I'd piss my sides if Liverpool didn't qualify for it.
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In 50 years I don't think we'll really care we won the League Cup or Europa either tbh. We're a far bigger club than that. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the trophies but the League is what we have to own.
Can people imagine that in our worst 4 years in the league we won 5 trophies ? 2 charity shields, FA cup, EFL cup and Europe league ?
Liverpool has gone now 11 years winning only one trophy, Arsenal 11 years 4 trophies ( 2 cups and 2 shields ).
Even in our worst years in the league we keep the winning mentality going on. Our players are getting used to winning trophies and winning finals. This is huge for us building for next year's. We never stop winning trophies even when passing through a decline period.
If it proves anything it proves we're a real elite club.
Now all for the league next season.
Liverpool has gone now 11 years winning only one trophy, Arsenal 11 years 4 trophies ( 2 cups and 2 shields ).
Even in our worst years in the league we keep the winning mentality going on. Our players are getting used to winning trophies and winning finals. This is huge for us building for next year's. We never stop winning trophies even when passing through a decline period.
If it proves anything it proves we're a real elite club.
Now all for the league next season.
Of course we've had the better season. They are a bit ahead in their development but I believe we'll catch up quickly after this summer.
Perspective: Tottenham got spanked in Europe where if they're truly better (being winner), they would win EL over us. Last season Tottenham was exact 20 points off Chelsea. Does it mean anything now looking back? Tottenham didn't win a thing back then or now that Chelsea recovered & won the league. Ultimately winning actual trophies is harder than trying to look competitive, since to look competitive you ain't really under pressure to perform & get more freedom. What punishment for losing for Tottenham? The media still says they look promising (for what exactly? Developing their players to certain level before those moving to bigger clubs?). A team who is pressured to win would feel like hell gets loose after a defeat.
Tottenham can be said to have better PL campaign than us, but a season, no chance. We turned a sharp corner & made quite few subtle historically achievement: 1. First United manager win a trophies in his first season (actually 2 & one of that is an European trophy) 2. Complete trophy set.
At this moment, even a trophy is precious for Tottenham, let alone 2 trophies (how long since the last time they won 2 trophies in a season?). Club like Atletico didn't just pop up into top club status overnight. They started with 2 Europa League trophies. If your better season is only consisted of winning nothing while playing well, then you're doing an Arsenal aka training kit until the trainee outgrow it.
Title is a title, cup is a cup. Winning a final always counts extra especially international competition. 2nd placed team in the league on the other hand won't be remembered from the general public all that much.
Chelsea had the better season than us and that's about it. Winning two cups and qualifying for CL trumps any other team achievements including Spurs.
Thing is Tottenham's challenge for the league is a big fecking myth. They're not in the first place position for any single week of the last 2 seasons. Leicester & Chelsea always had good point cushion with Tottenham once they (Chelsea & Leicester) got on their pomp. Challenging is more like a matchday result can swing the final positions. Several times it took to last matchday to decide the champions. Both Chelsea & Leicester won the league with games in hand before the last matchday. The supposed challenge from Tottenham is pure wishful thinking from pundits who try to sell the competitive PL brand.
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Disagree. SAF's first FA Cup, first European Cup; the Cup Winner's Cup were much more memorable than say the 2004-2005. There have been quite many posters have share same opinion with me that they found it hard to recall the season as a whole in 2004-2005, and that team is still very strong. I can say that team is better & more entertaining as a whole than even our team nowadays.
By what parameters did you come to this conclusion? We have played 19 more games than Chelsea this year - that's half of the PL games. While we had to shop & change all the time, Chelsea had a clean bill of health for most parts of the season. Considering the circumstances, United would have had a better season if Chelsea somehow fail to win the FA cup.
Spurs played in the same competition. Can you remind us how they fared?
Put it this way. If we'd finished 2nd, as well as winning the EFL Cup and Europa League, would you all feel much better about the season? For me, not much.
Yeah, Klopp is a clown (he is) for saying that 4th feels like a trophy but at the same time it's almighty Spuds because they're second winning as fecking many trophies as Klopp and his circus.
Sort your shit out guys. The inexplicable love for Spurs and Poch here is fecking sickening, vomit inducing stuff.
As for 'challenging for the title', how many weeks have they spent in the 1st place? They've finished 10 points behind last season, in a third fecking place in a two horse race; 7 points this season. Top four matters only because it gets you to the CL, it doesn't matter if you've finished 2nd, 3rd or 4th, you haven't won shit. Were you guys congratulating ourselves when we've finished on par with points with City, having lost on GD?
Sort your shit out guys. The inexplicable love for Spurs and Poch here is fecking sickening, vomit inducing stuff.
As for 'challenging for the title', how many weeks have they spent in the 1st place? They've finished 10 points behind last season, in a third fecking place in a two horse race; 7 points this season. Top four matters only because it gets you to the CL, it doesn't matter if you've finished 2nd, 3rd or 4th, you haven't won shit. Were you guys congratulating ourselves when we've finished on par with points with City, having lost on GD?
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Jose was absolutely right, it feels alot lot better than 2nd 3rd and finishing fourth. A trophy and of course a C.L football.
In many ways it would be more disappointing
especially if we'd actually been in the race, which Spurs never were.Might have enjoyed the journey more, more of the walks home from Old Trafford too, and would be more optimistic going into next season, but would make no difference to how I'll look back on the season in a month or a year's time, i.e. Highly successful.
This, Spurs were just some nuisance coming from distance for both but never were a direct threat for them. Leicester and Chelsea won the league comfortably. It's just us trying to convince ourselves there were a title challenge.
Fact is last 3 years title challenge was zero. It was one team dominating the first position most of the league and other teams struggling on the other positions. The competition on 4th in last 3 seasons were much stronger than that on first place because challenge for first place was non-existent.
How can anyone say Spurs had a better season than us?
they won diddly squat.
they won diddly squat.
The only one in a position to win the title this season was Chelsea. Tottenham's 2nd place is completely meaningless because they were never in a position to challenge and bottled any chance they had to challenge. In the last 3 seasons, Chelsea (twice) and Leicester walked the league without much competition in the latter stages of the season.
Most fans are disconnected from the game; they think that playing 'good' football means you are closer to winning titles. There is only one way to win the title and that is to play winning football. Excellence in any area of expertise requires the right mentality, you need to have conviction in your own ability and respond to adversity.
Spurs are actually in a bad position because they are playing in Wembley next season, and they had a very good chance to win the league in the last 2 seasons but never challenged. I expect them to struggle next season but make the top 4 as long as they can keep most of their players.
Most fans are disconnected from the game; they think that playing 'good' football means you are closer to winning titles. There is only one way to win the title and that is to play winning football. Excellence in any area of expertise requires the right mentality, you need to have conviction in your own ability and respond to adversity.
Spurs are actually in a bad position because they are playing in Wembley next season, and they had a very good chance to win the league in the last 2 seasons but never challenged. I expect them to struggle next season but make the top 4 as long as they can keep most of their players.
Better than City, Pool, and Arsenal.
Of course. We won trophies, they didn't!
You have to remember that finishing second in the league is being a second place loser. There is no trophies, medals or glory in finishing 2nd/3rd/4th. You either win the competition that's in front of you or lose it.
You have to remember that finishing second in the league is being a second place loser. There is no trophies, medals or glory in finishing 2nd/3rd/4th. You either win the competition that's in front of you or lose it.
You what? Chelsea finished third that season. Benitez deserved much more credit than he's given than what he's shown by Chelsea. He finished third with Chelsea so he's not as good as us winning the title but was definitely more accomplished when compare to City that season.
What set that season back for Chelsea was that they began the campaign as CL champion, but ended up relegated to EL midway in the season. Winning EL was a last resort for them. It didn't offer what they initially wanted nor they need it. Still they were regarded quite good back then if you recall how similar story about them to complete the 3 European trophies set.
We're in this EL campaign for the start. Winning EL means we grow out EL eventual by the most convincing way = winning EL.
Same boat. Would feel like hell losing title challenge. In Tottenham situation, it would help feeling less nervy for EL final since there is less punishment (losing CL qualification for next season), but that's it.In many ways it would be more disappointing
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I loved this season. We played the most games of any English team and won the most trophies. To be completely honest I wouldn't want to trade our achievements for any other team, Chelsea included.
Well a scouse friend of mine said, that we had a better season than 18 other sides in the prem. He'd argue only chelsea would not trade places with us now the dust has settled on the season.
And he is of course right. Probaly if asked at the start of the season we were offered the league or what we won? The vast majority would take title number 21. The only thing that could of bettered our season if we were not to win the league would be, and the fa cup/or the fa cup and the europa.
So all in all, we are happier than most
And he is of course right. Probaly if asked at the start of the season we were offered the league or what we won? The vast majority would take title number 21. The only thing that could of bettered our season if we were not to win the league would be, and the fa cup/or the fa cup and the europa.
So all in all, we are happier than most
Dont really care. Winning so little with so much should never be celebrated. We're no closer to where we should be as a club than van gaal's first season.
Well, we didn't win anything in Van Gaal's first season and we won two trophies this season. On top of that we've played much better football overall. Really the only reason Van Gaal got us to 4th in that season is that the league was weak. Every decent team has strengthened considerably since then. In that season we ended with 70 points - in this season we ended with 69, having played many more games, playing better football, winning two trophies and pretty much throwing away the last 4 games because they didn't matter.
Of course we've had a better season than everyone bar Chelsea.
For all Spurs' good football they still won feck all. Failed miserably in the CL, failed in the EL. Were the better team against Chelsea in the FA Cup yet still managed to bottle it. What the feck does finishing second mean when you're ultimately a toothless team when it matters? In few years time no one will remember them, and who the feck knows what will happen in football. Its about here and now and now we've won 2 trophies.
Just to add, when Liverpool won in Istanbul, they were lucky as feck in the Champions League and seriously shite in the league that season but does anyone care? Not a fecking bit! Name on the trophy, thats all that matters. You ask any fan in Stockholm on the piss tonight celebrating a trophy what they'd rather have? A night that you'll remember forever or getting 86 points and still losing the fecking league?
For all Spurs' good football they still won feck all. Failed miserably in the CL, failed in the EL. Were the better team against Chelsea in the FA Cup yet still managed to bottle it. What the feck does finishing second mean when you're ultimately a toothless team when it matters? In few years time no one will remember them, and who the feck knows what will happen in football. Its about here and now and now we've won 2 trophies.
Just to add, when Liverpool won in Istanbul, they were lucky as feck in the Champions League and seriously shite in the league that season but does anyone care? Not a fecking bit! Name on the trophy, thats all that matters. You ask any fan in Stockholm on the piss tonight celebrating a trophy what they'd rather have? A night that you'll remember forever or getting 86 points and still losing the fecking league?
The league is by far the most important thing in my book. And people like to downplay finishing in the top 4 but, not qualifying for the CL through league position means not only did you not win the title you did not come close to challenging for it which is unacceptable for a side like Manchester United. I do not care what else we did being this far from the title is poor.
For the life of me, I'll never understand how can it feel good to finish 2nd/3rd/4th/any other spot other than first. How can it feel good to be a loser? You either win the league or not win the league. No one will give a shit 20 years from now who finished 2nd or 3rd.
The only team that has had a better season is Chelsea. Second or sixth in the league, both win nothing. Europa League and League Cup are actual trophies.
I love how people are taking a quote from Talladega Nights so seriously.
Coming 2nd and 4th is great by Spurs and Liverpools standards.
By Manchester United standards, that is not acceptable. When LVG came fourth in his first season, I was like "Meh, whatever." I was gutted we went out to Arsenal in the FA Cup that season.
Winning trophies is what footballs all about and Mourinho has added 3 to the cabinet this season along with CL qualification so anybody who thinks coming runners up is better than our season is a moron.
By Manchester United standards, that is not acceptable. When LVG came fourth in his first season, I was like "Meh, whatever." I was gutted we went out to Arsenal in the FA Cup that season.
Winning trophies is what footballs all about and Mourinho has added 3 to the cabinet this season along with CL qualification so anybody who thinks coming runners up is better than our season is a moron.
Finishing 6th is also not our standards.
Oh and we are counting the Community Shield now?
Of course. History remembers trophies not positions. The same as how the current Spurs side will be forgotten in time if they do not win anything.
A lot of teams played better football than us. But we had the better season, since we reached two out of three targets.
( ) Win the premier league
(x) Win a big title
(x) Reach the Champions league
( ) Win the premier league
(x) Win a big title
(x) Reach the Champions league
Meh, I wouldn't say so; I guess some of you would be happy to finish third in the CL group next year for a chance to win a trophy? Don't understand the logic that not being good enough to compete for the CL is somehow better if you win a trophy they are too good for.
But anyway, today is a good day for you! Enjoy the win, was well deserved and got CL qualification, something that was essential. I'm already excited about next season, shame it's so far away.
But anyway, today is a good day for you! Enjoy the win, was well deserved and got CL qualification, something that was essential. I'm already excited about next season, shame it's so far away.
Of course we have!
Not sure how it is even debatable. We have achieved what City, Spurs have and done it by winning a trophy. We are ahead of Liverpool as they qualified for qualifiers, we qualified for group stages.
We have won 2 trophies, one which takes us to CL. So without any doubt we had better season than any team except Chelsea.
We have won 2 trophies, one which takes us to CL. So without any doubt we had better season than any team except Chelsea.
Lets put it this way. We WON the tournament which you bottled. We achieved whatever you achieved this season i.e. UCL qualification. We won 2 more trophies than you. You are making it sound like we gave up on league from game week #1 so that we could win EL. Winning mentality is built when you actually win things.