I think he needs to move on for himself as he's just going around in circles. A new challenge. He's done brilliantly at Spurs but he must be getting a bit fed up by now. Everything has a natural cycle.
Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?
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It's nice to see it in numbers like that as it makes what i was thinking for a while now more clear. He's done some good work overall but a special manager he is not. On his day he can beat anybody but he can also do the opposite and consistency is key. Tottenham have a much better squad then what those numbers would have you believe.
For how long will this media image of being some sort of miracle worker world class manager continue?
Ah yes lets ignore points about winning even a tiny cup with the quality players he has.... sure I don't mind you going in a different direct as its clear you have nothing to add there other than excuses.
Did you see pools squad when kloop tookover?...not surprised spurs finish higher since spurs had a much better 11......Lets ignore Poch already had good players at spurs....I am sure he's never had any, right?....make excuses about not spending but ignore the fact that poch actually inherited/bought some really good players.
Level of delusion is strong with you.
Facts are Poch didn't have a great squad when he took over. He build the squad with very low funds.
Meh. Klopp without his money= no trophies.
I was discussing about it, but then you started giving sarcastic answers, why should I keep trying to have a discussion when you are not interested.
Ah yes... let ignore points which go against poch......again.
Enjoy your delusions.
What makes you think he has control over transfers? All his comments about transfer business has him positioned as simply the coach
Before Poch came they had Clint Dempsey upfront and had Kane out on loan. That's how badly spurs were run.
Poch gave youth a chance. He built a good squad.
Thinking similar, RM squad suits his abilities.
Actually surprised Zidane went back and he's not there already.
It's not as binary as that. I would think before before writing a smart-ass response. Be ruthless if there is a manager who's taken us as far as possible and there is a much better version of him in terms of playing style then it would make sense to go for him. Upgrading, Solskjaer to Poch is much more seamless than Van Gaal to Jose.
London might be too far north for Southern softie Eddie
Only 2 points in their last 9 away PL games
In your opinion, I’d rather give Ole a proper shot and be proved wrong than sell out a club legend and our soul with it then find out we got sold a pup or not.
Not his fault.
It's a good time for him to move on I reckon. Worked well for Klopp. Real would probably be very interested in him if Zidane keeps the woeful form.
Our club is already labeled as a joke.
Now it seems we're going long term with Ole's project , and then you guys want sack him just to get poch.
Can't imagine what our club will be labeled after that.
Now it seems we're going long term with Ole's project , and then you guys want sack him just to get poch.
Can't imagine what our club will be labeled after that.
Let's hope so, the should sack him and appoint a Spurs legend like Robbie Keane to replace him.
Klopp had Dortmund down the bottom for most of his last season.Not his fault.
Managers have a short lifecycle these days.
It looks like Pochs time at Spurs is near an end.
Knowing the Glazers, Ole will still be here after two years of singing the Youth and passion anthem which will lead us nowhere. They will eventually get rid of him in his third year with minimised compensation.
City got rid of a relatively successful manager when Pep came long.
Things change pretty fast in football.
They had been shopping for Pep since day one, employed his former bosses and bought his brother a football club so slightly longer term and dodgier planning.
My reply to a poster who ignores points against poch because he can't say anything other than make excuses is.......
= one for being deluded enough to think poch is anywhere near klopp (dortmund) and = another one for ignoring points which go against poch and switching conversation then ignoring those points which go against poch....Pathetic.Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?
I'm still not saying that he is better or worse. I'm just arguing that you can't be sure that Poch is better then Ole.
(Have to wait until tommorow if you want reply, though I've posted my days limit. It is in mods hands if you get answer today
)Nope.My reply to a poster who ignores points against poch because he can't say anything other than make excuses is.......
It's simply pointing out that all managers go through bad spells.
He a Utd legend don't you know we have to give him 20 years, it's the Utd way.
In summer of 2015 if somebody told you that Poch would get Spurs into the CL for the next 4 seasons and a CL final it would be considered an outstanding success.Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?
I'm still not saying that he is better or worse. I'm just arguing that you can't be sure that Poch is better then Ole.
(Have to wait until tommorow if you want reply, though I've posted my days limit. It is in mods hands if you get answer today
A couple of FA cups or League cups would have been great but he has definitely done a great job at Spurs.
Is there a more polarising subject on the caf than Poch’s ability as a manager?
Nah no way....everyone hates our own players/manager. They’re the least polarised subjectQuite a few I’d say
1. Ole
2. Pogba
3. Rashford
Sure there are more in the balance.
Nah no way....everyone hates our own players/manager. They’re the least polarised subject
I like one and three, this may come as a shock to some on here but I’m not overly enamoured with Pogba though.
The obsession with Pochettino, particularly on here, is bizarre.
Ole has 8 more points over the same period plus whatever he gets from tomorrow. Chelsea have sacked their manager over the same period of games despite him doing better than Spurs (6 points better off) and winning a major trophy.
Getting to the CL final was a great journey for Tottenham but the league form has been horrendous for nearly a year and the performances have been poor for longer. It's in danger of doing them more harm than good as it's meant a blind eye has been turned to the results that are actually going to end up being more important.
I must admit, I've never been one of the Pochettino fanboys but do rate him. I never expected them to start so poorly this season, I quite liked their transfer business.
Pochettino peaked at Spurs a while back, the lack of investment in the team means that he'd basically taken that crop of players as far as he could 1-2 seasons back in my opinion.
I see him going next summer to a big overseas club, probably in Spain, and doing well.
His replacement? Probably someone like Eddie Howe.
Pochettino peaked at Spurs a while back, the lack of investment in the team means that he'd basically taken that crop of players as far as he could 1-2 seasons back in my opinion.
I see him going next summer to a big overseas club, probably in Spain, and doing well.
His replacement? Probably someone like Eddie Howe.
Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?
I'm still not saying that he is better or worse. I'm just arguing that you can't be sure that Poch is better then Ole.
(Have to wait until tommorow if you want reply, though I've posted my days limit. It is in mods hands if you get answer today
He's achieved exactly the same as Ole if you judge managers purely by the braindead bar of 'what trophies have they won?' rather than actually assessing what work they've done at clubs. If you only consider winning something an achievement rather than how a manager helps a team progress then yes, to you Pochettino = completely unsuccessful. Luckily, most people have the capacity to look beyond such simplistic logic and can see Pochettino took a Spurs team languishing behind Everton and completely restructured the side, leading us to a top 4 finish pretty much every season, and giving us an incredible run to the CL final.
Obviously trophies are a big deal and had he won a few it would have really cemented his legacy, but any attempt to deny that he's achieved a great deal in terms of raising the clubs profile and the level we perform at, is simply being fecking blind. To compare what he's built at Spurs to Ole managing in the Norwegian league, failing at Cardiff and half a season with United .. what planet do you have to be on? Obviously Pochettino is the more accomplished and proven manager, and obviously everybody aside from United fans would choose Pochettino if they had to have either manager.
That's not to say Ole can't become/prove himself to be better than Poch, who knows? I like Ole. He seems to get on well with his players, and he's the first United manager in a long while for me who genuinely focuses on developing youth and building something long term rather than simply looking at the next 1 or 2 seasons
According to the forum it won't matter who the manager is as long as the owners don't sell up. If that's true, we might as well stick with OGS.
You're taking Pochettino in his worst period at the club. People still rate him because of what he did before that. A manager can have a difficult year but still be rated and people can look at why he may be struggling at Spurs (stuck in a bit of a rut) and think that he would be more successful elsewhere.
Sarri wasn't even sacked, was he? Juventus came in and it was mutually beneficial for both parties than he move on.
Why are people never willing to concede obvious points in these kinds of debates?
Even if you defend Poch, it's valid to say he hasn't won anything yet and that's a stain on his record. It's also valid to say that as of now he hasn't proven to be level with the likes of Klopp, and trophies do play a part in that assessment, along with other factors. It's valid to say that he hasn't shown good form in the league over the last few months.
On the other hand, it's also valid to concede that as of now he's definitely proven to be a level above OGS, and the body of work he's done at Spurs is important to consider, even though he lacks trophies to show for it. It's valid to consider if Pochetinno can be an upgrade on OGS somewhere down the line if things don't go as we might like them to. That doesn't make OGS a bad manager.
Conceding these points doesn't weaken your argument, in fact it strengthens it as it shows you understand the reality of the situation, and use said reality to assess and form your opinion.
Even if you defend Poch, it's valid to say he hasn't won anything yet and that's a stain on his record. It's also valid to say that as of now he hasn't proven to be level with the likes of Klopp, and trophies do play a part in that assessment, along with other factors. It's valid to say that he hasn't shown good form in the league over the last few months.
On the other hand, it's also valid to concede that as of now he's definitely proven to be a level above OGS, and the body of work he's done at Spurs is important to consider, even though he lacks trophies to show for it. It's valid to consider if Pochetinno can be an upgrade on OGS somewhere down the line if things don't go as we might like them to. That doesn't make OGS a bad manager.
Conceding these points doesn't weaken your argument, in fact it strengthens it as it shows you understand the reality of the situation, and use said reality to assess and form your opinion.
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You seriously gonna sack the manager because there's supposed to be a better manager to replace him, yet put him as his boss?
Seriously. If poch got the job he doesnt need ole to tell him which player he should sign and which style he should play.
The truth, only in the Utd bizarro world is anybody comparing Pochettino to Ole, he hasn't earned the right to be compared to the likes of Eddie Howe or Steve Bruce.
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