India concedes 11 goals against Japan in the World Cup Qualifiers...

[crappycraperson]

listen crappy and amol
we can take ages for this

NO i don't expect tendulkar to win every match for us
no i don't say bat him down the order
and frankly you don't need to bat down the oreder for the scenario i mentioned
he could have come in his preferred position but still he wouldn't do the job

and yeah i don't expect miracles from him
but you tell me india pak test match going on

he's been brilliant so far( despite of his back pain)

india need 15 runs have 4 wickets in hand
and sachin was batting on more than a 100

and he bottled it
you call that asking for miracles
is that asking too much
if he could tolerate his back for the feckin entire day
10 mins wouldn't have killed him

and we lost that match

you all may not have a good memory but i don't forget such things

and i can't forget the Billion times he has got himself out fishing and cutting at wide deliveries


hey i ain't asking for miracles all i ask is some common sense
i know he can't score a 50 every time

but atleast 20-30 odd sensible runs

what if you can't get that you don't deserve to be called a great batsman let alone the greatest

and please remove those safron , white and green tinted glasses and see what i am trying to say

we have been and still are bottling it on the big stage no matter what you say

As far as that Chennai match is concerned, being totally objective I woudnt say Sachin botteled it, but yes part of the blame for defeat was on him!
But FFS when he got out we needed just 15 fecking runs and had 3 wickects , but as we were a one man team we couldnt even make 15 rund without him.

Let me take you to another scenario , around what 3-4 years later 3 rd test match against aussie in chennai only, we were crusing again needing 25 with 5 wickets in hand with laxman batting with dighe . After tea we lose 2 wickets in 2 balls inlcluding laxman. But still we managed to win , the reason this time won was we had other good players as well, we were mentally tougher.

Jatin you talk like SACHIN is regarded as the best by INDIANS only, ask Aussies they will tell you what they think about him. Check his record against them , the best in last 5 years .
You know what You arent even worth arguing with, a person who thinks current Indian team is SCUM , makes me think you are a paki or something.

 

[crappycraperson]

hey i ain't asking for miracles all i ask is some common sense
i know he can't score a 50 every time

but atleast 20-30 odd sensible runs

what if you can't get that you don't deserve to be called a great batsman let alone the greatest

What does this mean?
Have you totally lost it now
Listen I don think INDIA are the best team in the world, I don think they are the second best also, but they have enough potential to be the best and dominate , they have shown that!
Also I rate sachin only next to bradman and viv.
In 4 years he will overtake viv too IMO.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

As far as that Chennai match is concerned, being totally objective I woudnt say Sachin botteled it, but yes part of the blame for defeat was on him!
But FFS when he got out we needed just 15 fecking runs and had 3 wickects , but as we were a one man team we couldnt even make 15 rund without him.

Let me take you to another scenario , around what 3-4 years later 3 rd test match against aussie in chennai only, we were crusing again needing 25 with 5 wickets in hand with laxman batting with dighe . After tea we lose 2 wickets in 2 balls inlcluding laxman. But still we managed to win , the reason this time won was we had other good players as well, we were mentally tougher.

Jatin you talk like SACHIN is regarded as the best by INDIANS only, ask Aussies they will tell you what they think about him. Check his record against them , the best in last 5 years .
You know what You arent even worth arguing with, a person who thinks current Indian team is SCUM , makes me think you are a paki or something.

completely agree.

I had forgotten abt that match you just mentioned...

Thing is...almost every expert or serious cricket follower knows that sachin is the best of this generation... even all the aussies acknoledge it.. its sad that even they recongnise what a player he is and some of our own country dont.

i just cant think of anyone else.. hayden has done well, but average in one-dayers and average on the big stage(world cup). Sachin is the only player whose done so well...carrying a very poor indian team throughout the late 90s to early 2000s... and hes always performed at the highest stage...as i said what other batsman has turned it on the way he has in the world cups??.. in this last world cup he was incredible...even through some pain he demolished the pakistani attack... i dont think anyone else is capable of destroying the pakistani attack the way he did....to the extent to which we just had to score at 4 an over to win. He is by far the best ever one-day batsman ever... and among the top 3 in test cricket. Every indian who watches cricket should be proud of that.

The only critisism i can think of is that he hasnt performed well enough in some finals... when he has those around him have collapsed.. but yes he probabily should have done better there.. but didnt viv richards get out cheaply against us in the world cup final?? that doesnt stop him from being one of the greatest.
completely agree with you here...we arent the best in the world...no1 said we are..but i believe we can get there...

 

[jatin]

What does this mean?
Have you totally lost it now
Listen I don think INDIA are the best team in the world, I don think they are the second best also, but they have enough potential to be the best and dominate , they have shown that!
Also I rate sachin only next to bradman and viv.
In 4 years he will overtake viv too IMO.

i never said anything about india being the best in the post you replied to


i don't get what you trying to say there

as far as the aussies go

why don't you ask them off camera then lets see
on camera no one will slate him
everyone will keep lauding
him

thats the feckin problem in this damn country people like you
look t the aussies
they dropped steve waugh
try taht with sachin and the public will murder you n matter how rubbish he's playing

 

[jatin]

You know what You arent even worth arguing with, a person who thinks current Indian team is SCUM , makes me think you are a paki or something.

listen dud thats your feckin opinion
you don't wanna chat fine feck off
but dare you call me a paki
bastard

just coz i don't agree about your feckin best cricketer doesn't mean you doubt my nationalism you got that

behnchod paki hoga tu tera khandan

and as far as i am concerned dravid is miles ahead of sachin

 

[jatin]

didn'texpect such caustic remarks from you just coz of a difference of opinion
calling an indian a paki is a feckin disgrace
for christ sake i ain't even a feckin mulla

i am a punjabi, an indian and a very proud one
and i accept facts unlike you both
and just coz you couldn't prove your point doesn't mean you feckin degrade someone to that level

 

[amolbhatia50k]

ok lets calm down...there arent that many indians on this forum and we dont need to fight over our opinions on the cricket team. Jatin, thats fine, its your opinion...i think hes the best, you dont.. it doesnt really matter...lets not go to the lengths of calling each other pakistani's and stuff...
Lets not fight over little issues...since both of you do infact follow the cricket team...lets just get behind and support them fully.

 

[jatin]

ok lets calm down...there arent that many indians on this forum and we dont need to fight over our opinions on the cricket team. Jatin, thats fine, its your opinion...i think hes the best, you dont.. it doesnt really matter...lets not go to the lengths of calling each other pakistani's and stuff...
Lets not fight over little issues...since both of you do infact follow the cricket team...lets just get behind and support them fully.

i didn't call him a paki

infact he was tyhe one who started the abusing as well

yeah i do support india
and i will continue to do so

the fact of the matter is that you two don't even see that i am arguing so that we see our shortcomings and try to erradicate them and not hide them

 

[jatin]

by the way if i remeber correctly
it was crappy who stopped me into getting into a fight of words with that paki bilal about the indo pak thing in the other sport forum
and after witnessing that how can he think i am a paki

 

[crappycraperson]

didn'texpect such caustic remarks from you just coz of a difference of opinion
calling an indian a paki is a feckin disgrace
for christ sake i ain't even a feckin mulla

i am a punjabi, an indian and a very proud one
and i accept facts unlike you both
and just coz you couldn't prove your point doesn't mean you feckin degrade someone to that level

Ok I apologize i went a lot overboard , lets stop this name calling.
But you talk about facts, what facts have you posted to show that Sachin doesnt even classify as a great player (except one game ) and Indian team is scum?

 

[jatin]

Ok I apologize i went a lot overboard , lets stop this name calling.
But you talk about facts, what facts have you posted to show that Sachin doesnt even classify as a great player (except one game ) and Indian team is scum?

when did i ever say that the indian team were scum
i just think they are a bit overratde and so is tendulkar
just because i am saying that sachin is overrated doesn't mean that i am saying he's a bad player
he is a good player no doubt about that but i don't think he's the greatest so where is the question of me calling him scum

and i also see how conveniently you ignored my praise for rahul dravid
now what about that

 

[crappycraperson]

ditto for cricket
sachin is not as good as everyone thinks (rather hopes ) he is
the only respectable player is dravid rest are scum pathan , en all included they are the flukey kinda players the flash in a pant thing

Look you have every right to your opinion,but you should have some reasons to believe such thing .
You havent given any good one so far.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

the fact of the matter is that you two don't even see that i am arguing so that we see our shortcomings and try to erradicate them and not hide them

i know you see faults in the team...we all do... but thats no reason to say that 'dravid is the only respectable player in the team'... what have the others done to lose your respect for them...?

dravids had a great last year.. but before the last two games ...he had scored 30 runs in 6 innnings.. thats shocking... i dont remember sachin going through anything liek that... its very good that dravids had such a good year.. averaging 95 in tests in the last year.. but sachins been averaging around 60-75 pretty consistantly for the last 5 years... and winning far far more games for us. But everyone has his own opinion...your not the only one who thinks dravid is better... but saying sachin isnt a great baffles me when pretty much everyone assosiated with the game thinks hes the 3rd best batsman ever... but its down to opinion and everyone has their own. just dont slag the team... stuff like were 'shite at cricket,the cricket team is crap, no1s respectable', that would piss any indian cricket fan off.

 

[jatin]

Look you have every right to your opinion,but you should have some reasons to believe such thing .
You havent given any good one so far.

listen first of all i didn't call the indian team scum
i called the players scum
there is a difference

calling the indian team scum would be directed towards india, whereas this is directed towards the players


and the reason i fell they are scum is coz they on't give their 100% every time
except maybe dravid and ganguly

they don't play with pride for the country

 

[jatin]

i know you see faults in the team...we all do... but thats no reason to say that 'dravid is the only respectable player in the team'... what have the others done to lose your respect for them...?

dravids had a great last year.. but before the last two games ...he had scored 30 runs in 6 innnings.. thats shocking... i dont remember sachin going through anything liek that... its very good that dravids had such a good year.. averaging 95 in tests in the last year.. but sachins been averaging around 60-75 pretty consistantly for the last 5 years... and winning far far more games for us. But everyone has his own opinion...your not the only one who thinks dravid is better... but saying sachin isnt a great baffles me when pretty much everyone assosiated with the game thinks hes the 3rd best batsman ever... but its down to opinion and everyone has their own. just dont slag the team... stuff like were 'shite at cricket,the cricket team is crap, no1s respectable', that would piss any indian cricket fan off.

i agree my remarks will piss any indian cricket fan off, and as i can see they have

but my respect for dravid doesn't come because of his stats or his recent performances

when everyone was calling for his head saying that he ain't suited for the oneday game, i still supported him;

the way he plays , for his team and not for himself
this is what i like about him

and the other one is ganguly
; his anger and boldness is one thing that we have needed for a long long time
the past captains were softies and thats why i respect ganguly

 

[crappycraperson]

listen first of all i didn't call the indian team scum
i called the players scum
there is a difference

calling the indian team scum would be directed towards india, whereas this is directed towards the players


and the reason i fell they are scum is coz they on't give their 100% every time
except maybe dravid and ganguly

they don't play with pride for the country

Again you have come up with wild allegations but havent really given any good reasons .

 

[jatin]

Again you have come up with wild allegations but havent really given any good reasons .

i thought you could see it yourself

lets take the kenya match for eg

the way sehwag played did it give you any indication, that he gives a feck about a situation the team is in

don't tell me that's his style; if he can play responsivly and a bit more sensibly in tests then why not one dayers

 

[jatin]

something which is more appropriate to the topic of discussion


India, USA markets on Villa agenda
tribalfootball.com - September 12, 2004

Aston Villa chief Bruce Langham has revealed the club has ambitious plans to break into the United States and India markets.
He said: "We can't say too much about those deals yet but we will be taking the Aston Villa brand abroad, not only to encourage support but sponsorship and revenue too."

Langham added: "We will also have to buy in success to strengthen the team at the top level.

"There is some exciting young European talent out there and we will have to fish in the pond of the European Union for players as well."

 

[amolbhatia50k]

i agree my remarks will piss any indian cricket fan off, and as i can see they have

but my respect for dravid doesn't come because of his stats or his recent performances

when everyone was calling for his head saying that he ain't suited for the oneday game, i still supported him;

the way he plays , for his team and not for himself
this is what i like about him

and the other one is ganguly
; his anger and boldness is one thing that we have needed for a long long time
the past captains were softies and thats why i respect ganguly

iv honestly never seen sachin play for himself...he is a winner at heart.. i remember at sharjah when he destroyed the aussies twice.. he got us into the final but still wanted to win that game.. its in his nature..

hes an attacking batsman...hes going to play his shots.. and he will get out at times..thats how players like him play...they take their chances.. dravid doesnt take such chances..it doesnt mean he care more, but he hasnt got those shots... he has different ways to score. If sachin were to play like dravid he wudnt be as effective.

the people you can seriously put that allegation on are sehwag and yuvraj... sehwag just got too fecking arrogant...with every1 comparing him to sachin...hes become bloody lazy.. and makes the same stupid mistakes time and time again. I remember before the asia cup he said that he wants to score 200 in an ODI..since then hes been crap..playing pathetically. And yuvraj as well...hes a bit too laid back... when he was dropped some 3 or 3 years back he came back a much better player... i think he might have to be dropped again...he again is become too lazy. I hate it when someone is out of form and isnt willing to improve...and is satisfied with his place in the team...im afraid it seems thats whats hapenning with these two.