India concedes 11 goals against Japan in the World Cup Qualifiers...

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Though we lost the second leg by 0-4, and didnt create much there were some positives. If we can apply our grit and determination we can salvage a draw against any Asian team.

Negatives
1) At times we cannot hold and complete 6 yard passes
2) We played well only in the first 45 minutes but after they scored the first goal we lost our composition and it resulted in flurry of goals.
3) We lacked width and we were unable to string 3 passes together-shades of Liverpool @ its best.

Skillwise I dont think we are inferior to Korea, China or Japan. But these teams compensated their lack of skills with pace and at times resorting to long ball game and defending as a unit.Now the quality of football played in their respective leagues has improved drastically but we are making no efforts to attract youth.
 
:nono: Japan & Korea are a long way ahead of the rest of the Asian countries with China a distant 3rd.
 
I dont quite think we're level with Japan Korea and China yet even in terms of skill, far from in fact. But our bigger problems are the lack of any tactical nous whatsoever, and as you mentioned the way we panic and lose our composure when going a goal behind.

I heard that Zico wants to take over the Indian national side but the FA isnt ready to pay him the wages he's currently on. How they want to make any progress without investing more in the game is really beyond me. If we just hire a better coaching staff, fitness trainer, and build better facilities, we could improve by leaps and bounds...
 
vijay_vr said:
Though we lost the second leg by 0-4, and didnt create much there were some positives. If we can apply our grit and determination we can salvage a draw against any Asian team.

Negatives
1) At times we cannot hold and complete 6 yard passes
2) We played well only in the first 45 minutes but after they scored the first goal we lost our composition and it resulted in flurry of goals.
3) We lacked width and we were unable to string 3 passes together-shades of Liverpool @ its best.

Skillwise I dont think we are inferior to Korea, China or Japan. But these teams compensated their lack of skills with pace and at times resorting to long ball game and defending as a unit.Now the quality of football played in their respective leagues has improved drastically but we are making no efforts to attract youth.
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you are fecking joke

we are abyssmal in football, plz remove the blind fold from your eyes vijay

hamare ghar mein hamari ma behn ek kar di salo ne

how can you take any positive from that

our basic problem is the feckin politics in this country
there are absolutely no funds
in a sport where you need grass root levels of training and expertise, we don't even have a handfull of genuinely good football academies in the entire country
so how do you expect any positive
unless the leaders stop putting all the cash in their pockets and put some into the sport/sports (for that matter);
we will have to be content with one individual effort for a single medal at any major sporting competition

ps: we aren't that great at cricket as well
 
You make a valid point jatin, even though I dont wholly agree with your choice of words

Bhadwa sala ;)
 
karan316 said:
You make a valid point jatin, even though I dont wholly agree with your choice of words

Bhadwa sala ;)
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soory mate lost my cool

but thats just my point
with a country that has the largest popullation in the world(supposedly)
you can't find a handfull of players that can perform decently for you
thats a shame really

i am not asking for absolutely stunning performances or surprises like greece or korea

but a respectable showing
loose 2-0 fine acceptable, but 7-0 and 4-0 at your home
might as well remove your squad frm the competition and save the embarrassment

ditto for cricket
sachin is not as good as everyone thinks (rather hopes ) he is
the only respectable player is dravid rest are scum pathan , en all included they are the flukey kinda players the flash in a pant thing
 
jatin said:
ditto for cricket
sachin is not as good as everyone thinks (rather hopes ) he is
the only respectable player is dravid rest are scum pathan , en all included they are the flukey kinda players the flash in a pant thing
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What is this supposed to mean?:rolleyes: :wenger:
I guess you are one of those fans who started buring players posters and stoning their houses after one loss in WC. Eh?:smirk:

When we are playing well n all , all people jump to the bandwagon and 2 bad series , they start attacking the team, sachin isnt good anymore , rest are just scum. Yeah right.

Although i don think it is gonna happen but I really hope we do well in champions trophy and make you eat your words.
 
Conspiracy Cal? said:
:nono: Japan & Korea are a long way ahead of the rest of the Asian countries with China a distant 3rd.
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I would say Japan with korea and china a distant 2nd and 3rd
Korea arent that good as some think.
Anyway India has a long....................long way to go . I jsut hope I am still alive to witness them play in WC.
 
crappycraperson said:
What is this supposed to mean?:rolleyes: :wenger:
I guess you are one of those fans who started buring players posters and stoning their houses after one loss in WC. Eh?:smirk:

When we are playing well n all , all people jump to the bandwagon and 2 bad series , they start attacking the team, sachin isnt good anymore , rest are just scum. Yeah right.

Although i don think it is gonna happen but I really hope we do well in champions trophy and make you eat your words.
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Spot on Crappy, Jatin is now just talking BS. India is a good cricket team and history proves it and Sachin if not one of the best ever, is definitely of this time. He's just ranting over nothing now.

Now to Football, you cant really be serious. I think money will be much better spent on other things then sport ATM. Football wont be easy to grow in India anyway, not with the climate in most of the country - in that sense cricket is much more suited. However that’s not to say it cant grow at all, I mean it is the world game so the Potential is definitely there. There’s has been some positive signs though e.g. Leicester I think it was has made a deal regarding the youth players of a club from Calcutta(where football is at its most popular). So there is hope, but not any speed I would imagine. So why get so wound up by a result of A sport that most of that country doesn’t even regard of minimal importance.
 
no7z said:
Spot on Crappy, Jatin is now just talking BS. India is a good cricket team and history proves it and Sachin if not one of the best ever, is definitely of this time. He's just ranting over nothing now.

Now to Football, you cant really be serious. I think money will be much better spent on other things then sport ATM. Football wont be easy to grow in India anyway, not with the climate in most of the country - in that sense cricket is much more suited. However that’s not to say it cant grow at all, I mean it is the world game so the Potential is definitely there. There’s has been some positive signs though e.g. Leicester I think it was has made a deal regarding the youth players of a club from Calcutta(where football is at its most popular). So there is hope, but not any speed I would imagine. So why get so wound up by a result of A sport that most of that country doesn’t even regard of minimal importance.
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We wont make any kind of progress in football or any other sport unless it becomes a viable profession for young people.
I hear stories of former Indian internationals driving taxis and autos.
 
FLASHWOK said:
China is largest I'm sure. India is the largest democracy though. :confused:
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Well give or take a couple of 100 million!!

Yes China is definitely the largest currently - 1.3 Billion. India is at 1.1 Billion. Though given current growth rates, the change is expected to happen in 2044 when Indian Population will overtake China's.
 
How popular is football in India? I mean, say a team like ManUtd or R.Madrid were to play a friendly game there, would fans pack a stadium to watch them?
 
scalisto said:
How popular is football in India? I mean, say a team like ManUtd or R.Madrid were to play a friendly game there, would fans pack a stadium to watch them?
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i have to say, from my short time in India...I was amazed at the level of interest shown for football...especially the premiership (they get atleast 4 weekend games live per week...sods :()...but seriously, my brother used to play for the state, and let's just say, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Needs some proper coaches, discipline, and tactics and all...but with the right discipline and seriousness, I think it would be wonders.
 
jatin said:
you are fecking joke

we are abyssmal in football, plz remove the blind fold from your eyes vijay

hamare ghar mein hamari ma behn ek kar di salo ne

how can you take any positive from that

our basic problem is the feckin politics in this country
there are absolutely no funds
in a sport where you need grass root levels of training and expertise, we don't even have a handfull of genuinely good football academies in the entire country
so how do you expect any positive
unless the leaders stop putting all the cash in their pockets and put some into the sport/sports (for that matter);
we will have to be content with one individual effort for a single medal at any major sporting competition

ps: we aren't that great at cricket as well
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What are those fecking politics thats affecting football in this country?.

Losing the away leg in Japan or Korea is not a bad Omen.Previously stronger teams from India had lost out there but we were able knock them out in our
home leg.Do you remember how the team under Uncle Bob thrashed the combined Indian XI in all the three legs.

If East Bengal can win the Asean Championships and in a strong postion to win the AFC and qualify for the ACL then I dont think the quality of football played here is quiet shite.

Over 60% of the Government and NGO's who are officially promoting cricket and field hockey are also promoting football.The advantage with amateurs playing cricket and hockey is they can make big money and if they graduate to a certain level - sadly thats not the case with football.

We don’t have great coverage for domestic football as the coverage provided by DD is really poor. So the revenue for the professional clubs Kokatta, Goa , Kerela depend on the gate receipts.If the spectators are more interested in watching Eroupean leagues than going out to support their local teams then these professional clubs cannot finance their team.So naturally the quality of football comes down and it affects the players representing in the international football.

As far as football is concerned there are no political or administrative squabbles .Problem is with infrastructure and capital. Players like IM Vijayan, Satyan etc fought out of poverty because they took football as their profession but today none are willing to risk their career with football.

When I was playing at a semi professional level way back in early 90’s the best paid player was a Nigerian – Chima Okerie who earned 1 lakh per year plus 4000 per month.If we go by the same linear scale how much do you think the best player from India today -Baichung Bhutia is earning?
 
Paz said:
i have to say, from my short time in India...I was amazed at the level of interest shown for football...especially the premiership (they get atleast 4 weekend games live per week...sods :()...but seriously, my brother used to play for the state, and let's just say, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Needs some proper coaches, discipline, and tactics and all...but with the right discipline and seriousness, I think it would be wonders.
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Genuine fans should not show more interest in the foreign leagues.They can support any foreign team but they must also support their local clubs and take the game seriously than watching matches through the TV.
 
scalisto said:
How popular is football in India? I mean, say a team like ManUtd or R.Madrid were to play a friendly game there, would fans pack a stadium to watch them?
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Football was the most popular sport in India prior to cricket and Hockey in the 70's ..when the national team was best in Asia.I heard from my seniors the nation went mad when Pele and Eusebio visited Kolkata.Now the tradition
is maintained only across three or four states.

If Real Madrid plays Manchester United in any one of the big metros you can expect a full attendance but not the case if any two local clubs meet exactly opposite to what usually happens in SA.
 
karan316 said:
I dont quite think we're level with Japan Korea and China yet even in terms of skill, far from in fact. But our bigger problems are the lack of any tactical nous whatsoever, and as you mentioned the way we panic and lose our composure when going a goal behind.

I heard that Zico wants to take over the Indian national side but the FA isnt ready to pay him the wages he's currently on. How they want to make any progress without investing more in the game is really beyond me. If we just hire a better coaching staff, fitness trainer, and build better facilities, we could improve by leaps and bounds...
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We are not physically strong and mentally tough to match them but both India and Iran has a bigger legacy than Japan or Korea.
 
crappycraperson said:
What is this supposed to mean?:rolleyes: :wenger:
I guess you are one of those fans who started buring players posters and stoning their houses after one loss in WC. Eh?:smirk:

When we are playing well n all , all people jump to the bandwagon and 2 bad series , they start attacking the team, sachin isnt good anymore , rest are just scum. Yeah right.

Although i don think it is gonna happen but I really hope we do well in champions trophy and make you eat your words.
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crappy i ain't jumping on any bandwagon

even if we manage to win a world cup i will nor agree that we are the best team in the world
well i don't blame you coz you don't know me
but a tournament or two doesn't make much of a difference
porto won the CL , so are they the best team in the world hell no

i have this view point since the very begining when i startde to understand cricket

as far as sachin goes
look mate i am indian and am very proud of it
but i ain't blind

lets see you answer this question and lets see if i make myself clear

you have 40 balls left and need 60 runs and you are down to your last recognizable duo on the pitch
would you rely on
a) sachin
b)bevan
c)gilchrist
to save your arse and win the match
it ain't no impossible situation and the supposed best batsman should be able to do it
but i wouldn't put my money on sachin

this is coming from an indian
i don't jump on the glory / or slagging bandwagon for kicks
i know what i say and i don't think i am wrong
 
Conspiracy Cal? said:
:nono: Japan & Korea are a long way ahead of the rest of the Asian countries with China a distant 3rd.
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Japan and Korea are the best but not long back 1995 India was as good as
Korea.We beat and held the Korean team that qualified for the WC 86 and 90.

The progress of Japan as a footballing power is amazing especially in the last decade.Now Japan and Korean are on the top with China and couple of teams from Gulf in the second tier followed by rest.But even today I dont think the India is far behind China and some Gulf nations.
 
vijay_vr said:
What are those fecking politics thats affecting football in this country?.

Losing the away leg in Japan or Korea is not a bad Omen.Previously stronger teams from India had lost out there but we were able knock them out in our
home leg.Do you remember how the team under Uncle Bob thrashed the combined Indian XI in all the three legs.

If East Bengal can win the Asean Championships and in a strong postion to win the AFC and qualify for the ACL then I dont think the quality of football played here is quiet shite.

Over 60% of the Government and NGO's who are officially promoting cricket and field hockey are also promoting football.The advantage with amateurs playing cricket and hockey is they can make big money and if they graduate to a certain level - sadly thats not the case with football.

We don’t have great coverage for domestic football as the coverage provided by DD is really poor. So the revenue for the professional clubs Kokatta, Goa , Kerela depend on the gate receipts.If the spectators are more interested in watching Eroupean leagues than going out to support their local teams then these professional clubs cannot finance their team.So naturally the quality of football comes down and it affects the players representing in the international football.

As far as football is concerned there are no political or administrative squabbles .Problem is with infrastructure and capital. Players like IM Vijayan, Satyan etc fought out of poverty because they took football as their profession but today none are willing to risk their career with football.

When I was playing at a semi professional level way back in early 90’s the best paid player was a Nigerian – Chima Okerie who earned 1 lakh per year plus 4000 per month.If we go by the same linear scale how much do you think the best player from India today -Baichung Bhutia is earning?
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vijay you haven't been watching the news mate have
you


do you know why jose ramirez barreto left mohun bagan
coz they were not able to pay his wages
it turned into one ugly afair FIFA had to intervene
so barreto left

recently our sports minister visited the national stadium in delhi (prior to the olympics)
and there he found that the water and food being given to the players wasn't edible in fact a road side dhaba offers much more hygenic food than that
besides he also found a room that had been locked for a long long time and the keys were nowhere to be found
the lock was broken down and inside the room there were atleast a dozen brand new footballs and many more sporting equipments which should be made available to the sportsmen but that was not done for some reason
later the reason was found
those goods were hidden so that they could be reported stolen or they never reached the place and the officials would sell them at a higher price and fill their pockets
such is the situation

and talking about our own leagues
i try my best to keep track of mahindra united but am not successfull
i still know quite a few players from their team

so i don't talk baseless stuff,
i am very passionate about my country and will not blame them for nothing but i don't turn away from the truth :mad:
 
jatin said:
ditto for cricket
sachin is not as good as everyone thinks (rather hopes ) he is
the only respectable player is dravid rest are scum pathan , en all included they are the flukey kinda players the flash in a pant thing
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Stop over reacting... this thread is abt football and lets keep it there.. i dont follow indian football too much... but i know were rubbish at it... it will take time but its mainly the 'system' thats all wrong... our sports are run by federations which are run by polititians... if they really wanted, they could put the money into getting a proper setup and decent facilities... You cant expect people at the age of 20-25...who have played at the pathetic gorunds we have...and with the poor training facilities we have to become world beaters... our facilities are far worse than all the countries smaller than us, who do better.

but lets not drag this to cricket... its the one thing indians can sometimes be proud abt... Most of the other things in this country are corrup and poorly run.. Wev got a bloody good cricket team, which is full of youth and talent.. were going to have the odd bad patch... most of the team is inexperienced.. but believe me we will be among the top 3 in world cricket for the next few years..
sachin is the best player of this generation... probabily the greatest sportsman wev ever had... dravid is also extremely good.. pathan is class..a star in the making... harbhajan is bowling brilliantly and once he gets in a run of games... he will establish himself as amongst the top few spinners in the world, in ganguly we have an excellent captian i believe...he may be going through a bad patch.. but what hes done for indian cricket we should never forget... You remember the days when azhar and jadeja were around... how fecking useless a team we had...no teamwork no togetherness...we used to give up without a fight... ganguly has encouraged the youngsters like yuvraj and pathan...and hes got an amazing team together which has an attitude abt it...something i never thot an Indian team could have... add to that sehwag..who again is playing poorly right now..but has so much talent... give him a year and hel be a much more complete player... Stick by the team and stop slagging it...
 
You would think a country with a billion people could have a decent football team, but with china they both have one of the worst teams in the Whole world. Now India VS Foroe Islands should be a cool match.
 
no7z said:
Now to Football, you cant really be serious. I think money will be much better spent on other things then sport ATM. Football wont be easy to grow in India anyway, not with the climate in most of the country - in that sense cricket is much more suited. However that’s not to say it cant grow at all, I mean it is the world game so the Potential is definitely there. There’s has been some positive signs though e.g. Leicester I think it was has made a deal regarding the youth players of a club from Calcutta(where football is at its most popular). So there is hope, but not any speed I would imagine. So why get so wound up by a result of A sport that most of that country doesn’t even regard of minimal importance.
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How many professional cricket clubs or professional cricketers are there in our country. More than 80% of our cricketers and hockey players are amateurs as these games are still played on an amateur basis.There is no professional league for cricket or a professional club for cricket in our country.But still we arent worse in cricket and hockey. The number of active
professional footballers are comparable to the number of active professional cricketers.

Suppose an organization say HAL or Kerela Police decide to sponsor a football team the best it can do is to pick out a state level player and give him a salaried job with flexiblity in attendance plus a decent salary. After couple of seasons if the player gets attracted by a fat contract from Bengal or Goa clubs he is bound to resign his job for more money. If he fails to deliver in the professional league he is kicked.He cannot find an alternate club are there are professinal clubs in the first and second divison and he cannot go back to his old club(concern) or get back his old job.

Even if he survives in Calcutta for eight or nine seasons he cannot survive his lifetime with the money unless he gets a coaching job or tries his luck in some other field.The organization promoting the sport might lose interest in promoting the football if it finds its employees are quitting the job to play in the professional league.

As I said before 60% of the organizations supporting cricket and hockey are supporting football.But we are unsure about how to manage this sport.Thats why I feel good performances by the national team is important in addressing this issue.
 
Like the others in the thread I too confess I don't follow much domestic football. I suppose thats because I don't live in any of the football crazy places like Cal or Goa. My dad was a fanatic following Mohun Bagan when he used to live in Kolkata back in the 60s. His stories about the time are fascinating.

I'd say the only way to break this vicious circle of the team not doing well because of not enough people supporting and financing it and people not supporting it because its not doing well is a charismatic figure or one major victory. Hockey was the rage back then because of Dhyan Chand. Cricket exploded from a decently followed sport into the current mania after the 83 victory. Football needs something big to happen in terms of personalities or events. Till then, I suppose it will just stagnate. Lets only hope it doesn't get any worse.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Stop over reacting... this thread is abt football and lets keep it there.. i dont follow indian football too much... but i know were rubbish at it... it will take time but its mainly the 'system' thats all wrong... our sports are run by federations which are run by polititians... if they really wanted, they could put the money into getting a proper setup and decent facilities... You cant expect people at the age of 20-25...who have played at the pathetic gorunds we have...and with the poor training facilities we have to become world beaters... our facilities are far worse than all the countries smaller than us, who do better.

but lets not drag this to cricket... its the one thing indians can sometimes be proud abt... Most of the other things in this country are corrup and poorly run.. Wev got a bloody good cricket team, which is full of youth and talent.. were going to have the odd bad patch... most of the team is inexperienced.. but believe me we will be among the top 3 in world cricket for the next few years..
sachin is the best player of this generation... probabily the greatest sportsman wev ever had... dravid is also extremely good.. pathan is class..a star in the making... harbhajan is bowling brilliantly and once he gets in a run of games... he will establish himself as amongst the top few spinners in the world, in ganguly we have an excellent captian i believe...he may be going through a bad patch.. but what hes done for indian cricket we should never forget... You remember the days when azhar and jadeja were around... how fecking useless a team we had...no teamwork no togetherness...we used to give up without a fight... ganguly has encouraged the youngsters like yuvraj and pathan...and hes got an amazing team together which has an attitude abt it...something i never thot an Indian team could have... add to that sehwag..who again is playing poorly right now..but has so much talent... give him a year and hel be a much more complete player... Stick by the team and stop slagging it...
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listen all you cricket fans
i would love it if india win the champions trophy
i never said that i don't want them to win
and crappy if india win it i STILL WILL NOT BUDGE from my point and will NOT eat my words

if you think we are the best team en all
tell me truthfully
before any match we play against any decent opposition are you 200% sure we would win
or do you think we can win depending on which team shows up
the indian team who are hungry to win or that one which don't give a feck

will you bet your house on india winning a match with pakistan in the champions trophy
i know i can say with much more assurance about australia that they are gonna win no matter who they play
ok occasionaly they might loose but occasionally not like us

frankly our cricket team is like liverpool
the world knows they are shit except their own blind fans ditti for our cricket team
 
by the way vijay_vr

if you search the football forum you can find a thread which will prove to you the hand politics plays in the sports in our country

its about two football clubs in goa; who have major political support within themselves
and basically the two clubs are rivals coz the politicians backing them are competitiors

so they both were playing their respective league matches against some oher clubs and both of them won some 50/60-0 :eek:

their opponents were playing for them only coz of the basic underworld and political influence

read that article and you will understand what i ean by the politics in our country
 
amolbhatia100 said:
sachin is the best player of this generation... probabily the greatest sportsman wev ever had... dravid is also extremely good.. pathan is class..a star in the making... harbhajan is bowling brilliantly and once he gets in a run of games... he will establish himself as amongst the top few spinners in the world, in ganguly we have an excellent captian i believe...he may be going through a bad patch.. but what hes done for indian cricket we should never forget......
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:nono: :nono:
sachin is not the best of his generation
why don't you answer the scenario i have mentioned above and plz answer truthfully

i agree ganguly is a fabulous captain and i agree to whatever praises you heap upon the rest
but i don't think we can call ourselves the best team or even one of the best teams coz simply we are not

and by the way
i always support the team, whenever we play i shout and sing as loudly as i
can
but i don't turn my back to facts
telling the truth is not slagging
i have laways supported them will alwayts support them but i shall never give them more credit than they deserve
 
Jatin, thats a one-off. However, there's no doubt that corruption is hindering the progress of football in this country, to some extent. Not to the extent perhaps that you make it out to be.

And as for your comments about the Indian cricket team and betting your house on it, you couldnt do that with any team, no not even Australia. Andy Roddick just lost in the US open to Joachim Johansson when Im sure you would have predicted him to win comfortably. Thats the unpredictability of sport for you. You cant be "200% sure" of anything. The fact remains that India has a good cricket team, the best we've had in a long time, and is up there in the top 3 or so. Clearly not the best yet, but striving to get there.
 
karan316 said:
Jatin, thats a one-off. However, there's no doubt that corruption is hindering the progress of football in this country, to some extent. Not to the extent perhaps that you make it out to be.

And as for your comments about the Indian cricket team and betting your house on it, you couldnt do that with any team, no not even Australia. Andy Roddick just lost in the US open to Joachim Johansson when Im sure you would have predicted him to win comfortably. Thats the unpredictability of sport for you. You cant be "200% sure" of anything. The fact remains that India has a good cricket team, the best we've had in a long time, and is up there in the top 3 or so. Clearly not the best yet, but striving to get there.
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karan i did post that australia may loose a match or two but when you look at them before any match and they tend to instill that confidence in you that they will win

sadly that doesn't happen with india
even if sehwag is on 199 i cannot tell you for sure that he won't bottle it but thats not the case with ponting or even inzamam for that matter

they just don't have that charisma in them
 
Indian's crap in football, let's face it... when I think that this feckin' country has a population of over a billion (over 1,000,000,000 people)! How many medals did they win for olympics? Even, they are shit at cricket, just been beaten by England.

Sorry about this post but I really find it puzzling.
 
jatin said:
listen all you cricket fans
i would love it if india win the champions trophy
i never said that i don't want them to win
and crappy if india win it i STILL WILL NOT BUDGE from my point and will NOT eat my words

if you think we are the best team en all
tell me truthfully
before any match we play against any decent opposition are you 200% sure we would win
or do you think we can win depending on which team shows up
the indian team who are hungry to win or that one which don't give a feck

will you bet your house on india winning a match with pakistan in the champions trophy
i know i can say with much more assurance about australia that they are gonna win no matter who they play
ok occasionaly they might loose but occasionally not like us

frankly our cricket team is like liverpool
the world knows they are shit except their own blind fans ditti for our cricket team
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:confused: Best team in the world?? when did i say we are? i said we are among the best... but still a young team and thus to comfirm ourselves among the top 2 ...it will take maybe a year...

First of all australia are the best...ok since wev got that straight. Let me make it clear that even before they go into a game you cant say 200% that theyl win... no team in the history of any sport is like that.. but australia are better than us and their chances of winning games are more....maybe in the next year or two we can reach that level...still some way to go though.

Sachin is the best of this generation... everyone who really knows his cricket will tell you that... its just that some idiots expected him to carry a poor indian cricket team of the late 90s to win everything.. he does it at the big stage... hes been the best batsman of 2 of the three world cups hes played in...played pretty well in the one in between...hes always performed his best against the best in the world which most greats do... i could go on for a long time on this... there isnt anyone close.. except if you want to count that chucker murli.

Anyways all my last post was trying to say is that people shud stick by this team... we have been consistanyly the SECOND best team in the world over the last two years... and its a young team, its inexperienced..its going to have a drop in form... ESPECIALLY when sachins not there...dont underestimate his importance....

Im telling you right now...we have very little chance of winning the champions trophy...most probabily wel go out in the first round itself.. i hop we dont..but i can see it hapenning... still im giving this team time.. sachin will come back...eventually sehwag,yuvraj etc will regain their form...and zaheer will come back.... we will get back to that no.2 spot...pushing for the top... I expect the aussie tour to be the time when we find our form and belief again.
 
jatin said:
crappy i ain't jumping on any bandwagon

even if we manage to win a world cup i will nor agree that we are the best team in the world
well i don't blame you coz you don't know me
but a tournament or two doesn't make much of a difference
porto won the CL , so are they the best team in the world hell no

i have this view point since the very begining when i startde to understand cricket

as far as sachin goes
look mate i am indian and am very proud of it
but i ain't blind

lets see you answer this question and lets see if i make myself clear

you have 40 balls left and need 60 runs and you are down to your last recognizable duo on the pitch
would you rely on
a) sachin
b)bevan
c)gilchrist
to save your arse and win the match
it ain't no impossible situation and the supposed best batsman should be able to do it
but i wouldn't put my money on sachin

this is coming from an indian
i don't jump on the glory / or slagging bandwagon for kicks
i know what i say and i don't think i am wrong
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In your scenario i will choose Bevan, Sachin and then gilly.

But if have to choose one batsman to open who could help his make a 300+score or chase such a score. It will be SACHIN!
So Bevan finishes more game than sachin , he plays at no. 6 , you want sachin to play there.
Stupid cnuts are always making arguments like Sachin never has won enough games on his own.
Ok i take it you must regard Viv richards and bradman as great , best of their generation.
How many games would have richards won if it wasnt for the great west indian pace attack, even would have won games on his own if it wasnt for his excellent team mates.
One man cant win you all matches , Sachin has done it no. of time though, not that long ago we were regarded as one man team
Also what people forget is that SACHIN has still 4 years left in him, he could do a lot in that time. Judge him when his career is over.
 
listen crappy and amol
we can take ages for this

NO i don't expect tendulkar to win every match for us
no i don't say bat him down the order
and frankly you don't need to bat down the oreder for the scenario i mentioned
he could have come in his preferred position but still he wouldn't do the job

and yeah i don't expect miracles from him
but you tell me india pak test match going on

he's been brilliant so far( despite of his back pain)

india need 15 runs have 4 wickets in hand
and sachin was batting on more than a 100

and he bottled it
you call that asking for miracles
is that asking too much
if he could tolerate his back for the feckin entire day
10 mins wouldn't have killed him :mad:

and we lost that match

you all may not have a good memory but i don't forget such things

and i can't forget the Billion times he has got himself out fishing and cutting at wide deliveries


hey i ain't asking for miracles all i ask is some common sense
i know he can't score a 50 every time

but atleast 20-30 odd sensible runs

what if you can't get that you don't deserve to be called a great batsman let alone the greatest

and please remove those safron , white and green tinted glasses and see what i am trying to say

we have been and still are bottling it on the big stage no matter what you say
 
amolbhatia100 said:
:confused: Best team in the world?? when did i say we are? i said we are among the best... but still a young team and thus to comfirm ourselves among the top 2 ...it will take maybe a year...

First of all australia are the best...ok since wev got that straight. Let me make it clear that even before they go into a game you cant say 200% that theyl win... no team in the history of any sport is like that.. but australia are better than us and their chances of winning games are more....maybe in the next year or two we can reach that level...still some way to go though.

Sachin is the best of this generation... everyone who really knows his cricket will tell you that... its just that some idiots expected him to carry a poor indian cricket team of the late 90s to win everything.. he does it at the big stage... hes been the best batsman of 2 of the three world cups hes played in...played pretty well in the one in between...hes always performed his best against the best in the world which most greats do... i could go on for a long time on this... there isnt anyone close.. except if you want to count that chucker murli.

Anyways all my last post was trying to say is that people shud stick by this team... we have been consistanyly the SECOND best team in the world over the last two years... and its a young team, its inexperienced..its going to have a drop in form... ESPECIALLY when sachins not there...dont underestimate his importance....

Im telling you right now...we have very little chance of winning the champions trophy...most probabily wel go out in the first round itself.. i hop we dont..but i can see it hapenning... still im giving this team time.. sachin will come back...eventually sehwag,yuvraj etc will regain their form...and zaheer will come back.... we will get back to that no.2 spot...pushing for the top... I expect the aussie tour to be the time when we find our form and belief again.
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listn amol there is no need for the idiots and cnuts
i love my team as much as you do
but i accept the shortcomings ulike some people

and if you one mr sidhu

" if's and and's and pots and pans there would be no tinkers"

now i have no clue what that means exactly but

IF sehwag returns to form
IF zaheer finally comes back fit( but will he regain his form)
IF yuvraj plays sensibly
IF you understand my point we can move further with our conversation about indian football

and yes i do the follow our league
 
jatin said:
listen crappy and amol
we can take ages for this

NO i don't expect tendulkar to win every match for us
no i don't say bat him down the order
and frankly you don't need to bat down the oreder for the scenario i mentioned
he could have come in his preferred position but still he wouldn't do the job

and yeah i don't expect miracles from him
but you tell me india pak test match going on

he's been brilliant so far( despite of his back pain)

india need 15 runs have 4 wickets in hand
and sachin was batting on more than a 100

and he bottled it
you call that asking for miracles
is that asking too much
if he could tolerate his back for the feckin entire day
10 mins wouldn't have killed him :mad:

and we lost that match

you all may not have a good memory but i don't forget such things

and i can't forget the Billion times he has got himself out fishing and cutting at wide deliveries


hey i ain't asking for miracles all i ask is some common sense
i know he can't score a 50 every time

but atleast 20-30 odd sensible runs

what if you can't get that you don't deserve to be called a great batsman let alone the greatest

and please remove those safron , white and green tinted glasses and see what i am trying to say

we have been and still are bottling it on the big stage no matter what you say
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ok this could go on for really long.

Alright bottling it... in the last two years and half years or so we have:

a) Beaten the aussies at home in one of the most memorable comebacks.
b) Reached the world cup final
c) Played well against england in england in the tests and beat them in the natwest trophy in one of our best one days wins.
d) Almost beat the aussies in their own land if it wasnt for one steven waugh.
e) Reached the mini-world cup final two years ago
f) Won the mini-world cup last year... shared it with lanka but we were winning both games.
g) Beat pakistan in pakistan..both in the one-dayers and tests.Something NO indian team and very few teams(im not sure) have ever done.

These are just our main achievements...other than this we have been winning at home as well... with some slip ups.

Lets just put this to rest...IMO were one of the best teams in the world..and we WILL establish ourselves firmly at the no.2 spot in the next year. Im confident abt it. Just give this team time...all teams go through bad patches(except this aussie team)...were just lacking in confidence.. when sachin comes back things will be better... its just a dip in form...we will get back to our best...this team is blessed with some of the best talent...and it will show once again.

As for sachin... yeah so he got out...i remember that very well.. it must be alot easier in that situation for people like hayden,gilcrist and ponting, knowing that them getting out with just 17 runs to win...wont lead to a collapse with the lower order making a mess of things... if that happened today wed win... its just then we were a complete One-man team...sachin had to do fecking everything... even that game hes blamed after somehow batting with mongia and getting us so close... hes won us games time after time... name a batsman or a player better than him from this generation.. there isnt. Dravids good,hes had a great last year...but over the years the number of matches sachin has won for us make dravid's record look ordinary.
Just keep faith in the team,...thats all i can say.

One question...when united lose a few matches.. do you just say were shite and dont have bottle..or were the new liverpool?? didnt think so. Oh and one more thing... you seriously dont think sachin is a great batsman?? listen to yourself.
 
jatin said:
nope it should be gillchrist and hayden
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Why?
Tell me what have both of them have done so far that is better than SACHIN.
I don remember these 2 winning matches ALL ON THIER OWN like SACHIN did in SHARJAH.
I wouldnt even have gilly in my top 5 batsman list , if that make me biased then so be it!
 
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