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Wild that everything that was so horrific and below the IOF to do turned out to be true from bombing hospitals to stealing corpses to summary executions etc...
 
The IDF, and Israeli government are depraved. They're on ISIS levels of depravity.
 
The IDF, and Israeli government are depraved. They're on ISIS levels of depravity.


The Zionist/Israel are much worse.

People on here have tried to make Hamas ISIS like.

One difference the ones taking over land and killing indiscriminately is who?
 


I was told that was an absolute lie and it's so far-fetched a few weeks ago. Also, read the following tweets.
 


I was told that was an absolute lie and it's so far-fetched a few weeks ago. Also, read the following tweets.

It's a usual tactic by the pro Zionist lot. Deny deny deny, obfuscate, muddle and change the argument, give it a few weeks then they come out and admit it when we're all focused on the next travesty committed by those barbarians.
 
So, do we think that this version of Israel has a right to exist? Just to be clear, I don't think nazi Germany had a right to exist but obviously I do recognise Germany as a state.
 


I was told that was an absolute lie and it's so far-fetched a few weeks ago. Also, read the following tweets.


@Amir . I recall that you mentioned that this was not true at all. Is the translation on this paper accurate according to the tweet?
 
So, do we think that this version of Israel has a right to exist? Just to be clear, I don't think nazi Germany had a right to exist but obviously I do recognise Germany as a state.
I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.

Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.

Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.
 
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I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.

Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.

Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.
Good post.

Israel is weird. A bunch of white Europeans have moved en masse to the Middle East and literally stolen the culture, land, and way of life and are claiming it as their own. It’s a settler colonial project, and it should be called out as such.
 
I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.

Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.

Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.
Well, you've put that into far more coherent words than I'm able to.
 
Since October 7th till now all I've seen is Biden doesn't support this, Blinken asks Israel to stop that. All we've seen is Bibi laugh in their faces and literally give speeches in public saying the US can't do shit to stop us.

If you say that Israel runs the US you're called a conspiracy theorist though....
 


More Anti-Arab and Islamaphobic hate in the US.
 
I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.

Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.

Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.


Even ISIS declared borders.

Interesting documents doing their rounds on social media. Actual documents with thumb prints and signatures of Jewish refugees given citizenship in the Palestine (that apparently didn't exist) stating:

"I swear to be loyal to the government in Palestine"

There is even one of Shimon Perez declaring this on a visa application
 


"the #ICJ will hold public hearings on the request for advisory opinion on the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, from 19 to 26 February 2024 at the Peace Palace in the Hague, the seat of the court.
Fifty two states and three international organizations have expressed their intention to participate in the oral proceedings before the court"
 
Even ISIS declared borders.

Interesting documents doing their rounds on social media. Actual documents with thumb prints and signatures of Jewish refugees given citizenship in the Palestine (that apparently didn't exist) stating:

"I swear to be loyal to the government in Palestine"

There is even one of Shimon Perez declaring this on a visa application

Yes, but that was the British mandate in Palestine under League of Nations authorisation. So I wouldn't read too much into it. It was the British denying autonomy to both Jewish and Palestinian peoples, and the Government of Palestine was very much a colonial Government.
 
I don't think any country has the innate right to exist. However every country has the right to live securely within recognised borders and is expected to adhere to international law.

Israel in it's current manifestation has to date refused to declare it's borders, continues to occupy swathes of Palestinian territory, and continues to behave in a way that is in contravention to international law. And as such it should be treated and reprimanded as a rogue state. We have no issue in the West isolating the likes of Russia and Iran and sanctioning them up to the eyeballs, so we should be doing the same to a belligerent and repeat aggressor like Israel.

Until Israel declares it's borders and exists alongside a recognised Palestinian state which enjoys full autonomy, then it should not be regarded as a credible state.

Good Post.
 
@Amir . I recall that you mentioned that this was not true at all. Is the translation on this paper accurate according to the tweet?

From what I can read, pretty accurate, yes. I'd say any sort of torture is implied, but an execution is clearly mentioned.

I will mention that the claim I denied at the time was that there is some organized mass execution. This seems to be a (terrible, vile) decision from one officer, which the IDF claims to investiage. Having said that, whether the story is accurate or not, it's quite likely there are others.
 
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From what I can read, pretty accurate, yes. I'd say any sort of torture is implied, but an execution is clearly mentioned.

I will mention that the claim I denied at the time was that there is some organized mass execution. This seems to be a (terrible, vile) decision from one officer, which the IDF claims to investiage. Having said that, whether the story is accurate or not, it's quite likely there are others.

Thanks for your reply
 
Good post.

Israel is weird. A bunch of white Europeans have moved en masse to the Middle East and literally stolen the culture, land, and way of life and are claiming it as their own. It’s a settler colonial project, and it should be called out as such.

75% of the land was granted to Jordan. Did the Jordanians steal the land from the Palestinians too?
 
I think the only real solution would be for the international community to intervene, depose the Israeli government, disarm the IOF and deploy a peacekeeping force to the area for the foreseeable future. It's clear that Israel in its current iteration can not continue to exist, and something needs to be done to stamp out Hamas that doesn't involve a literal genocide.

It's never going to happen, obviously, as long as the US remains perfectly happy to see Arabs murdered for no reason.
75% of the land was granted to Jordan. Did the Jordanians steal the land from the Palestinians too?
Oh god you're back :rolleyes:
 
I think the only real solution would be for the international community to intervene, depose the Israeli government, disarm the IOF and deploy a peacekeeping force to the area for the foreseeable future. It's clear that Israel in its current iteration can not continue to exist, and something needs to be done to stamp out Hamas that doesn't involve a literal genocide.

It's never going to happen, obviously, as long as the US remains perfectly happy to see Arabs murdered for no reason.
How do you disarm a nuclear power?