If we could get rid along with Matic, Sanchez, Jones and Bailly and managed to bring in Olmo, Zainolo, Zakaria and Haaland and at a stretch Sancho or a superstar of that ilk it would set us on a very good path. To be honest only the 'Sancho' type signing is somewhat unrealistic. We'd still need to be looking at a LB and CB but the squad would finally be more balanced. Getting Chong and Gomes to sign on top of that and we'd be looking a lot better. I'd love Pogba to stay and be part of a great team but right now he's a luxury we simply can't afford. The important thing is to replace all the deadwood with players we can actually use, as in they don't necessarily have to be great players but more guys of the ilk of Park and O'Shea that aren't completely useless to us. I think most of us would rather see Gomes, Garner et all on the bench than Mata and Matic etc because at least they have an upside in youth.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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If we could get rid along with Matic, Sanchez, Jones and Bailly and managed to bring in Olmo, Zainolo, Zakaria and Haaland and at a stretch Sancho or a superstar of that ilk it would set us on a very good path. To be honest only the 'Sancho' type signing is somewhat unrealistic. We'd still need to be looking at a LB and CB but the squad would finally be more balanced. Getting Chong and Gomes to sign on top of that and we'd be looking a lot better. I'd love Pogba to stay and be part of a great team but right now he's a luxury we simply can't afford. The important thing is to replace all the deadwood with players we can actually use, as in they don't necessarily have to be great players but more guys of the ilk of Park and O'Shea that aren't completely useless to us. I think most of us would rather see Gomes, Garner et all on the bench than Mata and Matic etc because at least they have an upside in youth.
They can only expect a realistic return, I know that it's a lame answer but it's the only true answer. The fee doesn't change the expectations, think about it the other way around do you expect nothing from a player that costed nothing? Your expectations will be linked to your on-field evaluation not the cost of the player. The only thing that the fee will determine is how much time you are willing to wait before admitting your mistake and minimizing the costs by selling the player.
How else should he have been used. Jose tried to build a team around him, but in my opinion Pogba showed he couldn't handle the responsibility. There was a reason he was dropped multiple times - his attitude stunk.
I was vehemently Jose out toward the end, and perhaps it is the dour football we play now speaking, but I don't think Jose was wrong to say getting 2nd with this lot was his best achievement. That season was proof he could squeeze the potential out of our players, before they threw their toys out on the pram to get him sacked. Pogba, for all his skill, was a major player in that. Woodward valued his talents over Jose ability to manage, which sends the players the wrong message long term. Partially why Ole is having a hard time now, imo.
He isnt sulking. If you watch his IG stories, he's only just getting running again in the anti gravity machine. There's clearly been a decent injury.
Could have done that at home instead of Dubai and then Miami?
If you can train and recover in appropriate climates where its not cold and fecking miserable, why not? If a player is willing to pay for the recovery and recouperation outside to the club run medical facilities in said climates, then im sure the club will not withhold a player from doing so as long as that recovery and recouperation bides by their medical requirements and the club can monitor progress.
For example Lebron James spend a $1 million on recovery per year outside of the lakers club medics. Im sure Ronaldo has a plethora of assitants to help with recovery outside of Juventus.
Seriously, if you knew you were off for months due to injury, like feck you would sit in Manchester everyday. You would go mad.
I homestly don’t think he’s milking his injury. He struck me as a player who’s professional on and off the field.
He might not always give 100% on the field, but that’s more of motivational issue.
He might not always give 100% on the field, but that’s more of motivational issue.
I could understand him wanting to recover in warmer climates but I would have preferred if he had done it in Manchester as he would have had the club medical staff at hand to assess his recovery every step of the way.[/QUOTE]
I agree with what you say. A couple of decent signings in January and we might be in with a good shout of the Europa as I think it is going to be extremely hard to qualify for the Champions League via the League. I was really excited when we first signed Pogba and thought he was going to to do great things for us. Sadly this hasn't happened consistently, only in patches.
If you pay a world record record fee for a player you expect performances to match that fee consistently. He hasn't provided consistently enough and for this reason I would get rid of him while his value is still quite high and invest the money in a few other players and hopefully we become a better team.
Wouldn't trust our medical staff to be able to diagnose a dead body to be honestly.
Didn't realise our medical staff were that inept. Thanks for letting me know. I just thought that it would be better to have people at the club helping him as they would know more about what stage he should be at in his recovery.
I dont love Pogba, actually I dont like his attitude and behaviour in general, but I respect him as a player. And he is our best and most important player right now, simple as that. McTominay, Pereira, Fred? Well, they are championship level, so maybe Pogba looks better than he actually is, but thats our club right now.
We fought for TOP4 with him, thats what I said and you ignored. Now he doesnt play and we are mid table team, exactly what I also said. So whats your problem actually? That I dont hate him for no reason?
On paper, Pogba is better. I agree
Over the last 2 seasons however, Maddison has played at a better level AND more crucially, on a consistent basis.
That’s the thing this injury was only supposed to be a couple of weeks, I remember him posting something back when he was in Dubai saying nearly back or something. For a player that wants to leave it’s all been strange this injury.
Btech Jack Grealish this Maddison bloke. Let him stay at his level.
I'm pretty sure that the club medical staff aren't the ones following him. When players have big injuries they generally go outside of the club when it comes to medical advice. Football clubs for the most part don't really have extensive medical departments and they don't have all kind of specialists.
I wasn't aware of that. I thought the clubs medical medical staff would have been the ones more equipped to handle the situation. I was wrong. Thanks for letting me know
Agree with what your saying about specialists but this apparently wasn’t a serious injury though, would have thought our physios and carrington would be able to deal with a “foot” injury, if not these are the bigger problems than sacking Ole I have been alluding too
I wasn't aware of that. I thought the clubs medical medical staff would have been the ones more equipped to handle the situation. I was wrong. Thanks for letting me know
It depends a lot on the injuries, if the medical staff has experience in that type of injuries and the recovery process then they can take care of everything, otherwise the player will have to switch between the club's staff and other specialists. Sometimes player also need a lot more care and the medical staff has to deal with almost 30 other players which means that it's sometimes best if the player is taken care of by someone else with the club monitoring it from afar.
Being reported everywhere they he'll be back in 10 days.
I, for one, am shocked.
I, for one, am shocked.
Pogba comes back and plays a blinder, handing the title to Liverpool more fuel for the people who can't stand him.
more fuel for the people who can't stand him.Half the fan base are going to be absolutely gutted that this wasn't some big conspiracy. One less reason for them to hate him. Shame.
I am looking forward to a storming second half of the season from Pogba, where he shows he's the best player in the world. Then again, I am also looking forward to winning the lottery.
No no no, Alan Brazil said he wouldn't play for United again. He has a trusted source close to the club
Fans gonna be put on suicide watch now
I'm naively expecting him to play for us until the end of the season and this is just newspapers making stuff up again.
If he has any brains he will go.
And if we have any brains, we should let him go only for the 'right' price.
What's the fecking point of comments like these? "Oh, if I was X player, I would leave for my own sake and career", like what kind of fan has a mentality like that?
If you had any brains you'd be dangerous
Of course he should. Him staying at United does not help the club and neither does it help him. He does not want to be here and rightly so. Stop being selfish. Only players who wants to be here better be here. If he has any brains he should go and go now. He will get us a good price and we do not have to pay him portion of the transfer fees because he wants to go so his value to the buying club would be less and so easier to sell.
I cannot believe he was he man so many (myself included) thought would be the end of our midfield woes. He has served up rubbish performances in 8 out of 10 games he has played in since 2017 and I cannot wait to see the back of him. Same can be said for half of our squad.
I am not sure we will be willing to pay same price as last summer. We were desperate for Pogba. He had a pretty decent season, but now things has changed. Velverde has played a massive role in resurgence of Madrid and he is playing the boks to boks role that Pogba was supposed to play to perfection. Pogba on the other hand has been a disaster so far this season.
I am not sure we will be going for him at all.
Your figures are nowhere near accurate. Pop over to his performance threads or the MOTM threads and see for yourself. What does happen is when he does have a bad game; it is spoken about for weeks, and when he has a few, it is spoken about for a season, and then what happens is retrospectively, all the games he plays where he is ‘good’, but not God-level amazing like the handful of those he has every season, quietly get moved from the ‘good performance’ box they were in in the immediate aftermath of the game, and filed in the ‘poor’ or ‘rubbish performance’ one. Happens every season, and before people start with childish names like ‘Pogba apologist’ - the proof is literally in the pudding about the retrospective change in opinion on him and can be seen by reading the first couple of pages after every match. He’s good then, when we can all remember it as of 10 minutes ago. Then slowly as time goes on, he’s never put in a good performance in forever.
He does have some shit games, and he does have a few out of this world ones, but one of the biggest lies is that when he is not out of this worldly, he is rubbish. And that is a fact. Literally nobody is calling his performance poor in the aftermath of most games. But come the end of the season, he’s apparently been putting in rubbish every week, because all people remember are the few games that no other midfielder can match, and then imply the rest could only have been 45 games of crap.
Yep I agree. My main point was you wouldn’t pay the same and yeah I could agree you guys don’t come in for him.
imagine if we sold him to Liverpool the meltdown that would happen here
They set it at 100 or 120 didn’t they?
Come on, you have to be kidding. Pogba is playing in dysfunctional team and coached by average manager. Pogba at the WC was totally different player.
Madison is playing in a very cohesive unit playing as a team, put him in this United side and he will be average as it gets.
Can't see him going in January but I think he will be gone in the summer. Hopefully he will come back from injury and play amazing and help us win Europa before he goes.
Pogba wasn't that great at the WC, its a misguided opinion that Pogba was class.
His place in the team was under question and bar the goal in the final he wasn't great.
Pogba also displayed horrendous form under Mourinho, so your argument fails. Ole hasn't made Pogba play bad, neither did Jose. He just doesn't apply his talents properly.
Maddison plays in a better team unit I agree, Maddison also plays with creative freedom and influences games in a way Pogba doesnt
This.