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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
You know her, so totally different.
You also wouldn't stake your freedom on her telling you that over the phone, then go kill the guy. You'd perhaps want him arrested and put in trial where evidence could be shown. The prosecution wouldn't rely on witness testimony alone FFS.
I'm sure you don't think so.
But seriously, surely Hamas and just about everyone in the world who has his head screwed in knew that what happened would not be good for the population in Gaza.
Kill, injury, destroy homes, force them to find shelter, etc.
It happened before in IDF operations which did not follow a massacre like October 7.
So If Hamas is a shit stain on the the underwear of humanity, my question is what would you call the IDF after 50 years of occupation and brutality?
Good post. The people that defend Israel refuse to talk about pre October 7th and how the British practically gave away a land that wasn't there's to give away to begin with.
Just curious. Who was the sovereign on the land the British “gave away”?
The Palestinians who were already living there ?
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I don't think they expected it to be this severe and to last for that long when they have over a hundred hostages. The whole argument is about the severity of the reaction which has led to Israel being on trial for genocide. No matter how awful they are, no one wants their people to face genocide and be ethnically cleansed from their land while it's getting destroyed. I think they believed the international pressure would stop it before it got to this stage which was their mistake.
Why not?
Israelis will probably start saying that it was Israelis that first invented bread made with animal feed.
So after Ottoman empire ceased to exist when exactly did this happen? On which conference/by which treaty the power of disposition transfered in this way?The Palestinians who were already living there ?
This doesn't surprise me. If you're familiar with the stop-antisemitism twitter account, it reguarly goes after people how say anything which they deem as vaguely anti-Semitic; often resulting in those exposed being sacked.
Seems like the IOF killed a few of their own soldiers again today.
Who is defending Israel's behaviour? But unless you have a time machine you can't uninvent the creation of the country.
I hadn't thought about this before now, but it's crazy to me that over 1% of Gaza's population is just gone. There is no way you can justify this being a solution to anything.
"The League of Nations decision to place Palestine under the administration of Great Britain as the Mandatory Power under the Mandates System adopted by the League. In principle, the Mandate was meant to be in the nature of a transitory phase until Palestine attained the status of a fully independent nation, a status provisionally recognized in the League’s Covenant, but in fact the Mandate’s historical evolution did not result in the emergence of Palestine as an independent nation.
The decision on the Mandate did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine, despite the Covenant’s requirements that “the wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory”. This assumed special significance because, almost five years before receiving the mandate from the League of Nations, the British Government had given commitments to the Zionist Organization regarding the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, for which Zionist leaders had pressed a claim of “historical connection” since their ancestors had lived in Palestine two thousand years earlier before dispersing in the “Diaspora”.
During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close.
After a quarter of a century of the Mandate, Great Britain submitted what had become “the Palestine problem” to the United Nations on the ground that the Mandatory Power was faced with conflicting obligations that had proved irreconcilable. At this point, when the United Nations itself was hardly two years old, violence ravaged Palestine. After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized. The partition plan did not bring peace to Palestine, and the prevailing violence spread into a Middle East war halted only by United Nations action. One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and, in a series of successive wars, its territorial control expanded to occupy all of Palestine. The Palestinian Arab State envisaged in the partition plan never appeared on the world’s map and, over the following 30 years, the Palestinian people have struggled for their lost rights"
Its not difficult to check the UN website.
That framing is problematic. UK students names it sound like a radicalisation programme at universities, which is contradicted by the article itself.
Of course you can't. My point was you can't also uninvent what happened before October 7th and act like events pre October 7th are irrelevant in the current conflict.
Who is doing that?
And pretty much everything is irrelevant at the moment, in that sense as Israel will not stop until they achieve whatever their ill defined objectives are (occupy the whole of the Gaza strip? Eliminate Hama?) and with an incompetent warmonger like Netanyahu in charge, and enough of the population of Israel enraged by the events on and since Oct 7th, pretty much nothing that is actually going to happen will stop that now. Which is as predictable as it is depressing.
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Apparently makes it the deadliest day for Israel since their ground offensive began.
He's telling you that there never was a Palestine to speak of.The Palestinians who were already living there ?
His posts are as subtle as a brick through the window.
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How can Palestinians live when they're surrounded by terrorists everywhere?
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Stealing land isn't one of the objectives.
Important tweet.
They can call it a happy fun zone for all I care, doesn't make it any less despicable.
And by doing so, downsizing an area that already was overpopulated. Let's admit that it was the goal, how is that gonna work?
Come on, Amir, you can't possibly believe that it will solve anything or lead to anything but more violence in the future. It's horseshit and you know it.
Come on guys, it's too complex.
You know what also constitutes as a security zone? Borders.
If it's not stolen land then presumably the Palestinians can rebuild on it and do as they wish right?
