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Gehrman said:
I dont care
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I think you could reasonably look to how quickly the Americans and Europeans are turning to the far right within their elections, based on their incredibly high standards of living becoming slightly less high (but still amongst the highest in the world).

Then extrapolate that to what Palestinians have been going through for decades. It's not exactly difficult to see why they turn out of desperation to groups like Hamas.
 
Gehrman said:
Im not sure whether my ex girlfriend who contacted me 2 years later and told me she had been raped ever would have forgiven me, if I had responded "that is weak evidence". Neither the women Ive met in life who have confided in me. Its not proof, but its merit as evidence, depends on the credibility of the victim, the accused and the occasion etc.
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And rightly so, if that is how you would have responded, with no precedent for such a claim.

I'm not sure the comparison really holds up though does it ? The very reason some people are casting doubt on it is precisely because of the credibility of the country claiming it. Within the same context, they have claimed 40 beheaded babies, a still unproven HQ under a hospital (which I imagine justifies the attack on every other single hospital since too) and that Israel are the vanguard of Western civilisation preventing attacks by Hamas on the West, even though (and willing to be proven wrong), as heinous as Hamas are, I don't think Hamas have ever struck outside of Israel/Palestine?

That is not to say that Hamas fighters are not capable of doing exactly that. I can completely and utterly believe that they could. It isn't to say they didn't commit atrocities. Even without the babies story or these stories, they clearly still committed horrific acts that day.

There is definite merit in the evidence. There is definite merit in further investigation. I hope the leaders of Hamas are brought to justice.

Some people have a reaction to it because there is a clear propaganda war from both sides. Israel has every interest in portraying Hamas as an ISIS style cult, ready to strike at a moments notice to bring down the west. A group so barbaric they would behead dozens of babies and rape en masse, playing football with a chopped off breast. The message then becomes clear. Any and all means (including ethnic cleansing, bombing civilians and yes, even bombing hospitals or schools) becomes fair game.

Regardless of the veracity of this particular story, Hamas clearly commit atrocities against Israelis and indeed it's own people as well.
 
africanspur said:
I think you could reasonably look to how quickly the Americans and Europeans are turning to the far right within their elections, based on their incredibly high standards of living becoming slightly less high (but still amongst the highest in the world).

Then extrapolate that to what Palestinians have been going through for decades. It's not exactly difficult to see why they turn out of desperation to groups like Hamas.
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1.2 million tibetans out of 6 million died in the invasion and annexation in Tibet, on top of many injured, mutilated and tortured. 6000 monasteries and temples were burned completely demolished. How many Tibetan terrorists have you ever heard off or Tibetan blowing up Chinese cafés, schoolbusses etc.

No not that the tibetans Buddhists way is the only way, just that its an example that it doesnt have to be that way or there are examples you can do better. But i think that the 2 state solution, which tbh isn't a guaranteed solution to peace, has been dead for a long time now and will be off the table for decades.
 
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Gehrman said:
1.2 million tibetans out of million died in the invasion and annexation, on top of many injured, mutilated and tortured. 6000 monasteries and temples were burned completely demolished. How many Tibetan terrorists have you ever heard off or Tibetan blowing up Chinese cafés, schoolbusses etc.

No not that the tibetans Buddhists way is the only way, just that its an example that it doesnt have to be that way or there are examples you can do better. But i think that the 2 state solution, which tbh isn't a guaranteed solution to peace, hasal been dead for a long time now and will be off the table for decades.
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At least they proved reincarnation!
 
Cloud7 said:
The question gets asked everyday, but there's never a proper answer. It's always:

A) But Hamas

B) What are Israel supposed to do

C) Is that source valid? I question this

And then just no coherent follow up until the question gets asked again
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Just a few bad apples in the IDF.
 
As expected, many of the atrocities alleged to have happened on October the 7th turned out to be purely fictional.



They are suggesting such stories emerged out of confusion and trauma..blah blah.

No sir, the aim was to construct a narrative that would justify the bloodbath that is to come in Gaza.
 
Sweet Square said:
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Shocked and surprised :wenger:
 
But Oct. 7 denial is spreading. A small but growing group denies the basic facts of the attacks, pushing a spectrum of falsehoods and misleading narratives that minimize the violence or dispute its origins. Some argue the ambush was staged by the Israeli military to justify an invasion of Gaza. Others say that some 240 hostages Hamas took into Gaza were actually kidnapped by Israel. Some contend the United States is behind the plot.
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VorZakone said:
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This is happening on both sides to be fair - each seeking to gain moral leverage over the other by gaslighting their audiences into believing the other side are not telling the truth. its all a part of the narrative war.
 
Another fraud zionist who said before that there was no Palestinian nation and was caught peddling a lot of lies.
 
Raoul said:
This is happening on both sides to be fair - each seeking to gain moral leverage over the other by gaslighting their audiences into believing the other side are not telling the truth. its all a part of the narrative war.
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By the look of it she didn't work hard and carefully enough.
 
Raoul said:
She's a tech reporter for a major mainstream newspaper (the WaPo). I've had a look at her recent articles and they are all technology and media related.
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That should disqualify her as a source of information for this geopolitical conflict.

She was also have been found out recently with old racist remarks toward the Palestinians that she did not challenge at all when put forward to her.
 
Giggsyking said:
That should disqualify her as a source of information for this geopolitical conflict.

She was also have been found out recently with old racist remarks toward the Palestinians that she did not challenge at all when put forward to her.
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Working for the Washington Post is about as mainstream as it gets. She was at the Wall Street Journal prior to that, which is another mainstream outlet.
 


The absolute bollocks being spread is unsurprising. However, it is indeed refreshing to see so many call the bullshit out in the replies. The vast majority of posts about Israel/Palestine seem to be full of Zionists replies.

I also really, really miss Spitting Image. It was always so good at satirical sketches like this. I also remember that like Have I Got News For You, and Mock The Week and other satirical comedy shows, they often cut to the truth quicker and help educate or change opinions on many issues. I remember some of my dad's mates chatting about Spitting Image in the pub all the time.
 
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