output. His movement, commitment and work rate was always very good. He added that to his game and now he seems very good.
He keeps this up he's definitely in line to be our player of the season. Great turnaround for him and puts the doubters to shame (myself included).
Zlatans? What about Lingard's?
No doubt he is on a good scoring run and deservedly should be starting at the moment.
I for one have been critical of him since he' been around the first team. I always found him frustrating to watch thinking he was too safe in his general play often with his back to goal with regular side and back passing. For me in the past his ability to score spectacular goals often masked over his general play in the match.
In this rich run of form he reminds me of a Frank Lampard who I used to think often did nothing during game but would end up popping up scoring the winner or getting the crucial break through goal against the defensively minded sides.
This surprisingly swung the tv pundits choice for man of the match and star men in the laughable daily rags player ratings.
I for one have been critical of him since he' been around the first team. I always found him frustrating to watch thinking he was too safe in his general play often with his back to goal with regular side and back passing. For me in the past his ability to score spectacular goals often masked over his general play in the match.
In this rich run of form he reminds me of a Frank Lampard who I used to think often did nothing during game but would end up popping up scoring the winner or getting the crucial break through goal against the defensively minded sides.
This surprisingly swung the tv pundits choice for man of the match and star men in the laughable daily rags player ratings.
When Lingard is shite, which he was a lot, he really would stand out in a bad way. Other players could be as bad but would maybe get away with it a little easier.
Great to see him doing so well now, especially since Mkhi has lost all his confidence.
Great to see him doing so well now, especially since Mkhi has lost all his confidence.
The goals he's scored have been absolutely amazing. A lot of players would be lucky to score a goal like that in their entire career, I believe he is world class after two worldies in a month.
Rubbish, I'd even say that's your perception of it.
I think it was obvious from a very young age Lingard was potentially a special talent, i'm not sure what those that have ever doubted him were actually watching.