Is Mou still 'The Special One' for you all?

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Jose was never the special one as far as I was concerned.A good manager ? Yes.A winner ? yes. A great manager? No.

He WAS a great manager.

We just have to hope he can regain that now and that his best days are not behind him.
 
Fergie had big brass balls. Mourinho has little mouse balls.

I'm not anti-Mourinho at United. You can see we've improved. Even just attracting in Pogba, Ibra, Mikhitarian and Bailly has been huge so for that reason alone he's been a positive but... my god for someone who acts the big man, he's one hell of a little scaredy-cat.

Trusting to continue attacking when you're on top takes courage. Trusting young players at the highest level takes courage. Where's the courage Jose?
 
Hate to be all pedantic (I don't) but we had 7 points less this time last season, one less trophy, had been knocked out of Europe twice and were playing the most boring football known to man.
My bad, still had this in my mind. http://pulse.ng/sports/football/man...nho-have-the-same-league-stats-id6471732.html

There will be hardly any difference at the end of this season when the balance is made and LvG's FA cup win comes into play, that much I know. He only missed out on fourth by goal difference as well.

The football is hardly much more exciting now, we still play slow football and we are still heavily reliant on moments of individual class (swap martial for ibra).
 
Didn't Fergie pretty much do this in most away games. I remember quite a few European games under Fergie where we had the same feelings as tonight.
 
I can't disagree, his assessment of Fellaini has been incorrect some times.

However, when he gives him a specific task in the final moments of a match such as this, if he indeed is a player that Mou trusts, he'd expect him to carry it out. Fellaini sort of betrayed that trust, so to speak.

Hopefully Mou will grow wiser with this regarding Fellaini, once and for all.

Not going to happen, he would rather throw Martial or any other player under the bus to demolish their already non-existent confidence.
 
Fergie had big brass balls. Mourinho has little mouse balls.

I'm not anti-Mourinho at United. You can see we've improved. Even just attracting in Pogba, Ibra, Mikhitarian and Bailly has been huge so for that reason alone he's been a positive but... my god for someone who acts the big man, he's one hell of a little scaredy-cat.

Trusting to continue attacking when you're on top takes courage. Trusting young players at the highest level takes courage. Where's the courage Jose?

What?
 
Well this is not the first time it has happened with Fellaini this season. Remember when he was subbed on against Everton and then almost immediately concedes a penalty?

I do, but that was different, shit happens.

Even though that also resulted in a dreadful ending of the match, I blame Fellaini more for his action tonight.

Penalties happen, it's a part of the game. But he completely failed Mou against Anderlecht, put doubts in his trust.
 
My bad, still had this in my mind. http://pulse.ng/sports/football/man...nho-have-the-same-league-stats-id6471732.html

There will be hardly any difference at the end of this season when the balance is made and LvG's FA cup win comes into play, that much I know. He only missed out on fourth by goal difference as well.

The football is hardly much more exciting now, we still play slow football and we are still heavily reliant on moments of individual class (swap martial for ibra).
That stat wasn't even right.

Well we still have a good shot at winning one more trophy. We're unlikely to finish fourth but I'm sure we'll have more points. That means we've improved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't be doing better but Mourinho is a long way ahead of Van Gaal for me which is why he isn't being hounded out yet. The football has been much better and I think there was still players in the squad this season that Van Gaal lumbered us with that should've been nowhere near the club. If we're still in the same state this time next season then I'm sure the tide will turn against Mourinho too.
 
lol.

Anyway back to the game, his attacking is shit, so it is not like we can rely on it to make sure the game is dead and buried.

The problem is his defensive organization when we actually try to defend scares the feck out of me and it hardly ever fails to prove me wrong.

And he was supposed to be very good at it.

Not a good sign when you're paying your manager a whooping 14 million a year.

Why is Mourinho at fault for Fellaini just giving up on his task, which he was basically subbed in for?

Pretty much tailor made situation for him there. Long aerial ball, player running in from midfield. It's Fellaini's man, he should be tracking back and marking him out.

Look at it from the bright side: perhaps he'll feel he can't trust Fellaini as much as he thought, from here on out…

He is the one that's constantly bringing in Fellaini to close down games even tho Fellaini's defensive contribution was always questionable.

Thank you, new member, for educating me in forum etiquette.

Condescending isn't the right way either my friend.
 
Are Man United fans slowly starting to realize the obvious? That Jose is a one trick pony tactically?
 
I do, but that was different, shit happens.

Even though that also resulted in a dreadful ending of the match, I blame Fellaini more for his action tonight.

Penalties happen, it's a part of the game. But he completely failed Mou against Anderlecht, put doubts in his trust.
You think? Fellaini cost us two vital points against Everton and Mourinho still defended him. Will probably give him a contract extension:D
 
Got to balance out the anti-Mourinho madness in here..

FWIW, even though he got it wrong tonight in other games, IMO Mou has to stay on next season.

But you have to admit that it's worrying that we keep making the same mistakes. The Fellaini sub is just one example. Just keeps trying to do the same thing over and over when it's not working
 
Where would you guys rank Jose as "Current best managers in the world", I.e. does he make your top 3 or top 5?

Mine would be:
Allegri - Dominant albeit with a weak league
Ancelotti
Conte
Zidane - Might be a bit early but wouldn't surprise if Real win La Liga and CL
Leonardo Jardim - Nice football and look very good in the league and in the CL

Special mention for:
Tuchel - I think Dortmund are playing better football under Tuchel than under Klopp and he can embed young players to play very good football
Semione - In terms of what he has done at A. Madrid over a period of time and consistency to achieve top 3 and CL final twice in last few years
Klopp - If he can get top 3 with his current average squad, then I think that's a good achievement

Pep and Jose have been very underwhelming. I was one of those at the start of the season thinking the 2 Manchester clubs would be going neck and neck for the title
 
What have Poch and Klopp ever won? FFS Poch couldn't even get out of the group stages. Yet he's some kind of savior? Poch has been decent by Spurs standards, you'd be complaining about him if he was achieving the same with United.

Pochettino is one of the best managers in the league. You can prefer Mourinho but lets not think he is 'decent' by Spurs standards when he has made a fool of Pep and mourinho this season.
 
Fergie had big brass balls. Mourinho has little mouse balls.

I'm not anti-Mourinho at United. You can see we've improved. Even just attracting in Pogba, Ibra, Mikhitarian and Bailly has been huge so for that reason alone he's been a positive but... my god for someone who acts the big man, he's one hell of a little scaredy-cat.

Trusting to continue attacking when you're on top takes courage. Trusting young players at the highest level takes courage. Where's the courage Jose?
Marcus Rashford for instance started tonight. So how is he not trusting youth on the highest level exactly?
 
Pochettino is one of the best managers in the league. You can prefer Mourinho but lets not think he is 'decent' by Spurs standards when he has made a fool of Pep and mourinho this season.
Remind me, what is the number of Pochettino's trophies?
 
lol.

Anyway back to the game, his attacking is shit, so it is not like we can rely on it to make sure the game is dead and buried.

The problem is his defensive organization when we actually try to defend scares the feck out of me and it hardly ever fails to prove me wrong.

And he was supposed to be very good at it.

Mourinho set united up perfectly against Chelsea in the FA Cup. That was his old school organisation.

But attacking wise he depends on good players. At chelsea he was notorious for relying on attacking players rather than coaching them.
 
Where would you guys rank Jose as "Current best managers in the world", I.e. does he make your top 3 or top 5?

Mine would be:
Allegri - Dominant albeit with a weak league
Ancelotti
Conte
Zidane - Might be a bit early but wouldn't surprise if Real win La Liga and CL
Leonardo Jardim - Nice football and look very good in the league and in the CL

Special mention for:
Tuchel - I think Dortmund are playing better football under Tuchel than under Klopp and he can embed young players to play very good football
Semione - In terms of what he has done at A. Madrid over a period of time and consistency to achieve top 3 and CL final twice in last few years
Klopp - If he can get top 3 with his current average squad, then I think that's a good achievement

Pep and Jose have been very underwhelming. I was one of those at the start of the season thinking the 2 Manchester clubs would be going neck and neck for the title

Ranking managers is silly.
 
Marcus Rashford for instance started tonight. So how is he not trusting youth on the highest level exactly?

Not like he has many options mate. Depay sold, Mikhi and Lingard both started, Mata and Young both injured and Martial getting "the special" treatment for the better part of the season.
 
Mourinho set united up perfectly against Chelsea in the FA Cup. That was his old school organisation.

But attacking wise he depends on good players. At chelsea he was notorious for relying on attacking players rather than coaching them.

At Chelsea he relied on MF players just to carry the ball pass the half line and give it to Hazard, Willian and Costa to do their magic.
 
Not like he has many options mate. Depay sold, Mikhi and Lingard both started, Mata and Young both injured and Martial getting "the special" treatment for the better part of the season.

Rashford has been starting all season regardless of those players.
 
Can't blame Jose, Pogba should've scored to make it 2-0. Since he didn't we put on Fellaini to see it out 1-0, he didn't track his man and it ends up 1-1, not the managers fault in my eyes but down to individual mistakes.

We saw many defensive away performances under SAF in his last few seasons in Europe when we'd play 4-5-1 which would turn 4-3-3 on the counter. The difference is SAF had Ronaldo and peak Rooney to rely on the counter.

We need to see a reaction from these attacking players now at the weekend, time to see who's up to the task of carrying our team forward.
 
At Chelsea he relied on MF players just to carry the ball pass the half line and give it to Hazard, Willian and Costa to do their magic.

Henry came out and said Pep's job was to get them to the final 3rd and from there, it's up to them.

So interpret that as you will.
 
Mourinho set united up perfectly against Chelsea in the FA Cup. That was his old school organisation.

But attacking wise he depends on good players. At chelsea he was notorious for relying on attacking players rather than coaching them.
I've read variations of what you've said, and I tend to believe this seeing our inept attack at times.
 
Didn't see the game. In what way did Mourinho go wrong?
 
Can we really blame Jose for the stupid number of easy chances we've missed? Week in week out I see players, supposedly much worse than our players, scoring the one v ones, free headers and penalty area chances we are missing every match. That chance Pogba missed tonight the likes of Cabaye etc. are burying those right now. Its too easy to blame the manager. Arguably our players are bigger bottlers than Arsenal's. Arsenal do not miss as many easy chances as we do.
 
never liked the man, never will.
Don't get this song about "playing football the Manchester United way", i find his brand of football quite boring.
He will get a shit lot of money thrown at him so their is no reason he should not win the league.
Either way I don't see it being done it a free flowing manner.
Manchester United way my arse.
 
Yet again, one goal scored, one game drawn, more negative in-game substitutions. It's not remotely good enough. Of course, we can blame the players as per. They're rubbish. I think we should go out there and buy world class players like Ibrahimovic and Pog... oh.
 
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