And the following paragraph? Also if we agree with this paragraph then what are we supposed to think about IDF and Settlers who killed and injured 7 or 8 times more Paletinians before this month?
Israel - Palestine Discussion | Post Respectfully | Discuss more, tweet less
- Thread starter esmufc07
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
And the following paragraph? Also if we agree with this paragraph then what are we supposed to think about IDF and Settlers who killed and injured 7 or 8 times more Paletinians before this month?
Yes I've never denied there are war crimes being committed by Israel. And I have consistently been against them.
I'm pointing out that these are not nearly as terrible as multiple other crimes that have been committed even recently, and framing them as if they are is just factually wrong. Please tell me why this isn't so.
I think the power scales were not the same at that time. By the time the holocaust happened, Nazi Germany had become pretty strong and could oppose other forces. In the current scenario it is like 80% of world's power have come together and decided it is nice to stand behind the oppressors.
You got to see the answer to that in Darfur, Rwanda, Syria, Yemen etc etc. Hundreds of thousands slaughtered, starved, butchered. But whatever. Israel kills 7000 in response to a terrorist attack - it's the fecking holocaust again lads. Give me a break.
And this does not excuse it. They are perpetrating war crimes (as did Hamas) and they should be held to account. But the extremity of the language here is ridiculous.
Throwback to Russia doing the same in Ukraine.
You denied that it was some of the worst crime committed and then shared a link that listed some of the worst crimes committed which includes Israel-palestine. You then tried to bs your way into a point because Hamas was mentioned in paragraph which is a terrible point when you consider two things up until this month the casualties count according to the UN was 6k+ palestinians vs 300+ israelis and the gap widened this month.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
And if remember correctly in August for 2023, the count was 170+ palestinians vs 30+ israelis. Now unless you believe that the side that kills more often and in greater number is the least culpable then you may want to rethink your points and the links you share.
One of the Israeli hostages from the dance party has apparently been found dead by the IDF.
Also reports she was beheaded.
Also reports she was beheaded.
You literally claimed there was going to be a mass extermination of Jews around the world the other day.
No I stand by it. In the list of 21st century war crimes, this is pretty far down. I didn't say it wasn't on the list. And Hamas are on there too.
The numbers are horrible I agree. But they back up the fact this is sadly small fry compared to some other recent horrors.
I literally did not, you're lying. I said there would be massacres. Literally 3 days later, look at Dagestan. As I said at the time, I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking great right now. Thanks for your good wishes anyway.
You realize that to the claim that this is some of the worst war crimes of the 21st century, your retort is that it's not some of the worst because it's only in the top 15(there is 15 examples in the article you shared)?
Instead of recognizing an obvious fact that is supported by a link that you chose, you went in defense mode by arguing that it wasn't at the top of the top 15 and also that people conveniently forgot a paragraph about Hamas.
Both of your retorts are wild, you are essentially willing to deny reality at all costs.
What's happened in Dagestan?
Ok, I apologise, you specifically said massacres around the world, which essentially means the same thing.
The Sinai desert will be next. As Hamas will still exist there or if they do eradicate Hamas there'll be a new one.
There are too many people that are braindead. How do you even justify to yourself the effort to go to an airport and try to determine who is jewish and if they "look" like it then you lynch them. Stay at home and be your braindead self away from society.
Unlikely, given the President of Egypt won't allow it.
Brilliant, never not spot on.
It seemed like a social media mob. People in other countries getting spun up about what's happening in the Middle East but powerless to do anything about it other than hunt for any Jews they could find.
More accurately, if he allowed it he may be overthrown.
It is literally there in the link you posted
. You even did not read it all or you just thought I hope no one read all the page.Yes, that's what I was inferring. He's obviously not going to allow a Muslim Brotherhood rooted organization to set up shop in Egypt after having overthrown the last guy from the Muslim Brotherhood to get into power.
"Israel's genocide against the Palestinians isn't nearly as bad as other genocides that have been committed recently" is one hell of a statement to make, especially while it's going on as we speak.
And "one of the worst" is relative, but not wrong, so not sure why you're taking issue with it.
Sigh. We've been through this, so go and read it. I'm not responding to everyone who erroneously thinks they've come up with a gotcha moment. Israel/Gaza is dwarfed by many other crimes this century, and the link proves it. I didn't say it wasn't a crime in itself. Good work though.It is literally there in the link you posted
It's true though. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.
Brilliant.
Although you're correct in terms of numbers, its a good idea to drop the entire line of discussion given what's happening on the ground now.
That is true, given what happened with Sisi and Morsi. Will definitely create internal problems within Egypt though and could bring a return of support for the brotherhood (within the general population) considering the majority of the Egyptian population are firmly against what Israel is doing in Gaza (having 1 mill+ Gazans in tents in the Sinai will only increase anger).
Last edited:
I mean, no offense to Dagestan but I don't think they're education system and society is quite as "modern" as ours.
It has nothing to do with education systems or modern societies. It's genuinely braindead human beings, the average human being regardless of where he is from isn't deprived of cognition which is why the vast majority of people don't act like that.
Also the same nonsense happens in "developed" countries.
Isn't what's happening in Israel by definition a holocaust?
Genuinely asking.
Not conflating it with THE Holocaust, which I think some people are doing. As that is specific to the Jewish murders by the Nazis
Genuinely asking.
Not conflating it with THE Holocaust, which I think some people are doing. As that is specific to the Jewish murders by the Nazis
Must be because of Anti-Semitism why people are so pissed of at Israel’s genocide.
I wonder what you will say if israel ends killing 100k. Where the goalposts will be
Unless I missed something Holocaust is a name, there is only one.
It synonymous with what happend in Germany and is branded as such, but it doesn't have to be used only in that context. The term itself is rooted in Greek iirc.