Except it wouldn’t have any meaning, particularly when the US and most of the western world are publicly backing Israel.
That makes no sense. There is no democracy in cuba but cuban people still have the concept of what democracy is. Concepts exist regardless of material conditions.
Israel and the US commit war crimes, you can argue that might makes right, but you can't erase that concept.
But it would have an impact on how cubans look at their government, like the way the US behaves has an impact on how it's seen in many places in the world. Concepts, legality and accountability are different things. Just because a bully can't be beaten by other kids in the school yard and the teachers don't give a feck, it doesn't mean the concept of bullying doesn't exist.Even in your example, knowing what Democracy is would have no tangible impact on making Cuba Democratic, which would make it a shallow, legally flaccid exercise. In the case of Israel, if the US, EU, and NATO don’t collectively agree on terminology then it would have no meaning and not hold Israel “accountable” before a body that is powerless to affect outcomes.
But it would have an impact on how cubans look at their government, like the way the US behaves has an impact on how it's seen in many places in the world. Concepts, legality and accountability are different things. Just because a bully can't be beaten by other kids in the school yard and the teachers don't give a feck, it doesn't mean the concept of bullying doesn't exist.
Good watch
Good watch
Are you guys talking about “Failure at the Fence”?Honestly don't think I've ever watched a bad Frontline piece.
At what point can Israel and American authorities be held accountable for war crimes?
Not specifically on my part, was talking about the quality of the Frontline series overall.Are you guys talking about “Failure at the Fence”?
The issue is if the same vote was held on October 6th, you'd bet your bottom dollar it would be the same outcome. It never is the 'right time'.I thing this event might be the last nail in the coffin of the west's self proclaimed moral superiority.
Portuguese parliament voted yesterday to recognize the state of palestine. The right voted no, the left all voted yes and the good old centrist parties voted no. Now is not the right time apparently.
I thing this event might be the last nail in the coffin of the west's self proclaimed moral superiority.
Portuguese parliament voted yesterday to recognize the state of palestine. The right voted no, the left all voted yes and the good old centrist parties voted no. Now is not the right time apparently.
Absolutely, the BE party has taken this issue to parliament a couple of times in the last few years, it always fails because the 2 big centrist parties vote against it.The issue is if the same vote was held on October 6th, you'd bet your bottom dollar it would be the same outcome. It never is the 'right time'.
I don't like to judge present day leaders for the actions of their past counterparts. But when they repeatedly fail at such obvious things, it's impossible to deny the mentality is still there.Exactly. I will not go too deep in history, but it is a fact that western riches have been built upon numerous genocides, land grabs etc. It's as if they have only made their methods less obvious than five centuries ago.
If there isn't a geopolitical benefit to empowering a people's right to their own land and autonomy, then its a non factor. I always found it amusing how the Israelis are so vocal about insisting on the Kurdish right to a state (note the hilarious hypocrisy), or supporting Iranian protestors. Definitely nothing to do with weakening their Arab/Iranian regional neighbours.The debate about this yesterday in the portuguese parliament reminded me that the first political demonstration I went to was in the late 90s in favor of Timor's self determination and the end of Indonesia's aggression. So many similarities, they also bombed villages, killed people with snipers, etc. No one opposed to calling it genocide back then.
So depressing that we still struggle to recognize all peoples have the right to self determination.
Are you guys talking about “Failure at the Fence”?
Good watch
I cannot see the link you posted. Maybe its region restricted. What is the title?Haven't seen that. I think the Frontline one is sourced from previous docs they've done with added interviews post 10.7
I cannot see the link you posted. Maybe its region restricted. What is the title?
Firstly, I agree that this situation isn't like the Holocaust. The most resonant image of the Holocaust is the concentration and death camps. Gaza is not yet like that. But there are other actions of Nazi Germany which are a closer comparison, and a Jewish writer got cancelled by German liberals for exactly that comparison*.
Second, I don't get at all the bit in bold. Of course it is their suffering, but a key part of empathy or even of "learning the lessons of history" is the ability to make comparisons and parallels, not atomise every event as singular. For a funny example, in 2009, after the release of Avatar, Palestinians and some indigenous protestors in Central America were seen wearing ridiculous Avatar costumes - there was a common narrative both identified with.
Third, for all the speech policing of the pro-Palestinians, including Jewish people, especially in regard to comparisons, we get gems like this from the mainstream of same country:
Finally, you should read the article he linked, or this one: https://newfascismsyllabus.com/opinions/the-catechism-debate/the-german-catechism/
Neither of them are going to make you a Nazi apologist or whatever harm these articles supposedly do.
*another one is Leningrad, depending on how long this lasts. Just saw on twitter about a child starving to death, which made me remember that comparison.
I think most are just desensitised to the deaths and the method of the killings... Doesn't bode well for humans and what we'll be capable of when the wars start over water and arable land in the next decade.It seems a fair assessment. I'm honestly a little thrown and unsettled by the lack of reaction from some in this thread. I can only assume they're ignoring everything but pro-israeli coverage.
You might be able to view the Frontline series through the PBS website if the YT route doesn't work.I cannot see the link you posted. Maybe its region restricted. What is the title?
