Why not just give him the season off?
How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?
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Why not just give him the season off?
Give him a sex change and send him to Iran
Play him at right back instead of Valencia
It's high time he gets dropped to the bench. I am waiting to see when LVG will take that call. Surely not against Arsenal, that would mean a psychological boost to the opposition.
This reminds me the complaints about Giggs who was ... "past it", ... ten years before he actually retired! For how long did that one go? For some people it was two or three years of complaining, I think!
I am sure that LVG is smart enough to keep playing Rooney. And I am sure that LVG wants to have Rooney break the all-time scoring record during his own reign!
I am sure that LVG is smart enough to keep playing Rooney. And I am sure that LVG wants to have Rooney break the all-time scoring record during his own reign!
As the old cliche goes, our Wayne needs 5-6 games to get into the (match) rhythm.
Maybe as he gets older, he'll need 10-15 games to get into it.
It just takes him longer to get it up and going, the older he gets.
His new normal.
Maybe as he gets older, he'll need 10-15 games to get into it.
It just takes him longer to get it up and going, the older he gets.
His new normal.
He wouldn't be my first choice - but he is an option.
We can drop them both and they would have so much fun together. Best solution in my opinion.
That's my line of thinking: Rooney has this season to save his United career, and if he's not up to it, will be sold, as swiftly as possible, in the summer.
We're top of the league and slowly doing better as a team - LVG is not going to want to rock the boat and unsettle others by getting into it with Rooney and the English media, not because he fears doing so, but because from a tactical and political point of view, it'd be a stupid move with the potential to cause more grief than anything else.
We need stability and harmony, not disruption and a back and forth with Rooney's camp for more than half a season.
I don't think LVG worries about losing the dressing room, per se, but to rock the boat now, just as things are starting to come together for us as a team, would actually be poor management. The time where Rooney could be dropped without the media getting on to us is when/if we're struggling and losing games. If LVG were to entertain dropping Rooney, it should be at a time when he holds all the aces over the player and media so that it causes as little disruption to us as possible.
We already know how Rooney reacts to being dropped, and I think the political campaign from his agent would be at it's absolute worst as a wounded and desperate animal is the most dangerous kind. We simply don't need the headache whilst we're winning.
I also think LVG still holds hope of Rooney playing himself into form and having this issue resolve itself organically with anything negative being the contingency should all else fail.
Agree on all counts.
There's a lot of nonsense in this post to be honest. Rooney has obviously declined as a player. The question is whether this decline is temporary or permanent. He needs to spend some time on the bench and fight his way back into the team. I think the whole undroppable captain angle from LVG is counter productive. All this said, some of the criticism he gets is unmerited and reactionary.
Firstly, you say we lost control in the last 25 mins because we had two midfielders on yellows, but BFS wasn't on the field for the last 20 mins. Secondly, Rooney didn't play well at all, but his work rate was excellent as it always is. He closed down opponents constantly, and tracked back over and over again. His block in front of goal saved an almost certain equalizer. If anything one can criticize Rooney for playing too deep, but not for not offering midfield protection. I know of very few no.10's who offer as much work rate and defensive contribution as Rooney.
The problem is you cant rest/drop him as he is the type that needs to be playing to maintain his match fitness.
His biggest problem is his first touch. Perhaps some super glue on his left boot would help?
Seeing as he's doing feck all while being match fit, I don't see that as an issue.
There is a simple solution. Herrera as the #10.
Also, to all those wanting to sell him, I think that would be a real shame. The days of him being a guaranteed starter are rapidly dwindling, but you can see he is still trying very hard and is obviously massively frustrated by his own form.
I for one am not ready to give up on him. Find me another player who works as hard, and is willing to play in almost any position. In a pinch you can put him in holding midfield, on the wing, as well as leading the line, in addition to his preferred no.10 position.
We have a very young team and the value of having experience in the squad is vastly under rated. People are just too trigger happy to get shot of him. He still has a lot to offer the football club, albeit not in a starring role. Ideal scenario is that we sign a world class no.10 for next season.
I for one am not ready to give up on him. Find me another player who works as hard, and is willing to play in almost any position. In a pinch you can put him in holding midfield, on the wing, as well as leading the line, in addition to his preferred no.10 position.
We have a very young team and the value of having experience in the squad is vastly under rated. People are just too trigger happy to get shot of him. He still has a lot to offer the football club, albeit not in a starring role. Ideal scenario is that we sign a world class no.10 for next season.
I think there's absolutely zero chance of van Gaal dropping him at any point. Ferguson had the courage to do it and he didn't care, van Gaal has his philosophy and Rooney is his captain, he will be in the team regardless of form. Playing with him is virtually an equivalent of playing with 10 men these days but it's not important.
Explain how Rooney has been contributing this season.
Also I seriously doubt Van Gaal cares whether Rooney breaks the record. He's probably more concerned about being successful and keeping his job.
His first touch always was the first thing that went when he's not in good form. Yesterday it wasn't that bad, he wasn't disruptive with his lack of form. He misses a sitter, but that can always happen to any one and he was part of a well playing team until the second goal.
With the lack of depth in the squad, his spirit, his workrate and appearantly his leadership and the acceptance of it by the other players, I don't think there's a need for dramatic decisions. I think the best thing LvG can do is to let the hierarchy in the squad develop naturally from the current situation that he is the captain and will start. He will probably get subbed and rested once in a while, and another captain will emerge, or Rooney will get his form back.[/QUOTE]
I would be fine with this if he were willing to start on the bench some games and get into form with sub appearances. As it stands, the Rooney issue has a good chance of derailing our season. No single player should be able to do that. I'd continue to play him for now, but if he's still like this after the international break some tough decisions need to be made.
I read something about Ronaldo praising Rooney too. I suppose they don't watch football as much as we do. Which is no surprise, if I had so much money I wouldn't spend so much time in front of my PC either.Beckham was also asked who he most enjoys watching in the competition and this time, all of his suggestions are involved.
Becks: "On the England side, I think I'd have to say Wazza. Wayne is playing so well for United and he's had a good start to the season so we'll see."
bless you lad
Depay in the middle is the worst possible option, all of Herrera, Mata, Pereira are better than him in that role.
How about we switch to 4-3-3 (pointing backwards) , a formation that suits us the most? Unfortunately, Occam's razor is not really van Gaals thing.
How to deal with him? best bet would've been to sell him when fergie left.
Seen as though we're stuck with him though just bench him and play herrera where roomey plays he is 100x more effective in everyway. When rooney plays we might aswell be playing with 10 men for all he contributes.
Seen as though we're stuck with him though just bench him and play herrera where roomey plays he is 100x more effective in everyway. When rooney plays we might aswell be playing with 10 men for all he contributes.
if lvg drops him he will never be match fit again , its a catch 22. play him and hope for the best
"Speed dial Leverkusen... ask them if they want Rooney as well"
"Cancel dinner date with Rooney - can't score in a brothel"
"Feck this... Im going back to my art"
This should have its own thread
Agree mostly, but I don't understand why LVG can't sub him in games where he is playing poorly. I understand not dropping him and rocking the boat, but it is an obvious solution to play him for 60 - 75 minutes before letting Hererra/ Perierra/ Mata/ Fellaini play there for a bit. It will keep the others around the first XI, and Rooney will realize he needs to pull up his socks to keep LVG happy.
this is like the end of old yeller, except instead of the dog being taken out the back and shot, it is crowned king of the house and is free to piss and shit on any rug it sees fit.
I suppose that comes down to the job brief on the other side of the ball. Rooney put in a lot of defensive graft last night right until the end of the game, and whilst his attacking play was not becoming of a #10, he really helped out whilst we were under the cosh. None of the players you mentioned can do that kind of defensive shift, either by design (Mata, weak, low stamina etc. ; Pereira inexperienced and out of his depth) or just because they haven't the ability to be switched on defensively frequently enough, which I think applies to both Herrera and Fellaini.
In the attacking sense, Mata is looking the part lately, so could have the #10, but there's no way he gets the blocks on that Rooney did, and LVG wouldn't like that. Herrara seems to be earmarked to come on for Mata or a deeper midfielder, so there's no overlap with Rooney there, either.
If LVG really wanted to pressure Rooney for his position, he would've brought a #10 in over the summer who matches his requirements for the role. I honestly think what we have here isn't to LVG's liking for the position with or without Rooney, so he'd rather put his eggs in the basket of Rooney getting better than giving someone else the role.
i'm not a poster saying he's past it. But i think a clear message needs to be sent to show there will be consequences for playing shit. Knowing Rooney he'll come back fitter and stronger with a point to prove.
He probably wrote something like "Martial shall work on his last pass" ...
Yep, that's exactly right mate, with you on this. Rooney is a national icon, the biggest name in the league, he's our greatest, most recognizable current player, and the biggest commercial attraction, he's been at United since he was 18, he's the biggest power broker in the dressing room, he's on the verse of breaking the club's all time goal-scoring record so there will be a huge sympathetic backlash, etc etc. Even if all those factors wren't at play, in a vacuum, Van Gaal being a pragmatic man is not going to mess with a good situation (in terms of where the team is heading) entering just his second season at the club, and risk what he's trying to build.
The collective weight of the media will immediately be on Van Gaal's back (they don't even like him that much to begin with), and the magnifying glass will be solely on the Van Gaal-Rooney narrative, so there's a massive chance of things blowing escalating if the results don't match up once he's dropped. He can handle the criticism somewhat, but we really don't need that distraction at this moment in time to hinder the team's chemistry and development. Summertime, when there's no club football being played, we can ride the storm a bit, especially with the whole EURO focus. Rather do what Mourinho did with Lampard, than what Brendan did with Gerrard and deal with the fallout in-season.
Also, a bit more context to the Van Gaal dropping captains like Van Bommel, or falling out with players like Riquelme and Toni argument - there's a consistent theme will almost all of them without exception. eg. Van Bommel had been at Bayern for just 3 seasons prior to Van Gaal's appointment, and he was Dutch. He might have been the formal captain, but the most influential players were Schweinsteiger and Lahm, those two were the real heart of the team. Stripping Van Bommell off his captaincy was analogous to moving Van Persie on. Great contributor to the club, but at the end of the day he was an outsider despite landing the 20th, his time was up, and he had to go. Minimal fuss in the media, goodbye Robin. Wayne Rooney, meanwhile, is a totally different proposition. For his and the team's sake I hope he improves soon.
Solving rooney is easy , bench him and let ed worry about his salary. We're paying him anyway, at least being dropped won't hurt our chance in winning the game.
How to deal with the backlash of dropping rooney is the question
How to deal with the backlash of dropping rooney is the question
And play Rooney where? Who is to say that he will want to sit on the bench?
Perhaps not reasonably but off the top of my head, Swansea away, his awful pass led to us getting caught high up and Swansea going straight down the other end and scoring. Even last night his terrible pass led to needless pressure in which both our midfielders got booked within 2 minutes.
So he's not only causing problems going forward, he's hurting us defensively as well. The worry isn't so much that he'll cost us the odd game here and there rather, I'm wondering what this team could achieve this season, trophy-wise, if we had a quality player in that 10 role, with the space Martial now creates, instead of him. And how much better we'd look/play/finish in the table.
We're stuck with him unfortunately. Moyes really shit the bed when he gave him that contract. A five and a half year millstone around our neck. At the end of this season he will still have three years to run on his contract, and I can't see anyone willing to match his salary in Europe. MLS would be a good proposition but Beckham's Miami franchise is still at least a year or two away from fruition. I mean seriously, who the hell is going to be in for him? Even if we pay out the rest of his contract and let him go on a free, no sane club will give him the wages he'll want.
I'd love for us to sell him, and I've been pretty impassioned in my critique of Rooney since 2009 at least, but we have to be realistic too and come to terms with the fact that we are essentially buggered because of the contract that Moyes gave him.
I'd love for us to sell him, and I've been pretty impassioned in my critique of Rooney since 2009 at least, but we have to be realistic too and come to terms with the fact that we are essentially buggered because of the contract that Moyes gave him.
At least it has led to some classic lines on the caf..one can only laugh
Yeah that was my point
Completely different situations. Rooney is club captain and has been here for over a decade, so obviously he would get more time to regain form.
Falcao was a loanee coming off a very bad injury. Rooney has had bad periods of form in the past, has he came through them by playing or by being dropped?
Don't think that should be particularly relevant. So what if he is club captain?. He is club captain simply because LVG said, 'you are club captain'. Van Gaal has been here just over a year, and Rooney would struggle to have a claim that he has been in his top 5 performers since he has been here. That is what should matter. Herrera, for example, is probably in that top 5. So what message is it sending out to him that regardless of better performances, you cannot play ahead of Rooney. Because he is the 'captain'.
Yes, Falcao was a loanee, but he was also a better striker than Rooney before his troubles I'd say - so the most important thing should be that he is at his best. He was a loanee, but could have been signed easily if we wanted to.
Every player has had bad periods of form in the past, it is not a signature thing of Wayne Rooney. That he has come through them by playing is because he has always been played. He has never been dropped regardless of his form - so of course any return to form would have been following a run of games.
The issue is, the 'good form' that he returned to, was last seen 4 or 5 years ago. Any run of 'good form' he has had in the last 4 years, has not been good to an extent that our team cannot do without it at the expense of any other player.
At what stage would you accept that he is finished? How much longer does he have to perform like this? Even if he isn't finished, that's tough, we need points on a week to week basis, and Rooney is of no use at the moment. We have other players for a reason. Must his leg be broken before he doesn't play?
Like any old racehorse he needs to be taken out to a quiet field with a bolt to the head, no point studding him for future stallions.
Said this last season but we should stick him on the right where he can at least service the team with his hard work, then move Mata more central.
He has a great record against Arsenal, scored his first league goal against them and I think they are team he has scored most against?
You think Giggs is the reason why Rooney plays every game?