Totally agree. It's all a bit premature as we are only in June but Ronaldo not only bagged loads of goals but often they would be game winners or the one that sparked a fightback. That extra something special will be missed, even if others step up and cover the goal totals. As a result, as you say, I can see a lot of matchday meltdowns......
If we only sign Valencia...
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Totally agree. It's all a bit premature as we are only in June but Ronaldo not only bagged loads of goals but often they would be game winners or the one that sparked a fightback. That extra something special will be missed, even if others step up and cover the goal totals. As a result, as you say, I can see a lot of matchday meltdowns......
My money is on Fergie waiting a year to get Benzema if he has to. Rather than signing any other forward.
that issue alone wouldn't be as much of a concern, but when you add up that Chelsea were missing Essien for a decent chunk of their season they'll be even stronger coming into this season with Ancelotti and a fully fit squad, Liverpool were dominate and closer to the title that they have been in a VERY LONG time and I would expect Torres to regain the form that we saw in his first season in addition to whatever the fat Spanish waiter adds to his squad, and we don't know how much time we'll have left with SAF. Not to mention who knows what Wenger and L'Arse are capable of. It is a bit worrisome, but we have the whole summer and then some to see how things turn out for United in terms of adding players.
just to be pinicity, it was 4.
You are being bit harsh on Tevez there.
This season wasn't great by a long stretch, but he did fairly decent in his first year. IMO.
am i being harsh though? he doesn't have a great touch and he didnt score a lot of goals
Maybe not, but his first season wasn't that bad. He scored the goals we needed, and contributed to some fantastic attacking football IMO. With some very good link up play with Roo and Ron.
If anything, I thought you were quite kind to him.
I never really understood all the criticism about his touch, always thought it was more to do with his style rather than his ability. He had a good first touch when he wasn't running around like a maniac, it's considerably more difficult when you are running about full pelt, and that's the case for everyone.
Guys we have to relax.....do you really think we will buy only valencia with 100 million available from the transfer kitty?
we shall see next season...
I agree, I mean his first touch wasn't anything special but the ball didn't exactly bounce off him either as some would suggest.
Some great points Amir.
I don't think you can ever get the same experience and confidence playing for the reserves. I reckon his potential will be speeded up if he gets to play for the first team at least a minimum of 15/20 games.
It's such a widespread opinion though, which makes it that much harder to understand.
It's not just a few people who don't think Tevez is any good, it's said by loads of people.
I dunno, I think his first touch is good and he'll show everyone he's a very good player next year.
It will be next to impossible to sign a top class striker that will be willing to sit on the bench. It is obvious that Sir Alex will start Rooney and Berbatov. This formula chased Tevez out of town.
Ya I know there are 60 odd games at United but players' feelings get hurt when they are nailed to the bench after scoring some goals or on the bench for a huge game.
We will sign either a young starlet who will be happy to play third striker, or a veteran who will be happy to play for United in any capacity. I really thought this player would be Michael Owen but it sounds like he may go to Hull. Signing Owen on a pay as you play deal would be fantastic. Imagine Owen coming on in the 65 minute when we are a goal down. He always seems to have a goal in him and is a better finisher than Rooney and Berbatov. His record speaks for itself but unfortunately so does his injury record. He would be a risk but the price could be right.
And to answer the question if we only sign Valencia I wouldnt be disapointed at all because I love this team even without Ronaldo and Tevez.
Ya I know there are 60 odd games at United but players' feelings get hurt when they are nailed to the bench after scoring some goals or on the bench for a huge game.
We will sign either a young starlet who will be happy to play third striker, or a veteran who will be happy to play for United in any capacity. I really thought this player would be Michael Owen but it sounds like he may go to Hull. Signing Owen on a pay as you play deal would be fantastic. Imagine Owen coming on in the 65 minute when we are a goal down. He always seems to have a goal in him and is a better finisher than Rooney and Berbatov. His record speaks for itself but unfortunately so does his injury record. He would be a risk but the price could be right.
And to answer the question if we only sign Valencia I wouldnt be disapointed at all because I love this team even without Ronaldo and Tevez.
I'd honestly worry if Fergie splashed £17M on Valencia.
I distinctly remember his first touch being pretty bad in his first half dozen games for United. I just put it down to nerves or trying too hard to impress.
I agree. But I think he might thrive at a smaller club like City. We will see. Tbh opinions spread, and if you are looking at him and every touch he makes I'm sure he does lose the ball every now and then, but his first touch IMO isn't shocking at all.
Correct. His touch is no where near as bad as some on here claim.
There were a fair few times when his touch appeared to let him down. He looked clumsy, and that's not exactly because he was running like coyote.
You are right. The level at the reserves is so low it can't get a player very far, and he will have to play at a higher level to test and improve himself. But at 18 you'd like to give him chances rather then put pressure on him as someone our success may depend on.
There's no way of telling how things will go next season - Another good League Cup run, another good FA Cup run, and so on - but chances are that even if we get a third striker, we'll still be able to give Welbeck a good amount of games. Just like we decided Foster and PIG get the cup matches, Welbeck can be the same.
He was only elevated to the first team after the season started, I think, and next season he'll start it there, so that's already progress. If we can give him that, and a decent amount of matches, that should do well for his progress, and we'll see where we stand in a years time.
Agree with this. I can't understand how so many people have re-written history as far as Tevez is concerned. The season before last he was excellent, and even last year he provided some great moments. I was at the Wigan game in May, and the difference he made when he came on as a substitute was huge. The whole side noticeably came to life at that point as Tevez generated so much energy, and he put the icing on the cake with that outrageous flick to equalise.
It continues to bemuse me that people are still overrating him ridiculously, very ordinary player borderline top 4.
Sir Alex wouldn't spend £25m on a very ordinary player.
Sign Valencia keep Campbell.
My abiding memory of his first-touch is the ball coming into him with his back to goal and bouncing up around waist height, where he would waste another two or three touches getting the ball back under control, while he wrestled with his marker. Reminded me a lot of Alan Smith in this regard.
Sometimes his touch was just fine but for a top class striker you expect the first touch to be more or less perfect every time.
We had the makings of a fantastic squad. Now minus Ronaldo and Tevez, we have a squad that needs more attention. We are two players down, and two very good players at that. Of course only Valencia would not be enough. We are certainly weekening the squad. No doubt about it.
Yes, Valencia is not a replacement for Ronaldo, but when it comes to basic squad size and quality, we would be two players down. You need a strong squad to compete in both Europe and at home. Clubs llike Liverpool have found this out on a regular basis. We would have weakened our squad, the squad that has had a phenominal two seasons at home and in Europe, yet not strengthened properly at all.
Some said the final last season showed us we needed a new midfielder, as our 4 didnt touch the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. Whilst I didnt agree with that entirely, I did feel we needed an new addition this summer. Well now we have also lost Ronaldo and Tevez. Scholes and Giggs will play fewer and fewer games.
We are not in the shit, but believe me we need more than just bloody Valencia.
Yes, Valencia is not a replacement for Ronaldo, but when it comes to basic squad size and quality, we would be two players down. You need a strong squad to compete in both Europe and at home. Clubs llike Liverpool have found this out on a regular basis. We would have weakened our squad, the squad that has had a phenominal two seasons at home and in Europe, yet not strengthened properly at all.
Some said the final last season showed us we needed a new midfielder, as our 4 didnt touch the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. Whilst I didnt agree with that entirely, I did feel we needed an new addition this summer. Well now we have also lost Ronaldo and Tevez. Scholes and Giggs will play fewer and fewer games.
We are not in the shit, but believe me we need more than just bloody Valencia.
Yeah. You're talking 20 if you're counting Club World Cup goals.
He is capable of hitting 25. Really that should be what he is aiming at.
Berbatov hit 23 two seasons in succession at Spurs. He hit 14 for us last season. I'd say he should be aiming for at least 10 more.
Nah I'm not sure I agree with that.
Drogba and Adebayor are two examples of players that people call top class but don't have particularly good first touches. Sometimes they bring it out of the air beautifully but sometimes it just bounces off them. Eto'o's first touch is no better than Tevez's either, I think.
I would be since it looks like we are losing 2 strikers and not replacing them
Tevez looks to be gone and Ronaldo was pretty much a striker. We would then just have Rooney and Berbatov really - Wellbeck is v good but not world class (yet)
If Hargreaves is going to have injury problems we need a central midfielder too
Tevez looks to be gone and Ronaldo was pretty much a striker. We would then just have Rooney and Berbatov really - Wellbeck is v good but not world class (yet)
If Hargreaves is going to have injury problems we need a central midfielder too
Yet Ronaldo was key to the 06/07 because he dominated teams.
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It's better.
Anyway, obviously people are going to be disappointed if we sign Valencia. We've lost one of the best players in the world and we replaced that quality with Valencia? Even if we sign someone like Benzema, yeah he's quality even though he's not as good as Ronaldo but in terms of talent, Benzema will help us way more with that extra bit of quality than say Valencia. Losing a player of the calibre of Ronaldo, we have to replace that quality as well as we can. Signing Valencia won't do that.
You can say "He'll improve us" but is it that hard with the current state of our wingers? We should aim higher and try to have near as much quality as we had last season rather than just trying to improve this United not even by that much, so signing a player with the ability of Aguero/Benzema and maybe another player on top is something I'd expect most people to want, rather than Valencia.
I dont think that we should waste 50 millions on 27 - 28 year olds. Stating that, I cant see the wisdom behind replacing the best player in the world (+ a quality striker) with a Ji Sung Park upgrade.
No, I'll be distraught. Valencia is nothing more than a squad player.
He's obviously going to be more than a squad player, Jcurr.
Scary proposition that. Quality wise he's little more than depth and improves us none.
I hope he makes you look silly.
I think he will too.
I think he will too.
I hope he does as well if we do indeed sign him. But I just don't see it.
I think we were buying him anyway for depth, but the media have latched onto the 'he's replacing Ronaldo' angle
I'd prefer if Fergie bought a couple of quality kids or youngish players, I dont need any big names tbh like Ribery. Even if it would mean that Welbeck and Macheda are our 3rd and 4th strikers.
To lose Ronaldo is a huge blow, however, I'm so confident that we will cope and adapt, as we have always done
To lose Ronaldo is a huge blow, however, I'm so confident that we will cope and adapt, as we have always done
Brwned, you yourself have said that Valencia isn't United quality, so other people suggesting the same shouldn't really surprise you.
You're obviously beginning to warm to the thought of him signing as it looks very likely - the same thing has happened to me. But that's mainly because there isn't really a whole lot other available wingers out there.
Someone mentioned this being a transition period, then I'd almost rather stick with Park and our youngsters Welbeck, Nani, Tosic and Ljajic when he comes, than go out and buy someone, who seemingly isn't that huge an improvement on them.